Game of Thrones Thread

[nc0gnet0]

Then once again your response makes no sense as I specifically said he fucked up his alleged redemption arc.

Responding with shit that has nothing to do with the redemption arc you claimed he was on would be odd but I guess after telling me for 2 years I was wrong, you need something to hold on to.

Question? Do you still think Jamie is on a redemption arc?

Just as I expected, you never fail to disappoint, Moving the goal posts again. As for jamies redemption arc, we don't know his motivations yet. is it to save the woman that just hired someone to kill him, or to kill her?

 

[remydat]

I guess Jaime saved a lot of lives at River Run as well.

Not 1/2 a million as claimed. Really dont know what he is talking about at this point.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Not 1/2 a million as claimed. Really dont know what he is talking about at this point.

Add them all up over the course of 8 seasons, and.....eh, who the hell cares at this point?

 

[remydat]

Senor Vortex clearly stated that a never to be born child was the best the Lannisters had to offer. Now I am quite sure he will try to move the goal posts and say he was only referring to what has transpired in the show, but the statement was clearly made in totality. With that in mind, you have to factor in the saving of 1/2 million innocents. And for all we know, the show could be going full circle with him now killing Cersei to prevent her from blowing up KL.

With respect to Jamie I clearly referenced his supposed redemptiom so yeah that is what I was referring to. Otherwise I would not have noted his alleged redemption arc.

 

[remydat]

Just as I expected, you never fail to disappoint, Moving the goal posts again. As for jamies redemption arc, we don't know his motivations yet. is it to save the woman that just hired someone to kill him, or to kill her?

How can I be moving goalposts when I referenced his alleged redemption arc in my original post? I would think my comments regarding Jamie in particular would give an indication of my intent. I was making fun of his garbage redemption arc that never came to be. You know this as we have argued about it for years. You just sidestepped it here because you look to have lost the argument.

Your argument for redemption previously was his fighting the undead. That was a massive dud. He did nothing of significance.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

The way the NK was used from whatever season he began to the end of Season 7 was great (however, a strong argument could be made that his ice javelin throwing and the taking down the wall was kind of hokey). That Arya killed him with the Catspaw dagger was fantastic. The way the NK was used, overall, in the Battle of Winterfell was shitty.

Night King and his army were a factor from the very first episode onwards. It's what Ned's "Winter is Coming" was all about and Nan's stories. The threat was present through the show's entire history. How you can hate on his javelin throw, IDK, it was a thing of beauty. A level of talent bears' fans have never witnessed at QB.

Much time was spent on the history of it all, then the stare downs with Jon. FFS, he even managed to enter Bran's vision and mark him. He walked through fire...and then gets taken out by a little girl who was all kinds of fucked up in the head. He was the most bad ass villain right up to that point. The culmination needed to be more thought out...more epic as in a long sword fight and a perfect plan derived to take him out. Soulless Bran didn't know what the **** would work to stop him at that moment and then we're to believe this wayward child just happened to stab him with the weapon needed in the exact same spot as needed. C'mon, man, what kind of stupid concocted bullshit is that?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I guess Jaime saved a lot of lives at River Run as well.

Jaime will die cause he was a bad dad. You can talk about he saved this many or that many but the fuckin' fact of the matter is he had 3 kids and couldn't save a damn single one of them.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

 

[number51]

Jon sitting on the throne seems to be a betrayal of the entire concept of this show.

The opposite of that. From the start Jon has done everything to avoid power, but has always accepted power when it was for the best. Jon reluctantly taking the throne would be completely consistent with his characters behavior throughout the series.

As king he would fail, all his good intentions would not serve him well, this "I cannot tell a lie" shit does not make for a good politician.

 

[Ares]

The opposite of that. From the start Jon has done everything to avoid power, but has always accepted power when it was for the best. Jon reluctantly taking the throne would be completely consistent with his characters behavior throughout the series.

As king he would fail, all his good intentions would not serve him well, this "I cannot tell a lie" shit does not make for a good politician.

Would he fail, though?

Robert Baratheon was King of an at-peace Westeros for like 20 years, wasn't he?

He is arguably a much bigger idiot than Jon.

If surrounded by Varys and his slimey ilk who deal with the dark things behind his back, he might do ok for a few decades.

If he becomes King, the Lannisters are done.... the Frey's are already dead.... Little Finger is dead..... Varys may also be dead.... there wouldn't be an immediate threat to his reign.

 

[number51]

Would he fail, though?

Robert Baratheon was King of an at-peace Westeros for like 20 years, wasn't he?

He is arguably a much bigger idiot than Jon.

If surrounded by Varys and his slimey ilk who deal with the dark things behind his back, he might do ok for a few decades.

If he becomes King, the Lannisters are done.... the Frey's are already dead.... Little Finger is dead..... Varys may also be dead.... there wouldn't be an immediate threat to his reign.

Good points, being a bad politician isn't a huge stumbling block when you don't have to get elected. He's such a boy scout I just don't see him making tough decisions. Robert was dope but he was also a badass who gave zero fucks about about tough decisions like ordering the assassination of a baby girl, Jon could never push that button.

 

[Ares]

Good points, being a bad politician isn't a huge stumbling block when you don't have to get elected. He's such a boy scout I just don't see him making tough decisions. Robert was dope but he was also a badass who gave zero fucks about about tough decisions like ordering the assassination of a baby girl, Jon could never push that button.

Very true, but counterpoint would be that Jon is able to see and solve problems in ways other leaders refuse to even contemplate.

Such as letting the Wildlings thru the wall in a bid to ally with them against the Wights, but it paid off when he needed the help against the Boltons as well.

