Game of Thrones Thread

[payton 34ever]

Aaron Rodgers will appear on GOT this Sunday. Do I even fucking watch considering how bad this season has been and now I have to deal with that arrogant shit head

Please tell me you're fucking joking...

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Please tell me you're fucking joking...

I wish.

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[Warrior Spirit]

WTF? Let me see if I can help you out.

Robert ordered Dany and her brother be assassinated to wipe out the Targ bloodline, a smart political move that if successful would have stopped all this before it started.

I guess you are implying it was not a tough decision, that's pretty fucking weird. My point is that Jon is too much of a boy scout to make what most humans would consider a tough decision, like murdering children. I guess your warrior spirit would make that decision easy for you.

Can see why this first Non-Targ to sit on the Iron Throne would want to wipe out remaining Targs after their 280 years of Iron Throne rule, being a fat coward. But as Ned said the threat wasn't exactly imminent and, as such, unnecessary. Also, any "smart political move" could only be considered smart if it was actually carried out successfully which it was not. Also, not at all a tough decision. Let's be honest, it's a preemptive strike at a prone target to eliminate any possibility of a threat in the future. Done more out of fear of what could come. When judging the fat man as a King, we can call on Tywin Lannister's conversation with the boy King to be, Tommen. Tywin said during his 17 year rule, Robert only attended 3 meetings of his own council. Wasn't exactly focused on making "tough decisions", was he?

Jon too much of a boy scout or just too much integrity and human decency as compared to the likes of psycho bastard Joffrey or his immoral mother? King Jaehaerys Targaryen had the longest reign, by far, of all who ever ruled. He was known to be peaceful, honorable and a just ruler... in other words for you to understand, a boy scout.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I wish.

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The article still refers to it as just a rumor but if he is in it, let's hope his cameo appearance is just long enough to see him beheaded.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Jamie - Fucked up his alleged redemption arc because he wants to **** his sister.




See the reference to redemption next to sentence that begins with Jamie? Yeah that is what I was referring to. I love how you ignore the section titled Jamie to then decide what I meant by a sentence that does not even refer to Jamie by name.

World would have been better off if Jamie was never born. Cersei probably wouldnt be such a villainous ***** and his shitty son would not have existed.

So yeah I stand by my statement. Cersei unborn is the best Lannister. The same way Jammie killed the mad king he could have killed Cersei or Joffery but he didnt because he is a cowardly **** when it comes to family. So all the deaths and misery they caused are on him. If you want to credit him for acting against the Mad King then he gets discredited for not acting against his murderous sister and son. If he were any kind of man, he would have put Cersei and his idiot sun in check a long time ago.

I bore with you. An unborn child is more valuable than someone that saves 1/2 million people. got it. Tell that to the 1/2 million people and there millions of descendants. What a Special person.

 

[nc0gnet0]

This is an well though out interesting read.

How Lord of the Rings Predicted Jon Snow and Daenerys’s Bittersweet Fate

George R.R. Martin has long said how much he‘s inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien. The final episode of Game of Thrones proved it.

www.vanityfair.com

Kinda explains what D & D are/might trying to do (while failing miserably)

 

[remydat]

I bore with you. An unborn child is more valuable than someone that saves 1/2 million people. got it. Tell that to the 1/2 million people and there millions of descendants. What a Special person.

You don't know how many people were saved nor do you know how many people the Lannisters were responsible for killing. We also don't know if Jamie were not there if someone else would have stopped the Mad King.

So what we have is a cowardly murderous asshole whose is directly and indirectly responsible for countless deaths who also saved countless people as well. You seem to have this weird idea that if someone kills a bunch of people but then saves a bunch of people that somehow human lives are interchangeable. They are not.

Jamie is not a good person. He said so himself. You should stop trying to white knight for him. Are you Brienne? You have been claiming this redemption arc for years now and seem incapable of admitting you were fooled. The dude did jack shit against the Undead. Should have just stayed in Kings Landing with his sister/lover.

