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[ruprecht]

Vortex was initiated a page or so ago.

Shortest post ever.

 

[number51]

This makes no sense. Marquez knew what he looked like and was going to reveal his face as well as knowledge of his business so he had to do something.

He chose to eliminate Marquez as well as his enemies by luring them to the same spot. It was his best choice given the circumstances. And he succeeded in killing Marquez and all his enemies present that night.

Your beef seems to be that Soze wasn't God and couldn't make everything go exactly his way which is just dumb. His plan was sound. He executed it well and OMG, one person out of 30 people survived long enough to have a sketch made up.

A sketch that is worthless because the dude died, Kint has immunity, and the only guy that knows the truth doesn't have enough evidence to prove Kint is Soze. The only way this is a fail is if you ignore the entire story and pretend like Kujan had the power to do anything about his knowledge. He doesn't. He's a customs officer dude with a finger painting.

I think spending the rest of his life in a cave is a loss, you think it is a triumph. I'm willing to let it go at that, please stop.

This all I got, I refuse to do this, you have unlimited stamina, your keyboard has 12 trillion keys, you are the wordinator, you will never stop.

 

[remydat]

I think spending the rest of his life in a cave is a loss, you think it is a triumph. I'm willing to let it go at that, please stop.

This all I got, I refuse to do this, you have unlimited stamina, your keyboard has 12 trillion keys, you are the wordinator, you will never stop.

And this still makes no sense. What cave are you talking about? He was operating from the shadows before so not sure why you think that is a problem now.

Let me ask you simply, what evidence do you think Kujan has that proves this cripple with an immunity deal is some criminal mastermind that few believe exist? There is no physical evidence that proves Kint is Soze. There is no evidence that Soze even exists. The only guy that knew about his operations and that was willing to talk is dead. The guy who gave them the description is dead. This guy's statement about Soze killing people has no corroborating evidence and we already know that Soze is a name criminals say to spook each other. The interview Kujan conducted was not recorded because it wasn't an official interview.

So I am willing to let your illogical argument go, please stop. No one is coming after Soze because no one except for Kujan thinks he really exists. And no one has any evidence that overrides Kint's immunity deal.

 

[number51]

And this still makes no sense. What cave are you talking about? He was operating from the shadows before so not sure why you think that is a problem now.

What? He was walking around New York City as Verbal Kint, nobody knew he was Soze. He was a free man, he could literally go anywhere in the world without a problem. Now he can't. You really don't understand that do you? He lost his freedom, he will disappear and sit in a dark room posting bullshit on the internet for the rest of his miserable life, how can that be viewed as a win?


looks around, oh wait...

 

[remydat]

What? He was walking around New York City as Verbal Kint, nobody knew he was Soze. He was a free man, he could literally go anywhere in the world without a problem. Now he can't. You really don't understand that do you? He lost his freedom, he will disappear and sit in a dark room posting bullshit on the internet for the rest of his miserable life, how can that be viewed as a win?


looks around, oh wait...

He has immunity. Kujan has no proof Soze exists or that Kint is Soze so what don't you understand about that? What do you think would happen if Kujan saw him? He has no cause to arrest him for anything. He is free.

Also, there is no evidence that Kint walked around NYC as opposed to it simply being an alias created and used by Soze from time to time. It's more likely a cover, one of many.

 

[number51]

He has immunity. Kujan has no proof Soze exists or that Kint is Soze so what don't you understand about that? What do you think would happen if Kujan saw him? He has no cause to arrest him for anything. He is free.

Also, there is no evidence that Kint walked around NYC as opposed to it simply being an alias created and used by Soze from time to time. It's more likely a cover, one of many.

This has become a social experiment. How long will remy go to prove cave living is good. You said it yourself he would disappear, never to be seen again. You said that was his plan.

Before his big plan: Total freedom, he used that to walk around NYC, and anywhere else on the planet.
After his big plan: A cave.

remy, are you a spelunker? Is that why you think Soze won?

 

[Monster]

I agree with 51 on this one.
I suppose it could be that it was never Soze at all but a pawn... But that's less interesting.

PS: Ammunity is contingent on honesty...

 

[remydat]

This has become a social experiment. How long will remy go to prove cave living is good. You said it yourself he would disappear, never to be seen again. You said that was his plan.

Before his big plan: Total freedom, he used that to walk around NYC, and anywhere else on the planet.
After his big plan: A cave.

remy, are you a spelunker? Is that why you think Soze won?

I note you avoided the questions. As a courtesy I will answer your questions and perhaps you will return the favor. Soze was hiding before because Kint is simply a cover. He wasn't just walking around as Kint every day. It was a cover he used from time to time. He wasn't just living as some petty criminal in NY.

