Garza isn't as bad as you think

[Capt. Serious]

Garza one of the best pitchers in MLB?

CO high? :lol:

 

[Jntg4]

Garza one of the best pitchers in MLB?

CO high? :lol:

He has the best FIP in the Majors, he's a true ace.

 

[AddisonStation]

ok now you see what im saying. phew.

I didn't realize you were talking about it being a black and white stat. I guess my point was that its very bland stat.

Are those Homers hit always the pitchers fault? No, but they count in FIP.

RedBalcony > Home Run off Canseco`s Head

YouTube - Curtis Granderson Inside The Park Homerun

etc.

So HR shouldn't count then either I presume? The pitcher couldn't control either of the two I posted. :shrug:

This is a stretch.

 

[Jntg4]

I didn't realize you were talking about it being a black and white stat. I guess my point was that its very bland stat.



This is a stretch.

Is it? I'm pretty sure those all go into FIP as an extra 13/IP. They have the same affect as any other homer. Know what you mean though.

 

[AddisonStation]

He has the best FIP in the Majors, he's a true ace.

Is it good to strikeout a high rate of batters? Yes.

Is it good to limit walks? Yes.

Is it good to keep the ball in the park? Yes.

 

[Jntg4]

Is it good to strikeout a high rate of batters? Yes.

Is it good to limit walks? Yes.

Is it good to keep the ball in the park? Yes.

But does that make him Roy Halladay? No.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The specific statistic BA does not have a flaw. Which has nothing to do with my opinion on BA as a evaluation point.

The simple mathmatics behind BA, is as basic of a statistic you are going to find.

CO has no idea what I am trying to say, I dont expect him to.



for one, stop stating in each post how you would "love to hear this" you sound like a fucking 12 year old.

Again, the use of the word statistic is used incorrectly, it is a fact that projections, what ifs, Coulda woulda shoulda are not considered what I learned in school as a statistic which was my minor.

They are not 100% known to be true, that is why they cannot be called statistics.

How does Batting Average not have a flaw? It gives walks absolutely no credit at all. It also counts a homerun and a single the same. Are you telling me that a homerun and a single are equal?

What I am gathering here is that there is math behind BA. It doesn't take into account everything. How is FIP any different? It uses math and doesn't take into account everything.

Well, I would love to hear this. You rarely state anything. You just babble.

 

[Jntg4]

How does Batting Average not have a flaw? It gives walks absolutely no credit at all. It also counts a homerun and a single the same. Are you telling me that a homerun and a single are equal?

What I am gathering here is that there is math behind BA. It doesn't take into account everything. How is FIP any different? It uses math and doesn't take into account everything.

Well, I would love to hear this. You rarely state anything. You just babble.

He knew you wouldn't get what he's trying to say.

 

[Captain Obvious]

But does that make him Roy Halladay? No.

Who ever said it did? No one.

Dew, I see what you are getting at.

I'm referring to

Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics#cite_note-Dodge-0

 

[DewsSox79]

How does Batting Average not have a flaw? It gives walks absolutely no credit at all. It also counts a homerun and a single the same. Are you telling me that a homerun and a single are equal?

What I am gathering here is that there is math behind BA. It doesn't take into account everything. How is FIP any different? It uses math and doesn't take into account everything.

Well, I would love to hear this. You rarely state anything. You just babble.

EDIT: WE TODD DID so no butts are hurt


Read a few posts up. you obviously have no idea what I am trying to say, ask AddisonStation since he knows exactly what I am saying.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Read a few posts up. you obviously have no idea what I am trying to say, ask AddisonStation since he knows exactly what I am saying.

Ah, a mod calling a poster a Special person....

 

[DewsSox79]

Who ever said it did? No one.

Dew, I see what you are getting at.

I'm referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics#cite_note-Dodge-0

All I am saying is, what is known to be true. like what I was explaining and how addison responded.

 

[DewsSox79]

Ah, a mod calling a poster a Special person....

I can do that if I choose to.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I can do that if I choose to.

Just like I can say that you're a shitty mod, if I choose to?

 

[DewsSox79]

Just like I can say that you're a shitty mod, if I choose to?

you can if you want. Im glad you feel that way. I just hope I dont lose sleep over it.

now back to the topic.....

 

[Jntg4]

Ah, a mod calling a poster a Special person....

You're one to talk.

Same goes for all stats though.

 

[Captain Obvious]

You're one to talk.

Same goes for all stats though.

So what's your point?

Dew, how can you just use the "known" facts to evaluate a player?

 

[DewsSox79]

So what's your point?

Dew, how can you just use the "known" facts to evaluate a player?

The unknown what if scenarios and grey areas that have some substance such as FIP and xFIP can be used in conjunction with other stats. I have no problem looking at a players FIP and xFIP, but there is no way I will ever go into a debate using that as my primary backup to a pitchers talent.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The unknown what if scenarios and grey areas that have some substance such as FIP and xFIP can be used in conjunction with other stats. I have no problem looking at a players FIP and xFIP, but there is no way I will ever go into a debate using that as my primary backup to a pitchers talent.

Well okay then... what would you use? I've asked you this about 35 times and have never gotten an answer.

 

[IvyPickin87]

wow i have a headache reading this thread its almost in another language... jesus fellas quit arguing over fuckin STATS. You guys were on topic but for fucks sake you cant leave it alone. Garza has been good unlucky in his run support. But i wont go as far to say he is one of the top pitchers in the game.