 

[nc0gnet0]

You don't know how many people were saved nor do you know how many people the Lannisters were responsible for killing. We also don't know if Jamie were not there if someone else would have stopped the Mad King.

So what we have is a cowardly murderous asshole whose is directly and indirectly responsible for countless deaths who also saved countless people as well. You seem to have this weird idea that if someone kills a bunch of people but then saves a bunch of people that somehow human lives are interchangeable. They are not.

Jamie is not a good person. He said so himself. You should stop trying to white knight for him. Are you Brienne? You have been claiming this redemption arc for years now and seem incapable of admitting you were fooled.

yawn. your confusing incapable of admitting I was wrong with not doing so until proven wrong. Not surprised though. Who has killed more people, Jon Snow or jamie? Wasn't Jon's dishonesty directly responsible for Ygritte's death?

 

[remydat]

yawn. your confusing incapable of admitting I was wrong with not doing so until proven wrong. Not surprised though. Who has killed more people, Jon Snow or jamie? Wasn't Jon's dishonesty directly responsible for Ygritte's death?

You were already proven wrong when Jamie admitted he was not a good person as that was the criteria you set for redemption. This idea that the bad guy becomes a good guy. Well sorry, Jamie is not a good guy. Said so himself. Said he would have murdered every man, woman and child in Riverrun for Cersei.

If Jon stands by and does nothing for years while Dany engages in a rein of terror then he will be a cowardly **** like Jamie. Until then, only Jamie has said that he will commit mass murder as long as he is allowed to **** his sister. Unlike you I am not in love with a character where I need to defend their horrific deeds. Don't recall ever claiming Jon was the greatest thing since sliced bread so your whataboutism regarding Jon is just dumb.

Give it up Brienne er Ncog, Jamie isn't worth the effort. Even if he does kill Cersei, he is still not a good man. Too little, too late.

 

[number51]

Can see why this first Non-Targ to sit on the Iron Throne would want to wipe out remaining Targs after their 280 years of Iron Throne rule, being a fat coward. But as Ned said the threat wasn't exactly imminent and, as such, unnecessary. Also, any "smart political move" could only be considered smart if it was actually carried out successfully which it was not. Also, not at all a tough decision. Let's be honest, it's a preemptive strike at a prone target to eliminate any possibility of a threat in the future. Done more out of fear of what could come. When judging the fat man as a King, we can call on Tywin Lannister's conversation with the boy King to be, Tommen. Tywin said during his 17 year rule, Robert only attended 3 meetings of his own council. Wasn't exactly focused on making "tough decisions", was he?

Jon too much of a boy scout or just too much integrity and human decency as compared to the likes of psycho bastard Joffrey or his immoral mother? King Jaehaerys Targaryen had the longest reign, by far, of all who ever ruled. He was known to be peaceful, honorable and a just ruler... in other words for you to understand, a boy scout.

Holy shit, you are all over the place on this!

Robert initially wanted the remaining Targ's killed when they were children. The discussion you reference with Ned took place in S1 when adult Dany was about to marry a Kahl and have access to an army, much more immanent.

You seem to be confused regarding the idea to kill the babies, was it a good idea or a bad idea?

"Can see why this first Non-Targ to sit on the Iron Throne would want to wipe out remaining Targs" So you think it was a good idea. But.

"any "smart political move" could only be considered smart if it was actually carried out successfully" So now you you think it was a bad idea.

And no, a plan has to be judged to be either a good or bad idea, before any attempt is made to execute it. Because the assassination attempt failed does not change the fact that it was a good idea, poorly executed (so to speak).

@Ares and I had already agreed Robert was an idiot, but he was a badass and he absolutely did make difficult decisions. Missing small council meetings, lol, talking about tax rates, Robert was just smart enough to skip that BS and go get drunk and bang some whores, solid decision IMO.