And he can continue to walk around NYC or anywhere else because the only person that thinks he is Soze is Kujan. To the rest of the world, Kint is a cripple who was granted immunity. So he will do what he always did, live in the shadows and use covers like Kint or another alias if he has to. Your error is in thinking that Kint is a real person. He isn't. The real person is Soze.

Which brings me back to the question you dodged. Kujan has no proof Soze exists or that Kint is Soze so what don't you understand about that? What do you think would happen if Kujan saw him? Kujan has no evidence to overrule the immunity deal and he as a customs agent has no cause to pursue Kint for anything. Are you suggesting he is going to abuse his authority in some way and purse a man that the FBI gave immunity to?

Soze has any number of aliases and covers and only one is known by one person. However, that one known alias is not wanted for any crime so at best, that cover is simply burned. It's like you think Kujan is going to go on some personal crusade or something when he has no leads.

 

[remydat]

I agree with 51 on this one.
I suppose it could be that it was never Soze at all but a pawn... But that's less interesting.

PS: Ammunity is contingent on honesty...

Macquarrie (writer) and Singer (director) have different views on this. Macquarrie is non-committal and suggested there is no proof Soze exists and wasn't just some story or whether in fact Kobayashi or some other person is actually Soze and Kint is just his hired assassin. Singer said that the sketch proved to him that Kint was Soze.

That's the beauty of the story. The whole point is you don't really know what to believe which is part of the reason Kujan has no real way of proving his theory.

 

[number51]

Soze wasn't concerned about ultimately being exposed.
Kobayashi is essentially concluding business that will allow Soze to return back to the shadows.
...says that his guess is that after this you will never hear from Soze again.

And yet as he said quite clearly in the end you will never see him again.

He was operating from the shadows before so not sure why you think that is a problem now.

He is free.

Then why go into hiding?

Also, there is no evidence that Kint walked around NYC

Yes there is, they showed many scenes of him walking around NYC. Did you even see this movie?

He wasn't just walking around as Kint every day. He wasn't just living as some petty criminal in NY.

Yes he was, it was in the movie. You never even saw this. lol

And he can continue to walk around NYC or anywhere else because the only person that thinks he is Soze is Kujan.

So why is he going into hiding?

And yet as he said quite clearly in the end you will never see him again.

He's going into hiding, never to be seen again, not because he has to, he just feels like it.

You really should watch this flick, it's great.

 

[ijustposthere]

Forrest Gump
Back To The Future Trilogy
Inception
Godfather 2
Departed
Empire Strikes Back
The Dark Knight
Shawshank

These are movies I can watch over and over and never get tired of them.

 

[remydat]

Then why go into hiding?

Yes there is, they showed many scenes of him walking around NYC. Did you even see this movie?

Yes he was, it was in the movie. You never even saw this. lol

So why is he going into hiding?

He's going into hiding, never to be seen again, not because he has to, he just feels like it.

You really should watch this flick, it's great.

He always was in hiding. Kint was a cover. He orchestrated the lineup at the start of the movie and then used the Kint cover to be in the lineup so he could arrange everything. Jesus dude, the scenes you see of Kint in NYC are being told to you by Kint himself and the movie ends with it being revealed he made up much of the story by using shit in the room.

Virtually the whole movie is potentially a lie told to you by Kint. And you are asking me if I watched the movie, lol. The only things we can be sure of is that there was a lineup and that a shit ton of people died. Those are verifiable facts in the movie.

 

[remydat]

Forrest Gump
Back To The Future Trilogy
Inception
Godfather 2
Departed
Empire Strikes Back
The Dark Knight
Shawshank

These are movies I can watch over and over and never get tired of them.

I've got all of those in my top 50 except for Back to the Future. Loved the first one, not so much the others. Good list. Inception is another one with a controversial ending regarding whether it Leo's character was trapped in a dream or not at the end.

 

[ijustposthere]

I've got all of those in my top 50 except for Back to the Future. Loved the first one, not so much the others. Good list. Inception is another one with a controversial ending regarding whether it Leo's character was trapped in a dream or not at the end.

I love Back to the Future. Especially the first two. Third one is alright. It drives me nuts when a channel will play all 3, but play the third one first. I'm like, WTF? I forgot to mention the Indiana Jones trilogy. I can watch those all day too. Not the abortion of a movie the 4th one is though. Total Recall and Predator are two more I can watch every day.

The end of Departed though, that shit got me. I was like, "Whoa. WTF just happened." Didn't see it coming, that shit was awesome.

