Give Theo time

[The Bandit]

Yeah. He is spending money on other parts of the organization where he will increase revenue, as has been pointed out over and over and over.

You left that little detail out of your analysis.




He has done a terrible job. Period.

The Cubs payroll is not where it should be given the revenue they generate, but it is still higher than most.

Considering that 75% of the roster has been turned over there has been ample opportunity to improve the team, even with payroll being cut.

The Orioles are spending $13M less and are currently 7.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Braves are spending $14M less and are currently 7 games better than the Cubs.
The Diamondbacks are spending $15M less and are currently 6.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Brewers are spending $21M less and are currently 2 games better than the Cubs.
The Royals are spending $22M less and are currently 5.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Pirates are spending $24.5M less and are currently 6 games better than the Cubs.
The Indians are spending $26M less and are currently 6 games better than the Cubs.
The Twins are spending $28M less and are currently 4.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Mets are spending $30.5M less and are currently 1.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Mariners are spending $32M less and are currently 2.5 games better than the Cubs.
The Rockies are spending $32M less and are currently 5 games better than the Cubs.
The Padres are spending $37M less and are currently 2 games better than the Cubs.
The Athletics are spending $44M less and are currently 4 games better than the Cubs.
The Rays are spending $46M less and are currently 4 games better than the Cubs.

The only teams spending less than the Cubs that are worse than the Cubs are the two worst teams in baseball. Houston and Miami.

The Angels are spending $23.5M more and have the same record.

Only the Blue Jays are spending more than the Cubs and have a worse record, $13M more.

I guess I should point out the Dodgers are only .5 game better than the Cubs and the White Sox one game better before the semantic police wet themselves.

Yawn. None of those teams have done what we've done the last few years so irrelevant and wanna know why there costs are low? Prospects! Zing

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[KBisBack!]

Yawn. None of those teams have done what we've done the last few years so irrelevant and wanna know why there costs are low? Prospects! Zing

And wanna know why their records are better??

Their GM's brought in better players!

Zing.

 

[The Bandit]

And wanna know why their records are better??

Their GM's brought in better players!

Zing.

Name them from the twins let's here the quality

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[KBisBack!]

Name them from the twins let's here the quality

Kevin Correa and Josh Roenicke just this past offseason. Correa being the teams best starting pitcher.

And their two best 'prospects' in Mauer and Morneau are making a combined $37M. Not sure how that is keeping the costs down.

 

[The Bandit]

Kevin Correa and Josh Roenicke just this past offseason. Correa being the teams best starting pitcher.

And their two best 'prospects' in Mauer and Morneau are making a combined $37M. Not sure how that is keeping the costs down.

Wow they really are on the path to the title aren't they?

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[KBisBack!]

Wow they really are on the path to the title aren't they?

Doing better than the Cubs.

 

[chibears55]

Yeah. He is spending money on other parts of the organization where he will increase revenue, as has been pointed out over and over and over.

You left that little detail out of your analysis.

ok ??? not sure what your point is with this but ok..

He has done a terrible job. Period.

The Cubs payroll is not where it should be given the revenue they generate, but it is still higher than most.

Considering that 75% of the roster has been turned over there has been ample opportunity to improve the team, even with payroll being cut.

not epstein fault that payroll not where it should be, and its hard to improve a 90 loss team when payroll was cut by almost 40 mil. to near 100 mil. and almost 1/3 of it is taken up by 3 plyers ( soriano, garza, and marmol ).
( you will not get an argument from me that the 13 mil for jackson was a waste and coulve been spent on a better player ) ..
he also didnt have much if any major league ready players in their system that couldve helped..

so, there not many quality players your going to be able to bring in for an average to low salary to keep payroll down as your cutting cost ....

as far as how those are teams are doing..
too lazy to look them all up but my guess is most of those teams probably have quality major league players on their roster that came from their system that arent costing them right now and have a pretty decent or at least better minor league pool of players to choose from then the cubs have had the last couple of years...