Now you want to compare Jon to Joffrey, sorry man, you lost me. You have taken a rather simple straightforward idea and Frankensteined the **** out of it, and I still have no idea what you are talking about.

Jon is too much of a boy scout to make hard decisions. He may get the chance to prove me wrong.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Holy shit, you are all over the place on this!

Robert initially wanted the remaining Targ's killed when they were children. The discussion you reference with Ned took place in S1 when adult Dany was about to marry a Kahl and have access to an army, much more immanent.

You seem to be confused regarding the idea to kill the babies, was it a good idea or a bad idea?

"Can see why this first Non-Targ to sit on the Iron Throne would want to wipe out remaining Targs" So you think it was a good idea. But.

"any "smart political move" could only be considered smart if it was actually carried out successfully" So now you you think it was a bad idea.

And no, a plan has to be judged to be either a good or bad idea, before any attempt is made to execute it. Because the assassination attempt failed does not change the fact that it was a good idea, poorly executed (so to speak).

@Ares and I had already agreed Robert was an idiot, but he was a badass and he absolutely did make difficult decisions. Missing small council meetings, lol, talking about tax rates, Robert was just smart enough to skip that BS and go get drunk and bang some whores, solid decision IMO.

Now you want to compare Jon to Joffrey, sorry man, you lost me. You have taken a rather simple straightforward idea and Frankensteined the **** out of it, and I still have no idea what you are talking about.

Jon is too much of a boy scout to make hard decisions. He may get the chance to prove me wrong.

All over the place? Not at all. Was it a tough decision? NO Did Robert make lots of tough decisions? NO Was he a fat lazy drunk? YES Actually said can see why the first non-Targ ruler who was a coward would see it as necessary. Context is everything. And yeah, I know he took 2 shots at it. 0-2 on tough decisions.

Robert didn't ignore meetings cause he was smart. He missed them cause he didn't care about his duties and would rather get drunk, whore and hunt. And anything that required thought was overbearing for the brain dead ****. That's why he got Ned to do his job so how you can thus make him out to be a good King making tough decisions is beyond me. He was never portrayed in that manner. No logic there. We're talking about a Special person here who believed he had 3 kids with a wife he never fucked.

A well thought out plan tends to be most successful. If not successful, likely wasn't well thought out. Kinda like Cersei's plan to have her 2 brothers killed. It wasn't at all well thought out so it wasn't at all successful.

Jon need not prove you wrong. King Jaehaerys, his great grandfather, already did as did many others who had the same "boy scout" qualities you speak of and yet ruled succesfully. A man who makes allies of enemies tends not to be left with many enemies at all. That's a good thing for a ruler.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Wasn't Jon's dishonesty directly responsible for Ygritte's death?

No, I think her having an arrow pointed his way during an attack on Castle Black had much more to do with it. She was taken out before she could take that shot. Didn't she shoot him with 3 arrows a while before that too? She can play the scorned lover but she knew what Jon was doing and had to do.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

You were already proven wrong when Jamie admitted he was not a good person as that was the criteria you set for redemption. This idea that the bad guy becomes a good guy. Well sorry, Jamie is not a good guy. Said so himself. Said he would have murdered every man, woman and child in Riverrun for Cersei.

If Jon stands by and does nothing for years while Dany engages in a rein of terror then he will be a cowardly **** like Jamie. Until then, only Jamie has said that he will commit mass murder as long as he is allowed to **** his sister. Unlike you I am not in love with a character where I need to defend their horrific deeds. Don't recall ever claiming Jon was the greatest thing since sliced bread so your whataboutism regarding Jon is just dumb.

Give it up Brienne er Ncog, Jamie isn't worth the effort. Even if he does kill Cersei, he is still not a good man. Too little, too late.

That's not him.

 

[number51]

Robert didn't ignore meetings cause he was smart. He missed them cause he didn't care about his duties and would rather get drunk, whore and hunt.