 

[Camden Cutler]

this thread went too long without inception

american beauty
do the right thing
shawshank redemption
casino (i don't know how but this replaced goodfellas for me over the years)
toy story 1 and 3 **** you in advance
forrest gump



a lot of the movies that been mentioned kind of goes without saying but there a bunch of movies that i just flat out enjoyed but i know they aren't the greatest of all time..there should be a thread for that

 

[ijustposthere]

this thread went too long without inception

american beauty
do the right thing
shawshank redemption
casino (i don't know how but this replaced goodfellas for me over the years)
toy story 1 and 3 **** you in advance
forrest gump



a lot of the movies that been mentioned kind of goes without saying but there a bunch of movies that i just flat out enjoyed but i know they aren't the greatest of all time..there should be a thread for that

I was racking my brain trying to figure out which movie I left off. Fucking Goodfellas. Probably in my top 5 most watched movies.

 

[The Hawk]

One I missed: Saving Private Ryan. The beach landing at the beginning of the movie was as great a bit of movie making ever The NOISE of the shit that those guys were landing into that day was incredible and the carnage going around them gives me so much more respect for the guys that had to do that. I've been in combat but nothing that could compare to that grinder that those guys were in. Kudos to the people who made that movie scene as real as they did.

 

[remydat]

I love Back to the Future. Especially the first two. Third one is alright. It drives me nuts when a channel will play all 3, but play the third one first. I'm like, WTF? I forgot to mention the Indiana Jones trilogy. I can watch those all day too. Not the abortion of a movie the 4th one is though. Total Recall and Predator are two more I can watch every day.

The end of Departed though, that shit got me. I was like, "Whoa. WTF just happened." Didn't see it coming, that shit was awesome.

Yeah the ending to Departed just comes out of nowhere as you are not expecting it at all. The Infernal Affairs trilogy that it's based on is really good as well if you don't mind subtitles.

Speaking of foreign films, there are a slew of martial arts films I can watch over and over but Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Hero are the two top relatively recent films that come to mind. CTHD in particular was great because I could take girls to see it and they actually got into it because of the Li Mu Bai and Yu Shien Lu's relationship. It''s also one of the few movies I legitimately have cried watching when Li Mu Bai dies. The other one being Last of the Mohicans when Uncas dies.

 

[number51]

He always was in hiding. Kint was a cover. He orchestrated the lineup at the start of the movie and then used the Kint cover to be in the lineup so he could arrange everything. Jesus dude, the scenes you see of Kint in NYC are being told to you by Kint himself and the movie ends with it being revealed he made up much of the story by using shit in the room.

Virtually the whole movie is potentially a lie told to you by Kint. And you are asking me if I watched the movie, lol. The only things we can be sure of is that there was a lineup and that a shit ton of people died. Those are verifiable facts in the movie.

This is where your entire take on the film falls apart.

He's going into hiding, never to be seen again, not because he has to, he just feels like it.

That is stupid, you are wrong, I am done.

 

[remydat]

This is where your entire take on the film falls apart.

He's going into hiding, never to be seen again, not because he has to, he just feels like it.

That is stupid, you are wrong, I am done.

You keep saying you want the convo to be over but you keep responding, lol.

He always felt like being in hiding because that is what he was doing the entire time. Hence why no one truly knows if Soze exists or not. Soze has always conducted business from the shadows. His identity and operations were at risk so he came out of the shadows using the Kint cover to kill Marquez and his enemies and now that it is done, he will go back to living in the shadows. So yes he feels like living in the shadows because that is precisely where he has been ever since he killed his family.

The movie could have easily been written as Kint being formally interviewed by the FBI and posting bail then disappearing. However, it was written where Kint was given full immunity and the interview he conducts is with a Customs Agent off the record. The whole point of the immunity deal and the fact this conversation is off the record is for the audience to understand Kint is untouchable here. He walks away with no charges against him and with no ability for Kujan or anyone to prove he is Soze and with no real leads as to where he could have gone or who he really is because the story he told Kujan was made up.

I mean I keep asking you and you keep avoiding. What do you think would happen if the movie continued? If everyone knew Kint was Soze then I would agree with you. That is the premise you started with but you and I both know this is not true which is why you have dodged the question above. The movie goes out of it's way to ensure that the only person that really knows the truth is Kujan and the movie goes out of it's way to ensure Kujan has no means to do anything with that truth because his jurisdiction is limited, he has no proof that Soze even exists, and Kint has immunity.

If you want to write the sequel where somehow Kujan is able to prove Kint is Soze, overturn the immunity deal the FBI gave Kint, joins the FBI, interpol, or some special task force, to hunt a guy that they have zero leads on then be my guest. I would quite like to watch how you convincingly change all the facts in this movie to bring Soze to justice.