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I don't mind the goofy hours. I know the NoDak area is crazy up and down, no housing, crazy shit happening.



I spose if I got my Class A with hazmat, tanker, and doubles I could probably pull 6 figures. I am just kinda stuck with what i want to do. Derrik work? sounds dangerous. Whats wireline? I need to learn some shit.



Jako,



My nephew who works the oil fields in NW North Dakota (lives in Tioga) is with me for the weekend.



Is there a question you would like me to ask him? He is in management there and works on computer issues with wells I believe.
 

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Jako,



My nephew who works the oil fields in NW North Dakota (lives in Tioga) is with me for the weekend.



Is there a question you would like me to ask him? He is in management there and works on computer issues with wells I believe.



computerized wells? What a time we live in.



I would ask him how it is. Like I said, I have heard things go up and things go down real quick. Some stories I have heard are folks will work their ass off for a few months, then get laid off.



Also, what work is available for a class B license holder?
 

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Stay out of the Bakken, the cost of living there is insane. I know people who have worked there and unless your company provides housing (many do now) you will not find a place to live and if you do you will pay Trump Tower prices. Same thing with food. Texas is a good place, Eagle Ford is booming and so is the Marcelles in PA. There isn't any class B work in the oil patch unless you are looking to work a wireline crew or a derrik. I'm usually over 80,000 loaded, I ran a triple axle my first year down here.



Pez, demand is up, way up. Oil is a global commodity and no matter how much domestic demand falls oil is traded on the international markets where China and India more than make up for our decline. Also in 2009 our fuel prices were higher than they are now for several months. If I remember right a barrel actually hit $125 at one point in 2009. The prices went through the floor at the end of W's term though, so your comparison makes perfect sense against today's prices. When gas sells for less than $2/gallon oil is trading under $60/barrel. Something to chew on, a barrel of oil depending on what kind of oil it is makes around about 35 gallons of gas, if a barrel of oil cost $95 then you are looking at gas at $2.71/gallon at crude oil prices. That's not taking into consideration how much money it costs to refine a barrel of oil (separating out the gasoline hydrocarbons from all the other hydrocarbons), to transport it from the oil field to the refinery, to add %10-%15 Ethanol to the gas (Ethanol costs more than gas), to add the detergants and stabilizers and octane blend to the gas, and to transport it to the distributors (the gas stations). There is very little profit margin in refining oil, the profits come from producing massive quantities which is why we export fuel (refined from oil we imported because we have the worlds most advanced and large refining capacity). Also, it costs a fortune to refine diesel because the government requires that diesel fuel have virtually no sulphur in it. That is expensive becuase crude oil has a tremendous amount of two things, water and sulphur. That's why light sweet crude is expensive (very low sulphur content) and heavy sour crude is cheap (high sulphur content). Most people don't realize how much fuel is actually diesel and not gasoline. Airplanes run on a form of diesel, trucks, ships, locomotives, diesel is a huge chunk of the fuel market.



I agree that people NEED gas, no doubt it's a national security issue the same as electricity. How do we deal with that? Again I did write a little article about how we can make progress there. As far as you not noticing any shortage of electricity, nuclear plants can be ramped up to produce more power on demand, the problem is even though nuclear is the medium term future of electricity the Democrats have blocked a national nuclear waste repository for decades even though every single electric bill we pay a federal tax for the disposal of nuclear power waste. That aside does Chicago have so many jobs it afford to lay off two coal fired powerplants worth of workers? It's a blue city so I'm sure they think they can, Springfield will just pay the difference out of the pockets of the red counties as usual and the fed will pick up any leftovers. Meanwhile those workers can now look forward to being taxed for no longer being able to afford health insurance. Lather rinse repeat.



First, I'm talking about domestic oil consumption. Second, global oil consumption is not "way up". It is actually more or less the same as it was four years ago. It has also taken some dips, but more or less leveled off. Around 84 million barrels a day in 2005 to 88 million barrels a day in 2011. About a 3% increase. From 2010 to 2011, only a .7 percent increase.