I will exit this bizarre debate with the undeniable fact that going to a budget meeting is decidedly worse than getting drunk and fucking, that is the very definition of smart. King Bobby was an idiot, but he was smart enough to know drunk fucking > budget meetings.

Back on topic, Jon is a boy scout, not necessarely a faverable trait in a king, you want a king with a bit of ruthless in him.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

King Bobby was an idiot

And an idiot doesn't make smart, tough decisions

Back on topic, Jon is a boy scout, not necessarely a faverable trait in a king, you want a king with a bit of ruthless in him.

He can do that. Ask Olly, I think he'll know, as would all 3 of his fellow traitors. There's others who would get the point too, if ya know what I mean. Janos Slynt begged Jon for mercy and got none. Jon's even made the tough decision to shoot an arrow through the heart of a King.

 

[number51]

And an idiot doesn't make smart, tough decisions
He can do that. Ask Olly, I think he'll know, as would all 3 of his fellow traitors. There's others who would get the point too, if ya know what I mean. Janos Slynt begged Jon for mercy and got none. Jon's even made the tough decision to shoot an arrow through the heart of a King.

King Bobby was an idiot, but he was smart enough to know drunk fucking > budget meetings.

Jon is a boy scout, killing the guys that killed him is hardly ruthless. Move on, I'm certain there are many other stupid points to be made.

 

[ijustposthere]

To tag on to this, over the years how many programs have you stopped watching because...bad? Do you keep watching and complain or move on? Asking for a friend.

Dexter and the Walking Dead are the two that come to mind.

GoT is taking a shit with like, 4 episodes left after 8 seasons of excellent TV. It's dumb to expect people to bail at this point. Everyone knows when the finish line is, and it's 2 weeks from now. It's not like we're all in season 3 and it's going to absolute shit with no end in sight.

51's argument, such as it is, is pretty dumb, and overly hyperbolic.

I watched Dexter to the end, even though the final 3 seasons were absolute shit. Showtime completely betrayed the character, and supposedly wouldn't let the show finish the way one of the producers wanted it to. They wouldn't let Dexter die, he had to live. I stopped watching the walking dead tho. I'm not putting GoT in the level of Dexter fail, but the last two seasons after running out of material have been subpar, and I'm afraid we're going to get a shit ending for what was once competing for one of the greatest TV shows ever.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Jon is a boy scout, killing the guys that killed him is hardly ruthless. Move on, I'm certain there are many other stupid points to be made.

Seems like you be making the stupid point while thinking those who killed him were the only ones he put to death.

 

[ijustposthere]

The way the NK was used from whatever season he began to the end of Season 7 was great (however, a strong argument could be made that his ice javelin throwing and the taking down the wall was kind of hokey). That Arya killed him with the Catspaw dagger was fantastic. The way the NK was used, overall, in the Battle of Winterfell was shitty.

They should've given us the Jon Snow/NK battle. I actually love the way NK was defeated by Arya. It was only unsatisfying because he never actually fought. That was all they had to do.

 

[nc0gnet0]

You were already proven wrong when Jamie admitted he was not a good person as that was the criteria you set for redemption. This idea that the bad guy becomes a good guy. Well sorry, Jamie is not a good guy. Said so himself. Said he would have murdered every man, woman and child in Riverrun for Cersei.

If Jon stands by and does nothing for years while Dany engages in a rein of terror then he will be a cowardly **** like Jamie. Until then, only Jamie has said that he will commit mass murder as long as he is allowed to **** his sister. Unlike you I am not in love with a character where I need to defend their horrific deeds. Don't recall ever claiming Jon was the greatest thing since sliced bread so your whataboutism regarding Jon is just dumb.

Give it up Brienne er Ncog, Jamie isn't worth the effort. Even if he does kill Cersei, he is still not a good man. Too little, too late.

Yawn, he told her that so she wouldn't follow him, etc etc. Seen that tired old troupe numerous times. No shock value in Jamie killing Cersei if you don't believe he still lovers her, now is there? Or haven't you figured that out yet?