Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

[KBisBack!]

Sadly the only things I learned from this exchange were the following....

It is ok to personally attack people by calling them illiterate, but if you call someone an idiot the mods will freak out.

As long as you are supportive of everything Theo does, the mods will ignore any and all rules they are supposedly enforcing.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Wrong. You can't read.

You're illiterate

Sadly the only things I learned from this exchange were the following....

It is ok to personally attack people by calling them illiterate, but if you call someone an idiot the mods will freak out.

As long as you are supportive of everything Theo does, the mods will ignore any and all rules they are supposedly enforcing.

You told a person he was "illiterate" by using the phrase "you can't read", yet he responds with the word that means "you can't read", but somehow the other poster is the one violating rules by personally attacking people?

 

[KBisBack!]

You told a person he was "illiterate" by using the phrase "you can't read", yet he responds with the word that means "you can't read", but somehow the other poster is the one violating rules by personally attacking people?

I see you conveniently left out the fact that my quote of you can't read was in response to him telling me that I can't read when I was clearly able to read what he had written before he changed it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I see you conveniently left out the fact that my quote of you can't read was in response to him telling me that I can't read when I was clearly able to read what he had written before he changed it.

Yes. It was a matter of convenience, as opposed to an honest mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[chibears55]

Sadly the only things I learned from this exchange were the following....

It is ok to personally attack people by calling them illiterate, but if you call someone an idiot the mods will freak out.

As long as you are supportive of everything Theo does, the mods will ignore any and all rules they are supposedly enforcing.

LMAO.. Im being unfairly mistreated and singled out on a internet message board in which i find most posters on here dumb and have no clue what their saying about the cubs or the game of baseball, so instead of leaving and finding another message board to post on i choose to stay and complain everyday about how unfair the MODS are on here... :shrug::kick:

 

[JosMin]

LMAO.. Im being unfairly mistreated and singled out on a internet message board in which i find most posters on here dumb and have no clue what their saying about the cubs or the game of baseball, so instead of leaving and finding another message board to post on i choose to stay and complain everyday about how unfair the MODS are on here... :shrug::kick:

:andruw:

<3

 

[KBisBack!]

LMAO.. Im being unfairly mistreated and singled out on a internet message board in which i find most posters on here dumb and have no clue what their saying about the cubs or the game of baseball, so instead of leaving and finding another message board to post on i choose to stay and complain everyday about how unfair the MODS are on here... :shrug::kick:

LMAO.. I climb on my little soap box and whine and cry about how mean some complete strangers on an internet message board are for calling me dumb in response to dumb things I write. So instead of being a boy of my word and doing what I say, I choose to act like a two faced hypocrite and do the one thing I have whined and cried non stop about.

Cute little icons to show how clever and smart I am.

 

[The Bandit]

this thread takes me back to D3A days. Only difference between KB and D3A is grammar :andruw:

 

[waldo7239117]

^^^ Yeah it's not even about Garza anymore, go figure..

Well today could be Garza's last start... I know we say that every start, but it'll be all-star break and a lot more time to try and trade Garza. I'll be at today's game.

 

[chibears55]

Well today could be Garza's last start... I know we say that every start, but it'll be all-star break and a lot more time to try and trade Garza. I'll be at today's game.

I too think this is his last start as a cub if they are truly serious about trading him..
teams in contention want to be able to get the most starts they can out of pitchers and dont want to wait til Aug. ( extra starts / wins could be difference at end of season ), plus as being a possible rental, trading him now may ensure getting something a little more for the couple extra July starts.

 

[waldo7239117]

Yeah. And I can't see i being the Cardinals. The Cardinals will have to overpay a lot and I doubt they will do that. Plus, I don't think the Cubs want to trade him to an NL Central foe. I still like the Rangers as the best fit, especially now knowing the healt of Yu Darvish for the rest of the season.

 

[KBisBack!]

Sadly Garza seems smart enough that he wants out of this train wreck, and honestly who can blame him. Shark will probably be the next to go next season.

By far the best option would be to resign him.

Unfortunately the Cubs will probably have to end up trading him for pennies on the dollar as he will only be a two month rental for most teams and they will not get draft pick compensation if he signs with another team further lowering his value.

 

[JosMin]

Sadly Garza seems smart enough that he wants out of this train wreck, and honestly who can blame him. Shark will probably be the next to go next season.

By far the best option would be to resign him.

Unfortunately the Cubs will probably have to end up trading him for pennies on the dollar as he will only be a two month rental for most teams and they will not get draft pick compensation if he signs with another team further lowering his value.

Oh really? Is that why in a recent interview Garza said this --

"I voiced my opinion about how I love it here, my family loves it here and it's always something that you think about.... At the end of the day it comes down to my decision on an extension, on a trade it's obviously their decision."

That sure doesn't sound like a guy who wants to leave. It sounds like a guy who understands that this is a business and he's fully aware that if the Cubs think he's more valuable to them as a trade asset, that they'll decide to go that route. And the "Shark is getting traded" talk is nonsense. The guy is going into his first year of arbitration and the Cubs have shown zero interest in dealing him.

 

[waldo7239117]

Sadly Garza seems smart enough that he wants out of this train wreck, and honestly who can blame him. Shark will probably be the next to go next season.

By far the best option would be to resign him.

Unfortunately the Cubs will probably have to end up trading him for pennies on the dollar as he will only be a two month rental for most teams and they will not get draft pick compensation if he signs with another team further lowering his value.