Oil prices hit those record highs in 2008. Under BUSH, not Obama. Summer of 2008 was absolutely brutal. Oil prices were at around $120 a barrel for nearly four months. I guess nobody remembers paying more than $4 a gallon for gas under Bush. Because I sure as hell do. Then again, I don't have a selective memory or an agenda towards one side or the other. I believe the oil prices dropped because they released around 400,000 gallons from the reserves, though, I'm fuzzy on that. Everything you said happened in 2008 under BUSH, NOT 2009 under OBAMA.



The rest of your explanation really has no bearing on the argument. Oil production has become more efficient over recent years. They have actually shut down refineries because they are able to produce more gasoline than the US can consume. The projected changes in refining capacity of the plants continues to go up, while demand continues to go down. So the law of supply and demand here in the UNITED STATES, is not to blame.



Since when has the availability of jobs had ANYTHING to do with closing plants/factories? Simply put, they don't care if their workers don't have jobs.
 

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2 problems.



1: they tried price fixing in the mid 70's. Anyone remember what happened? That shit can't happen again.



2: While I agree having many different energy sources, the populace can't have it. Americans, and really, all humans, need a clear cut number 1. From fuel, to watches, to anything really, we need a best thing that everyone wants. Everyone is looking for the number 1 thing in any category.



Unfortunately I wasn't alive during the gas crunch, but I do remember "Sorry, no gas" pictures. I didn't know they tried to fix the price.



I do know that the way the US in general is set up, there has to be a "plan b" for people getting to and from work. Our zoning infrastructure is not really set up for most people to walk or even ride their bikes to/from work, a lot of places have really shitty public transportation, and the reality is in many places the nonskilled labor position locations are located in areas in which nonskilled labor cannot live within walking or biking distance, and if public transportation is shitty, it not only means a lot of people will be out of work and on welfare, but there will literally be no one who could do the ditch-digger-type work to support the high-rollers.



I think a lot of any economy actually hinges on the populace being able to get to and from their jobs, and if that's no longer the case we're going to see a major crash.



Hence, I don't necessarily agree with your counterpoint to my point 2. I think in the future most of the populace will have to separate commute transportation from mid-long distance transportation from both energy source to just how they do it.
 

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Unfortunately I wasn't alive during the gas crunch, but I do remember "Sorry, no gas" pictures. I didn't know they tried to fix the price.



I do know that the way the US in general is set up, there has to be a "plan b" for people getting to and from work. Our zoning infrastructure is not really set up for most people to walk or even ride their bikes to/from work, a lot of places have really shitty public transportation, and the reality is in many places the nonskilled labor position locations are located in areas in which nonskilled labor cannot live within walking or biking distance, and if public transportation is shitty, it not only means a lot of people will be out of work and on welfare, but there will literally be no one who could do the ditch-digger-type work to support the high-rollers.



I think a lot of any economy actually hinges on the populace being able to get to and from their jobs, and if that's no longer the case we're going to see a major crash.



Hence, I don't necessarily agree with your counterpoint to my point 2. I think in the future most of the populace will have to separate commute transportation from mid-long distance transportation from both energy source to just how they do it.



I wasn't either, but my folks are old. The energy crisis came up from OPEC members throwing an embargo on the US for helping supply the Israeli military during the Yom Kippur war. I was also told that the government tried to fix prices during that, and oil companies just said, "**** it, we will only produce x amount of gas". I believe that, but it could be wrong.



I am hoping that the masses will wake up and see how that could/would work. The only issue is getting the alternatives up and running. Charging stations, Algae farms, wind farms, and so on.
 

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We have charging stations out here...we need plenty more, but we got them. In that way it pays to live in the land of tree-hugging granolaheads.
 

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We have charging stations out here...we need plenty more, but we got them. In that way it pays to live in the land of tree-hugging granolaheads.

You mean Hipster Mecca?
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You mean Hipster Mecca?
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That or Grimmville
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That or Grimmville
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. I don't know if you watch the show but Nick's trailer is just a block or two from my buddy's place.

Yeah, I've seen the show and it totally looks like the area.



Are the micro-brews really that good out there?
 

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I think so--IMHO it's a hell of a lot better than the fermented pig urine the macrobreweries in St. Louis churn out. Lots of Ales and Porters as opposed to Lagers and Pilsners though. Took my In-laws to the Bridgeport and my Father-in-law was quite impressed with their Old Knucklehead Barley Wine--keeping in mind that both the Czechs and Slovaks are world-renown for damned good beer (specifically Pilsners). Plus, I'm not sure about any microbreweries out in your neck of the weeds, but I know at the Rogue, Bridgeport, and Deschutes breweries in downtown Portland, you can pick up a growler (2-litre glass jug) of your favorite brew for $27 and get them refilled for $11.



