GOON WATCH: John Scott To The Hawks

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



The AHL is there for teams to send players to develop, not to turn it into Slapshot 2010.



I would prefer the Hawks sign the dead corpse of Bon Scott from ACDC for 500K than John Scott.[/quote]



I agree, but most teams have a enforcer type player in the minors that is there to keep an eye on everybody an play.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="TJD"]Maiden look at it this way, if he is sent to the AHL it doesn't hurt us, and if he plays 40+ games this upcoming season you have your new whipping boy!

:dance:[/quote]



I'm already preparing myself for the suck job of the player Skille to be on this roster.

I hope they give him sweater #25....................

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



I'm already preparing myself for the suck job of the player Skille to be on this roster.

I hope they give him sweater #25....................[/quote]



I've been dreading the day I have to watch no "skille" play more then 1 game a year.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="TJD"]



I've been dreading the day I have to watch no "skille" play more then 1 game a year.[/quote]



Yet you are willing to wait on Scott.





Pot meet Kettle

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Last season the Hawks lost Seabs and Campbell and Hossa to concussions resulting from some questionable hits. Some pretty good players there eh? Did any other team have three guys go down with concussions like that? I don't know the answer, but my guess is no. And remember the Keith hit last spring that gave him a concussion???



Of course we will never know, but maybe we don't have our best players getting concussions left and right if we have somebody like Scott who makes people pay for that shit. Who knows. And who's next? Kane? Toews? I think all this played a factor in this (cheap) signing.



Or maybe we just got Scott so he can beat the fucking crap out of Wiz next season and the rest of the league then gets it. If Scott played one game and all he did was destroy king ****** Wizzer, i'd be ok with that.



As far as i'm concerned the regular season is now the preseason, and the playoffs are what matters. Scott will not dress during the playoffs, only during the 82 game preseason.



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

Scott was only dressed 51 some times in the regular season.



Anyone that thinks having a goon would have stopped Ovechkin from hitting Campbell or Wiz hitting Seabrook has a screw loose. Period. Those guys don't "think twice" in a moment like that. "oh if I do this, I might get my ass kicked". LOL



The ONLY deterrent for that is Suspension. Like the "Blind Side" rule just put in place.



How long was Savard out with his concussion? There were many people that were out with concussions. Thus the NEW RULE.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]Last season the Hawks lost Seabs and Campbell and Hossa to concussions resulting from some questionable hits. Some pretty good players there eh? Did any other team have three guys go down with concussions like that? I don't know the answer, but my guess is no. And remember the Keith hit last spring that gave him a concussion???



Of course we will never know, but maybe we don't have our best players getting concussions left and right if we have somebody like Scott who makes people pay for that shit. Who knows. And who's next? Kane? Toews? I think all this played a factor in this (cheap) signing.



Or maybe we just got Scott so he can beat the fucking crap out of Wiz next season and the rest of the league then gets it. If Scott played one game and all he did was destroy king ****** Wizzer, i'd be ok with that.



As far as i'm concerned the regular season is now the preseason, and the playoffs are what matters. Scott will not dress during the playoffs, only during the 82 game preseason.



-5Minutes[/quote]



Wiz hit very questionable I'll give you that.

Mitchell on Toews was questionable? He had his head down, he knows better and admitted it.

Refresh my memory on the Hossa hit in question. I'm an older fella.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



Wiz hit very questionable I'll give you that.

Mitchell on Toews was questionable? He had his head down, he knows better and admitted it.

Refresh my memory on the Hossa hit in question. I'm an older fella.[/quote]





The last thing Wiz was thinking right before he hit Seabrook was, "If I do this I'm going to get my ass kicked down the road". Give me a break. I don't care if GOD was on the Hawks Wiz hit Seabrook in the passion of his game. He wasn't thinking. Just like Ovechkin.



Mitchelles hit was clean.

 

[the canadian dream]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]Last season the Hawks lost Seabs and Campbell and Hossa to concussions resulting from some questionable hits. Some pretty good players there eh? Did any other team have three guys go down with concussions like that? I don't know the answer, but my guess is no. And remember the Keith hit last spring that gave him a concussion???



