Garza isn't as bad as you think

[Jntg4]

Have you actually added anything to this thread? Or any thread for that matter.

Short term memory I take it?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Short term memory I take it?

Do you know how to not post whore? I'm seriously questioning whether or not you can or can't.

We're trying to talk baseball. Now, go ahead and contribute to the conversation or go somewhere else. This isn't that hard.

 

[Jntg4]

Do you know how to not post whore? I'm seriously questioning whether or not you can or can't.

We're trying to talk baseball. Now, go ahead and contribute to the conversation or go somewhere else. This isn't that hard.

I have.

Go bitch about people who make 10 posts a day post whoring somewhere else.

I did get in this conversation a few pages back actually, I was simple questioning whether you can remember that or not.

 

[Captain Obvious]

We know how much a LD lands for a hit and we know how often it is a double/triple. Same with the others. hmmmmmmmm. Wonder why no one has done this. I am sure it could be done to figure out exactly how much a LD is worth runs wise.

According to Dave Cameron, from the 2006 Hardball Times Annual:

Line Drive: .356 – in other words, an average line drive is worth 35% of one run.
HBP: .342
Non-Intentional Walk: .315
Intentional Walk: .176
Outfield Fly: .035
Groundball: -.101
Bunts: -.103
Infield Fly: -.243
Strikeout: -.287

I don't have the Hardball Times Annual, so I'm assuming that Dave hasn't posted false information, but I don't see that to be true, he has a pretty good reputation.

Okay, after running these numbers with his numbers on the season, I get the result of -6.922. I'm not sure if this means that he has been worth 7 runs or if there is something else that must be done.

 

[nwfisch]

You know...maybe if the offense would score more than 2 runs a game, pitchers would get more wins.

 

[DewsSox79]

I look at their FIP, then their K, BB, HR rates, the xFIP, then BABIP and LD, GB, and FB%'s. Then I see how that compares to their ERA. I'm working on learning more about tERA and FIP- and xFIP-, but I only have so much time.

It's not hard to conduct yourself in a decent manner. I'm 16 and I can do it. You're 31, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

im a broker, being a sweetheart isnt in my DNA.

 

[cjnovus]

It happens. "Small sample size," "regression to the mean," "luck" or whatever casual rationale you prefer for random statistical fluctuations, numbers will always change. That's baseball. For every player who has experienced a numbers bump (or drop), there's always the possibility it's mere random, short-term fluctuation.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

It happens. "Small sample size," "regression to the mean," "luck" or whatever casual rationale you prefer for random statistical fluctuations, numbers will always change. That's baseball. For every player who has experienced a numbers bump (or drop), there's always the possibility it's mere random, short-term fluctuation.

I love your sig.

 

[FirstTimer]

Well bravo on missing the entire point. Seems to be a theme for you. The point is, if you're evaluating a player for a certain thing, why are you going to use all the variables?

He posts this...

Then THIS?!?!?

I look at their FIP, then their K, BB, HR rates, the xFIP, then BABIP and LD, GB, and FB%'s. Then I see how that compares to their ERA. I'm working on learning more about tERA and FIP- and xFIP-, but I only have so much time.
It's not hard to conduct yourself in a decent manner. I'm 16 and I can do it. You're 31, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

:clap:

Wow.....

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

why does this always get into an argument about the context and use of the stats rather than how it applies to the player?

 

[FirstTimer]

why does this always get into an argument about the context and use of the stats rather than how it applies to the player?

Thta's kind of the issue at hand. Simply throwing a stat out there about a player and making a broad claim based on that without evaluating it's context and looking at it's overall usefullness is idiotic.

 

[poodski]

why does this always get into an argument about the context and use of the stats rather than how it applies to the player?

Because rather than arguing the stats at hand and the usefulness of them they would rather just attack the stats themselves with straw-man arguments.

Anyone can sit in an Ivory Tower and point out the flaws in other peoples posts about a player without saying anything themselves.

I can find just as many flaws with any stat(s) you or anyone brings up without reverting to the its not real tactic that others have.

All stats are flawed, just some not as much as others. WAR isn't nearly as flawed as some would want you to believe.

 

[FirstTimer]

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I can find just as many flaws with any stat(s) you or anyone brings up without reverting to the its not real tactic that others have.

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It's clear you have no idea what Dew is talking about even though it's been explained ad nauseum in this thread. and Dew is right. WAR isn't a "real stat". A true stat doesn't have hypotheticals as WAR does.

 

[dabynsky]

Is there a reason we are rehashing this debate in a thread which the last post made was over two months ago before today?

 

[FirstTimer]

 

[dabynsky]

That is what I thought the answer was, but I was just curious...

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Keep on topic to Garza plz

 

[Rice Cube]

Red Sox want the Garza, but Cubs probably says they can't has him.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Red Sox want the Garza, but Cubs probably says they can't has him.

We'll see.

 

[Rice Cube]

Cubs can has contend 2012?

If Cubs can't has contend 2012, Red Sox can has Garza.

(lolcat kick)