 

[The Bandit]

ok ??? not sure what your point is with this but ok..




not epstein fault that payroll not where it should be, and its hard to improve a 90 loss team when payroll was cut by almost 40 mil. to near 100 mil. and almost 1/3 of it is taken up by 3 plyers ( soriano, garza, and marmol ).
( you will not get an argument from me that the 13 mil for jackson was a waste and coulve been spent on a better player ) ..
he also didnt have much if any major league ready players in their system that couldve helped..

so, there not many quality players your going to be able to bring in for an average to low salary to keep payroll down as your cutting cost ....

as far as how those are teams are doing..
too lazy to look them all up but my guess is most of those teams probably have quality major league players on their roster that came from their system that arent costing them right now and have a pretty decent or at least better minor league pool of players to choose from then the cubs have had the last couple of years...

Exactly right but hell deflect as usual.

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[The Bandit]

Maybe.. just maybe if someone hit you with a bat in the head you would actually make sense. dude payroll doesn't effect revenue? How the hell do you figure? You make money then you gotta pay the employees... herp da derp.

Original post. Basically saying payroll effects revenue because the revenue coming in covers the payroll then what's left is profit. Continue

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[KBisBack!]

ok ??? not sure what your point is with this but ok..

I am pointing out the obvious.

Ricketts will spend money where it will make him money.

so, there not many quality players your going to be able to bring in for an average to low salary to keep payroll down as your cutting cost ....

And yet many other teams seem to be doing it.

But somehow it is unreasonable to expect the Great Theo and Co to do the same??

Um ok.

 

[KBisBack!]

Original post. Basically saying payroll effects revenue because the revenue coming in covers the payroll then what's left is profit.

How are you still arguing this??

You thought originally that payroll effects revenue.

It doesn't.

You got corrected, learned something and admitted you were wrong, but somehow now you are still trying to argue you were right all along? You weren't.

Move on, lick your wounds and be happy that you are now a smarter person for having learned something.

 

[CSF77]

Wow....why is is difficult to understand that payroll went from 148 mil to 106 mil. Was around 50ish mill this offseason and they spent 11 mil on 2 flips in Baker/Feldman. 5.5 mil on SP depth in Villenueva. A RF platoon investment of around 8 mil. 3B they blew 2 mil towards the AAA 3B. Another x mil towards a set up. Not really solid investments. The only big market move was signing Jackson. And I've heard from some here big mistake to appease the fans. Wow

 

[CSF77]

To be honest if they get some balls and pull a few deals that will feel painful this team could turn around fast. That would change to mood of the anti Theo crowd. Like selling Baez for Headley. Then moving Valbuena to 2B. Dude is becoming intriguing and at 2B maybe an assett. Fast tracking Soler to RF. Drafting Appel. Extending Garza vs looking to cash in. These moves can turn around this team in a hurry.

 

[mountsalami]

so, as a cub fan your insulting yourself here :shrug:



just to be clear as i read all these threads..
some on here are in agreement that ricketts is cheap and only cares about making profit ( although he has been spending money to improve on other parts of the organization ) but not the actual major league team.. but yet complain that epstein hasnt done a good job bringing in high priced FAs or good FAs at a cost..

As much as you enjoy your smallish moment on your soapbox...

Thanks for indirectly pointing out the replacement of the straw hut, in the Dominican, with the one that is now made out of wood.
They have now also replaced the donkeys that got them around the facility with golf carts.They have also introduced mechanical pencils to replace the stick, that was used to draw their next move in the dirt.

They are no longer forced to wipe their asses, after taking a shit, in the outfield grass. They now have state-of-the art porta-crappers and a bucket of corn cobs to wipe their ass with now.

 

[Boobaby1]

To be honest if they get some balls and pull a few deals that will feel painful this team could turn around fast. That would change to mood of the anti Theo crowd. Like selling Baez for Headley. Then moving Valbuena to 2B. Dude is becoming intriguing and at 2B maybe an assett. Fast tracking Soler to RF. Drafting Appel. Extending Garza vs looking to cash in. These moves can turn around this team in a hurry.