Jon might not have it in him to order the assassination of a child, but he might have a solution that doesn't require such means.

No doubt the boy scout thing can hurt you, but Ned Stark was the same and he made for a very effective Warden of the North and was making an effective Hand of the King until the backstabbing started.

EDIT: I would also say, were Jon in Robert's position back in Season 1, he would have done what Ned wanted to do.... let it go... if she grows up and crosses the sea to challenge you, then you fight her for the throne. I am trying to think up an analogous scenario where Jon would need to make a sticky decision.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Aaron Rodgers will appear on GOT this Sunday. Do I even fucking watch considering how bad this season has been and now I have to deal with that arrogant shit head

 

[Globetrotter]

 

[Warrior Spirit]

There have been no less than 5 different Aegon Targaryens to sit on the Iron Throne and they covered a total of 105 years of ruling from it so, yeah, if this story was meant to make any sense, Jon is the obvious choice.

Not really understanding the argument that he couldn't make the tough decisions like ordering a girl to be killed cause of her name. Really?...tough decision? More like a chicken shit move and a failed mission anyway.

During the show's course, we haven't seen a ruler on the Iron Throne that did much of anything other than be stupid or terrorize. Robert brought in Ned as his hand so he didn't have to concern himself with any of that political stuff and just stay drunk while whoring and hunting. Then you had the 2 stupid, born of incest, Lannister kids who were just puppets. Joffrey was just a bratty psychopath and Tommen a pussy whipped boy who could think of nothing else but that pussy.

 

[nc0gnet0]

With respect to Jamie I clearly referenced his supposed redemptiom so yeah that is what I was referring to. Otherwise I would not have noted his alleged redemption arc.

Oh please..........

"
Tywin - Murdered by his own son that he hated.

Tyrion - The only sensible one in the bunch but still stupid enough to think he can win his psycho sister over.

Jamie - Fucked up his alleged redemption arc because he wants to **** his sister.

Cersei - Drives everyone who loves her away including the brother she is fucking and her own son who would rather murder himself rather than have her as a mother.

Joffery - Piece of shit product of incest that was so disliked that people celebrated when he died horribly.

Myrcella - Mother is so hated that the place she thinks of as home ends up poisoning her.

Tommen - Good lad so despises the horror that is his mother that as noted above he happily murders himself rather than continue on as a Lannister.

Unborn Lannister Baby - Will mercifully be spared growing up in this terrible piece of shit family when Cersei hopefully dies. The irony is by virtue of not being born and raised in this family, immediately becomes the best Lannister of the bunch by default.

In short, pretty sad when your never to be born child represents the best your family has to offer.


That statement clearly points to his whole life, just not what we have seen in 8 seasons, and even then, we still learned about it in the show, so STFU about that nonsense. Your a real piece of work.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I do not get Tyrion's reference about Cersei loving her children. The Imp has turned into a mental midget thinking the soulless sister that wants him dead can be reasoned with or even has a redeemable quality at all. Has she ever done anything with her kids but use them to empower herself? Her and Jaime likely the worst parents in the history of Westeros.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Ser Pounce will be back.

 

[remydat]

Oh please..........

"
Tywin - Murdered by his own son that he hated.

Tyrion - The only sensible one in the bunch but still stupid enough to think he can win his psycho sister over.

Jamie - Fucked up his alleged redemption arc because he wants to **** his sister.

Cersei - Drives everyone who loves her away including the brother she is fucking and her own son who would rather murder himself rather than have her as a mother.

Joffery - Piece of shit product of incest that was so disliked that people celebrated when he died horribly.

Myrcella - Mother is so hated that the place she thinks of as home ends up poisoning her.

Tommen - Good lad so despises the horror that is his mother that as noted above he happily murders himself rather than continue on as a Lannister.

Unborn Lannister Baby - Will mercifully be spared growing up in this terrible piece of shit family when Cersei hopefully dies. The irony is by virtue of not being born and raised in this family, immediately becomes the best Lannister of the bunch by default.

In short, pretty sad when your never to be born child represents the best your family has to offer.


That statement clearly points to his whole life, just not what we have seen in 8 seasons, and even then, we still learned about it in the show, so STFU about that nonsense. Your a real piece of work.

Jamie - Fucked up his alleged redemption arc because he wants to **** his sister.




See the reference to redemption next to sentence that begins with Jamie? Yeah that is what I was referring to. I love how you ignore the section titled Jamie to then decide what I meant by a sentence that does not even refer to Jamie by name.

World would have been better off if Jamie was never born. Cersei probably wouldnt be such a villainous ***** and his shitty son would not have existed.

So yeah I stand by my statement. Cersei unborn is the best Lannister. The same way Jammie killed the mad king he could have killed Cersei or Joffery but he didnt because he is a cowardly **** when it comes to family. So all the deaths and misery they caused are on him. If you want to credit him for acting against the Mad King then he gets discredited for not acting against his murderous sister and son. If he were any kind of man, he would have put Cersei and his idiot sun in check a long time ago.

 

[number51]

Not really understanding the argument that he couldn't make the tough decisions like ordering a girl to be killed cause of her name. Really?...tough decision? More like a chicken shit move and a failed mission anyway.

WTF? Let me see if I can help you out.

Robert ordered Dany and her brother be assassinated to wipe out the Targ bloodline, a smart political move that if successful would have stopped all this before it started.

I guess you are implying it was not a tough decision, that's pretty fucking weird. My point is that Jon is too much of a boy scout to make what most humans would consider a tough decision, like murdering children. I guess your warrior spirit would make that decision easy for you.