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[inactiveuser1]

Just curious FT, who are your 10 better then Deng? Or if not 10 better where would you rank him

 

[JosMin]

Just curious FT, who are your 10 better then Deng? Or if not 10 better where would you rank him

I can only think of three -- LeBron, Durant, and Carmelo. I could possibly throw Paul Pierce in there. Who else could even be considered? Gerald Wallace? Nope. Rudy ***? Nope. Andre Iguodala? Nope. Gallinari, Granger? Nope.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

No. It can't..

This team hasn't won shit that means anything at this point. It can't even start to be argued until they win a Championship. Then the discussion can start

ahhh...ok...

then i guess by your opinion the 07 dallas team wasnt great?

i'm not criticizing here but i am assuming that(by your criteria) great teams basically have to win in the playoffs(though this similar bulls team did go to the conference finals last year)

whatever...again its very much a matter of opinion when you're using certain labels

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I'm officially never listening to a word you say again.

Better offensive player: Lopez (by far)
Better rebounder: Noah (extremely)
Better defensive player: Noah (Lopez may be the better pure-shot blocker)

Lopez has a case over Noah because of his scoring. Take off your homer glasses.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Just curious FT, who are your 10 better then Deng? Or if not 10 better where would you rank him

Deng is borderline top 10 of the SF's. James, Durant, Anthony, Pierce, Iguodala, *** are all better. Gerald Wallace, Gallinari, Granger, and even Marion have a solid case with Batum right there.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

rip is definitely NOT a top 10 SG...like in the 20s

boozer is not top 10...there is an argument for top 10..but not a strong one by any means

rose is top 10

deng is top 7-10

noah is probably the same as deng or lower but that doesnt mean much when you consider the center position

that said, the bulls have a really good 1-5 when healthy

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I can only think of three -- LeBron, Durant, and Carmelo. I could possibly throw Paul Pierce in there. Who else could even be considered? Gerald Wallace? Nope. Rudy ***? Nope. Andre Iguodala? Nope. Gallinari, Granger? Nope.

Please stop talking about basketball.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I am the biggest Luol Deng and Joakim Noah fan but you are overrating the hell out of them or underrating the hell out of players in their position (most likely both).

 

[JosMin]

Deng is borderline top 10 of the SF's. James, Durant, Anthony, Pierce, Iguodala, *** are all better. Gerald Wallace, Gallinari, Granger, and even Marion have a solid case with Batum right there.

Please put a pillowcase over your head and just hold your breath for about five minutes. You have got to be kidding me. So, you're telling me that if the Sixers called the Bulls and you were the GM, you would trade Iguodala straight up for Deng? Same goes with Rudy ***, the guy who missed the playoffs and his team still got to the WCF? Sure thing, pal.

And Danny Granger, the horrendously one-dimensional player who's never played 30 seconds of defense in his life? Wallace, Gallinari, Marion and Batum aren't even in the debate. Jesus tapdancing Christ, that's just a horrific assessment of talent on your part.

Like I said, I can give you Anthony, James and Durant without any argument. Pierce, a guy who's a Hall of Famer and still an effective guy on both ends of the floor, sure. I can see rating him higher than Deng. Everyone else? Not a chance.

 

[JosMin]

Better offensive player: Lopez (by far)
Better rebounder: Noah (extremely)
Better defensive player: Noah (Lopez may be the better pure-shot blocker)

Lopez has a case over Noah because of his scoring. Take off your homer glasses.

So, by your assessment... Noah is better at two out of the three things you put up there, yet Lopez is a better center... The guy who's averaging less than 4 rebounds per game. The guy who does nothing to make his team better. The guy who doesn't play defense. He blocks shots because he's fucking seven feet tall and anyone that size should get at least one block every single game.

Please quit. Just stop.

 

[thechosenone]

Rose is a top 10?Rose is a top1 PG and a top5-6 overall.

Kevin Love
LaMarcus Aldridge
Blake Griffin
Dirk Nowitzki
David Lee
Chris Bosh
Amar'e Stoudemire
Josh Smith
Pau Gasol
Carlos Boozer

You can add one or two more guys there?Maybe the legend Duncan?OK.He is a top12?lol thats not the big difference.He is a top PF in the league right now with all his weaknesses.

Rip is a top10 in playing the SG position.OK if we have in the list franchise players like Kobe or Wade then he is not a top10.But are they the classic SG?No.The only guy I know who plays the position better than Rip is Ray Allen.

Noah and Deng are top7-10 for me too.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Please put a pillowcase over your head and just hold your breath for about five minutes. You have got to be kidding me. So, you're telling me that if the Sixers called the Bulls and you were the GM, you would trade Iguodala straight up for Deng? Same goes with Rudy ***, the guy who missed the playoffs and his team still got to the WCF? Sure thing, pal.

Would I trade Deng for Iguodala? I doubt it. But do you know what would be ten times more idiotic? Trading Iggy for Deng. Iguodala can create for himself of of the dribble. Deng can't. Iggy can create for others off of the dribble. Deng sucks at that- he is a standing passer much like Boozer and Noah. Deng is a great defender and so is Iguodala. Deng is a very good rebounder but so is Iguodala. Deng is a more consistent shooter but Iguodala can get red hot at times and has a better fade away shot. Iggy is a WAY better transition player.

Iguodala > Deng.