Well, we will see what moves are made. I'm pretty sure Theo's sentiments would probably be the same as when Hoyer stated that it was very painful to look up at a 101 loss season. Staring at possibly another one or very close to it this year, we should get a better idea at how aggressive they are at turning this ship around.

It will also be interesting to see and hear what fans will say if another dismal season happens yet again. It ought to be interesting. Or better yet, entertaining.

 

[nwfisch]

Well, we will see what moves are made. I'm pretty sure Theo's sentiments would probably be the same as when Hoyer stated that it was very painful to look up at a 101 loss season. Staring at possibly another one or very close to it this year, we should get a better idea at how aggressive they are at turning this ship around.

It will also be interesting to see and hear what fans will say if another dismal season happens yet again. It ought to be interesting. Or better yet, entertaining.

Don't worry, people will have excuses to defend Theo until he's gone.

People will also have reasons to bash Theo until he's gone.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, but I find it hard to defend more than 50% of Theo's work at the MLB level so far.

 

[patg006]

Kevin Correa and Josh Roenicke just this past offseason. Correa being the teams best starting pitcher.

And their two best 'prospects' in Mauer and Morneau are making a combined $37M. Not sure how that is keeping the costs down.

Forget Willingham and Doumit last season? Wasnt Josh Willingham the most coveted OF at the deadline last season but never got dealt? Or are the semantics police going to ignore 35 HR and 110 RBI, who only costed 7 million for the sake he only hit .260 to David DeJesus' .263 and the fact he only costed 2.75 million less? :fap:

:rage:

 

[Willrust]

Nope.

Because ticket sales increased from 2006-2008 and even in 2009 was greater than it was in 2006.

You will notice that when the Ricketts started running the team and putting out a shit product that the team attendance started declining in 2010.



You are an idiot.

The 2010 numbers you provided are the SECONDARY market numbers, not what the team was charging for the tickets in 2010.

Here is a link that shows the Cubs average ticket price in 2007 was $34.30.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/03/28/average_ticket_price_list/

So the average ticket price increased about $12.50 from 2007 to 2011.

At $12.50 for an average of 3,181,542 fans (the average yearly attendance between 2006-2010) gives you an increase in revenue of $39.7M just on ticket sales alone.

So that leaves another $10M in concessions, increased signage in the ballpark, concerts, football games, hockey games etc. Easily feasible.

Attendance went from 3.12M in 2006 to a high of 3.3M in 2008 down to to 3M in 2010 & a low of 2.8 in 2012! I couldn't give a **** what the averages are. The Cubs increase in ticket prices would counteract the drop in attendance to a degree, but wouldn't increase revenues by the 37M you purport. I will admit, that the Cubs did raise ticket prices to counteract the increase in payroll. However, the Cubs also decreased the ticket prices with the decrease in payroll:

http://sportslistoftheday.com/2012/...st-index-for-all-30-baseball-teams-2008-2012/

So, when Ricketts took over operations he began lowering ticket prices. Sounds exactly like something that a person only interested in making money would do. As opposed to the Tribune under Zell that increase ticket prices every year until they sold the team in 2010.

 

[Willrust]

Wow....why is is difficult to understand that payroll went from 148 mil to 106 mil. Was around 50ish mill this offseason and they spent 11 mil on 2 flips in Baker/Feldman. 5.5 mil on SP depth in Villenueva. A RF platoon investment of around 8 mil. 3B they blew 2 mil towards the AAA 3B. Another x mil towards a set up. Not really solid investments. The only big market move was signing Jackson. And I've heard from some here big mistake to appease the fans. Wow

Is it difficult to understand that payroll went from 96M in 2006 to 106M in 2013? Stop focusing only on a payroll that ballooned to 144M with the purpose of increasing the accessed value of the team to increase the sales price.

 

[Ari Bear]

5 years should produce some results.. Gonna have some high draft picks, so if he knows what he's doing, it will produce wins for the Cubbies!