And Speaking of Grimm and Breweries, saw Monroe when my buddy, my wife and I were walking to the Deschutes Brewery while walking down the street--was cool for my wife
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I think so--IMHO it's a hell of a lot better than the fermented pig urine the macrobreweries in St. Louis churn out. Lots of Ales and Porters as opposed to Lagers and Pilsners though. Took my In-laws to the Bridgeport and my Father-in-law was quite impressed with their Old Knucklehead Barley Wine--keeping in mind that both the Czechs and Slovaks are world-renown for damned good beer (specifically Pilsners). Plus, I'm not sure about any microbreweries out in your neck of the weeds, but I know at the Rogue, Bridgeport, and Deschutes breweries in downtown Portland, you can pick up a growler (2-litre glass jug) of your favorite brew for $27 and get them refilled for $11.



And Speaking of Grimm and Breweries, saw Monroe when my buddy, my wife and I were walking to the Deschutes Brewery while walking down the street--was cool for my wife
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Good to know, at some point I was thinking of a trip out that way just to micro-brew hop... we definitely get plenty of Rogue and Bridgeport around here - you just have to know what bars/stores sell it. Barley wines are good, but they'll knock you on your ass pretty easy if you aren't watching how many you have!
 

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When Romney Liked High Gas Prices



by Alec MacGillis - The New Republic



As he campaigns for president, Mitt Romney is ratcheting up his attacks on Barack Obama over high gas prices, putting the issue at the center of his economic message. He is calling for Obama to fire his Energy secretary, EPA administrator, and Interior secretary, saying they are to blame for high prices at the pump. “No question in my mind that these—I call them the gas-hike trio—that those three are on a mission to drive up the price of gasoline and all energy so that they can finally get their solar and their wind to be more price-competitive. That’s what they want to do,” Romney said on Monday.



Curiously overlooked, though, is just what a shift this rhetoric is from the approach that Romney took on the issue of gas prices while governor of Massachusetts. Befitting his profile as a moderate Republican who cared about the environment, Governor Romney responded to price spikes by describing them as the natural result of global market pressures and by calling for increases in fuel efficiency—the same approach that he now derides Obama for taking as president.



At moments, Romney went so far as to make high gas prices out to be a welcome reality for the foreseeable future, one that people needed to learn to live with. When lieutenant governor Kerry Healey, a fellow Republican, called for suspending the state’s 23.5 cent gas tax during a price spike in May 2006, Romney rejected the idea, saying it would only further drive up gasoline consumption. “I don’t think that now is the time, and I’m not sure there will be the right time, for us to encourage the use of more gasoline,” Romney said, according to the Quincy Patriot Ledger’s report at the time. “I’m very much in favor of people recognizing that these high gasoline prices are probably here to stay.



http://www.tnr.com/article/politics...chusetts-governor-gas-prices-renewable-energy



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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! That's fucking comedy gold.
 

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The Bullmitt meter is off the charts today (well, on second thought, when isn't it?).

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Already posted, got anything new?
 

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No comments on how he has changed his position on gas prices to suit his agenda huh? Not surprising.
 

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No comments on how he has changed his position on gas prices to suit his agenda huh? Not surprising.



Mittaholics would be constantly posting



...and editing their posts, depending on which mitt was speaking to which group at which time on which day (depending on wind conditions, of course). That's a full-time position.

It's easier to say that your image is stupid, then to possibly wind up with bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome.
 

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Mittaholics would be constantly posting



...and editing their posts, depending on which mitt was speaking to which group at which time on which day (depending on wind conditions, of course). That's a full-time position.

It's easier to say that your image is stupid, then to possibly wind up with bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome.



Personally I prefer posting articles on failed "green" jobs. Tesla, Solyindra.... Hard to keep track of them all. I did read recently that Solyindra's bankruptcy was more about dodging taxes than anything else. I'll see if I can find the article for that.



Edit:There you go



Solyndra dodging tax burden through bankruptcy
 

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