I didn't know Garza was quitting.

 

[CSF77]

Looking at the market most teams want some sort of control in making a deal. Azl and Cle. Now looking at it that way the guy that holds more value is Shark. So following this logic, it would make more sense to extend Garza then trade Shark who could pull the wanted return value.

 

[KBisBack!]

That sure doesn't sound like a guy who wants to leave. It sounds like a guy who understands that this is a business and he's fully aware that if the Cubs think he's more valuable to them as a trade asset, that they'll decide to go that route.

We gotta play it one game at a time.

I'm just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ball club.

I just want to give it my best shot and the good Lord willing, things will work out.

It sure would have been easier if I could have just shared a link to the scene in Bull Durham.

Of course he knows it is a business. Which is exactly why he said he would love to stay with the Cubs, cause the best deal he can get is for the Cubs to overpay for him to stay on a completely shitty team cause that is the only way he stays a part of the train wreck.

There is zero chance that the mid level prospects they get back in exchange for him will provide near the value that retain Garza would.

But it sure will give you Prospect Worshippers some extreme spank material.

And the "Shark is getting traded" talk is nonsense. The guy is going into his first year of arbitration and the Cubs have shown zero interest in dealing him.

And he will also be 29 years old next year and has shown zero interest in staying with the Cubs long term with the current plan they are implementing.

According to most of you he will be on the downside of his career once he reaches 30.

He will be a free agent after his 30 year old season.

You and many other will wet themselves if the Cubs signed a guy going into his 31 year old season if they signed Shark to a 4-5 year extension which he will probably get if he continues to pitch like he has he last two years once he reaches free agency.

The sooner they trade him the better because they will get the most value back for him.

Because as most of you whine about in regards to Free Agents, Shark will be too old once this team is actually ready to compete.

Trading Shark sooner then later is exactly the plan you guys fall over yourselves praising.

 

[KBisBack!]

I didn't know Garza was quitting.

Me either, since no one even remotely suggested that he was quitting.

 

[chibears55]

Looking at the market most teams want some sort of control in making a deal. Azl and Cle. Now looking at it that way the guy that holds more value is Shark. So following this logic, it would make more sense to extend Garza then trade Shark who could pull the wanted return value.

i agree with that.. If i had to choose between the two i would much rather extend garza and trade samardzija now..
I just dont think samardzija really all that good IMO.. i think he over rated.. last 2 yrs 47 starts near 4.0 ERA near 1.25 Whip , i know the offense sucks and has some to do with record but you cant over look him being just 14 and 22, especially considering someone like travis wood with same team is 12 and 19 and he sucked last year. samardzija is suppose to be their no.1/2 starter.....

 

[chibears55]

. Which is exactly why he said he would love to stay with the Cubs, cause the best deal he can get is for the Cubs to overpay for him to stay on a completely shitty team cause that is the only way he stays a part of the train wreck.

LMAO... yea your right.. there no chance that multiple teams would be out bidding each other for his services in the off season if he becomes a FA
you should become a players agent, they would love you..
:enough:

 

[JosMin]

Of course he knows it is a business. Which is exactly why he said he would love to stay with the Cubs, cause the best deal he can get is for the Cubs to overpay for him to stay on a completely shitty team cause that is the only way he stays a part of the train wreck.

There is zero chance that the mid level prospects they get back in exchange for him will provide near the value that retain Garza would.

How do you figure? If you're talking about immediate impact, then yes. That's the point of acquiring prospects, after all. If you're talking about long-term impact, especially when you consider Garza's injury history? Who knows? It's a risk the Cubs are obviously willing to take.

And he will also be 29 years old next year and has shown zero interest in staying with the Cubs long term with the current plan they are implementing.

Where are you pulling these transparent "facts" from? Is it fun being this delusional?

According to most of you he will be on the downside of his career once he reaches 30.

He will be a free agent after his 30 year old season.

You and many other will wet themselves if the Cubs signed a guy going into his 31 year old season if they signed Shark to a 4-5 year extension which he will probably get if he continues to pitch like he has he last two years once he reaches free agency.

If the value was there, in terms of contract length and salary, and Samardzjia had shown improvement during his arbitration years and the ability to stay healthy, then I'd absolutely love to keep him -- so would most others. Nice generalization there. The same goes for Garza. The desire to potentially trade him has nothing to do with his age -- it's his injury history and the potential return on investment. People are acting like the Cubs gave up superstars to get Garza. Sam Fuld and Chris Archer are the only two guys who've even reached the majors for the Rays in that deal. Hak-Ju Lee has regressed greatly. At this point, I'd say the Cubs have won that trade, hands down.

The sooner they trade him the better because they will get the most value back for him.

Because as most of you whine about in regards to Free Agents, Shark will be too old once this team is actually ready to compete.

Trading Shark sooner then later is exactly the plan you guys fall over yourselves praising.

This is contradictory to the statement you and Pat made a few days ago -- stating that Garza and Samardzjia were both more valuable to the Cubs as rotational building blocks. Which is it? I have no idea where this fascination with age is coming from. Nobody on here is saying that 30 is "too old" for a free agent. Health, production, ceiling, projected salary and term, and any potential compensation if the player leaves are all things to consider when a player is a free agent. Again, if you're wanting the Cubs to keep both of these guys, why are we talking about dealing Samardzjia? Make up your mind.