And Danny Granger, the horrendously one-dimensional player who's never played 30 seconds of defense in his life? Wallace, Gallinari, Marion and Batum aren't even in the debate. Jesus tapdancing Christ, that's just a horrific assessment of talent on your part.

Granger is a solid all-around player. He is nowhere close to Deng on the defensive end by he can rebound. He is also one of the best shooters from any spot in the floor in the NBA. Deng isn't. Does Granger chuck it quite a bit? Yes, but most of the time, he has to.

I'm not going to say Granger > Deng but he might be.

Like I said, I can give you Anthony, James and Durant without any argument. Pierce, a guy who's a Hall of Famer and still an effective guy on both ends of the floor, sure. I can see rating him higher than Deng. Everyone else? Not a chance.

The fact that you don't think Rudy freaking *** is as good as Luol Deng shows exactly how much you know. Please stop talking.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So, by your assessment... Noah is better at two out of the three things you put up there, yet Lopez is a better center... The guy who's averaging less than 4 rebounds per game. The guy who does nothing to make his team better. The guy who doesn't play defense. He blocks shots because he's fucking seven feet tall and anyone that size should get at least one block every single game.

Please quit. Just stop.

When did I say that Lopez > Noah. You are putting words in my mouth. I said Lopez has a solid case of Noah because Lopez is SOOOO much better than Noah on the offensive end of the floor.

And let's use Lopez' size advantage to KNOCK him? Please. Stop talking.

 

[JosMin]

The fact that you don't think Rudy freaking *** is as good as Luol Deng shows exactly how much you know. Please stop talking.

Thanks for conceding Iggy and Granger. Quite frankly, I felt bad you could actually believe those two guys were better than Deng. I could see somebody formulate an argument about Rudy *** that I could potentially say, "I disagree with you, but I definitely understand how you arrive that he's a better player," yet you've still danced around that.

Rudy *** is a solid scorer, better than Deng. I will give you that. Deng can still become a more consistent option on offense, especially off the dribble. He's become to predictable and with how many shots he takes, he could prove to be a bit more efficient. Where Deng has improved in his three point shooting. If he's able to pick his spots without the ball to get more floor space, Deng could go from a solid player to a great player.

What he (***) lacks that Deng has is leadership skills (Again, this isn't even a debate. His team got to the conference finals while was a max-contract cheerleader. Rudy ***, on paper, should be the best player on his team, yet you never hear about him taking over games.) Deng is still a much better defender than ***, although *** has certainly improved since he was a rookie. My biggest problem with *** is that he doesn't draw enough fouls. He relies way too much on his midrange game. If he starts to get to the foul line more and hit some more threes, he could be an exceptional all-around player. If he does that, then yeah, he would be better than Deng.

Don't take it personal, Rami <3. You're fun to debate with.

 

[JosMin]

Lopez has a case over Noah because of his scoring.

You said it right here. Unless you didn't say that. Uh, but you did.

:elephant:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You said it right here. Unless you didn't say that. Uh, but you did.

:elephant:

It's because he does have a case over Noah. In your original statement, you said you were 'not listening to another thing I say' merely because I said 'Lopez has a case over Noah.'

Noah is very flawed offensively and Lopez is very flawed on the glass. It's not as though either of these are all-star players we are talking about. Neither deserves to be unarguably 'better than' the other.

 

[JosMin]

Both of them are limited in their own rights, I agree with that. But a center averaging less than 4 rebounds per game is just pitiful and inexcusable. Besides, Lopez is a *****. I'd much rather have Noah's 10/11/2 and his good chemistry.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Both of them are limited in their own rights, I agree with that. But a center averaging less than 4 rebounds per game is just pitiful and inexcusable. Besides, Lopez is a *****. I'd much rather have Noah's 10/11/2 and his good chemistry.

'Lopez is a *****' really isn't fair in regard to comparing he and Noah. I love Joakim Noah but he whines and bitches as much as anybody and is a pretty big hypocrite in the things he complains about. He bitched about James dancing- he dances all the time and has done it with the Bulls up big. He bitched about Garnett cheap-shotting people; he does that all the time himself.

Of course Noah is more needed on a team like the Bulls than Brook Lopez because the Bulls need all of the activeness on defense it can get at C with Boozer as a PF. And the Bulls also need dominance on the glass which Lopez doesn't give you to say the least.

 

[thechosenone]

If Noah continues playing like this then he is easily a top5 C.

20 points are 20 points
10 points 10 assists and 10 boards are 30-50 points.Why you underestimate his ability to pass the ball?This is huge when you are talking about a 7' guy.He can also run the court with the ball.

But we should try to trade him for Howard and persuade Howard to sign a long term contract.

Imagine the defense with Rose(defending like today)-Hamilton-Deng-Taj-Howard!!!!!!
Imagine the offense with Rose-Hamilton-Deng-Boozer-Howard

That would make even the Lebron fanboys shaking like a leaf

We should pack Noah,CJ Watson and MANY picks to land Howard here if someone persuade him that he will win many championships with us FOR SURE..

 

[Glide2keva]

Both of them are limited in their own rights, I agree with that. But a center averaging less than 4 rebounds per game is just pitiful and inexcusable. Besides, Lopez is a *****. I'd much rather have Noah's 10/11/2 and his good chemistry.

Noah plays for the Bulls and Lopez doesn't, so that automatically knocks Noah down, because we can't look like homers and it elevates Lopez because then we're being objective.