Of course we will never know, but maybe we don't have our best players getting concussions left and right if we have somebody like Scott who makes people pay for that shit. Who knows. And who's next? Kane? Toews? I think all this played a factor in this (cheap) signing.



Or maybe we just got Scott so he can beat the fucking crap out of Wiz next season and the rest of the league then gets it. If Scott played one game and all he did was destroy king Wizzer, i'd be ok with that.



As far as i'm concerned the regular season is now the preseason, and the playoffs are what matters. Scott will not dress during the playoffs, only during the 82 game preseason.



-5Minutes[/quote]





I dont agree 5minutes. Those injuries were caused by bad hits not "running players". Those bad hits happen to every team no matter who is on their roster supposivly there to "stop it from happening". Guess what happens when you have guys like Matt Cooke who actually runs players and the other teams Goon goes after him? The Matt Cookes run away and live another day to do it again. Goons do not and never have stopped players from runnin other players and they certainly do not stop bad hitting. Only the league can stop those things from happening.



Do you really think guys wouldn't run Wayne Gretzky back in the day because they were affraid of what Marty McSorely or Somenko would do? Nope..they didn't run him because the league had a "you no run Wayne" rule. All this goon protecting players nonsense was born from the Wayner era. Before that guys just protected themselves. And they still can.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

I will admit all i know about Scott is what is in this thread. But if this thread is correct, that Scott cannot skate, that means he was brought here for one reason - to protect our skilled players and make sure it is understood if you run them there will be a price to pay. In my mind that is different than a goon who just hits the ice to look for fights for no reason. No way Q tolerates that.



Given the recent concussions to four of our best players from suspect hits, i think the signing is understandable. And keep in mind that the Hawks brass was pissed at Eager for not going after Wiz when he tried to kill Seabs.



-5Minutes

 

[roshinaya]

I don't get the deterrent argument for goons either. It's not like he can be on the ice as much as the stars to watch over them. If the opponent sees an opportunity for a run, they will take it. So someone takes a run at a star, they get injured, goon beats the crap out offender, but so what, the damage is already done. I'd much rather have a player who could fight if necessary, but fore and foremost he should be able to contribute in other ways as well, such as PK, be a good skater etc. Somehow I can't see Scott cycling the puck in the opponents end as we saw Eager, Madden and Burish do.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

[quote name="the canadian dream"]





I dont agree 5minutes. Those injuries were caused by bad hits not "running players". Those bad hits happen to every team no matter who is on their roster supposivly there to "stop it from happening". Guess what happens when you have guys like Matt Cooke who actually runs players and the other teams Goon goes after him? The Matt Cookes run away and live another day to do it again. Goons do not and never have stopped players from runnin other players and they certainly do not stop bad hitting. Only the league can stop those things from happening.



Do you really think guys wouldn't run Wayne Gretzky back in the day because they were affraid of what Marty McSorely or Somenko would do? Nope..they didn't run him because the league had a "you no run Wayne" rule. All this goon protecting players nonsense was born from the Wayner era. Before that guys just protected themselves. And they still can.[/quote]





At least until the rules changed a bit an Calgary started taking those liberties. But I agree with what you are saying.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]I will admit all i know about Scott is what is in this thread. But if this thread is correct, that Scott cannot skate, that means he was brought here for one reason - to protect our skilled players and make sure it is understood if you run them there will be a price to pay. In my mind that is different than a goon who just hits the ice to look for fights for no reason. No way Q tolerates that.



Given the recent concussions to four of our best players from suspect hits, i think the signing is understandable. And keep in mind that the Hawks brass was pissed at Eager for not going after Wiz when he tried to kill Seabs.



-5Minutes[/quote]



Like I said what players are going to care? The players are going to be more worried about being suspended now than any goon. I have yet to meet an NHL player thats afraid of getting his ass kicked actually.



You realize Wiz lost 275k for hitting Seabrook. If you asked Wiz I think he'd tell you he'd rather have had the shit kicked out of him. That new rule is going to cost ANYONE taking cheap shots to the head SERIOUS money. Hurt them where it counts, SALARY!



if that was the reasoning for Scott, they can stop now and fill the rest of the roster with useless players.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

[quote name="Maiden"]Wiz hit very questionable I'll give you that. Mitchell on Toews was questionable? He had his head down, he knows better and admitted it.

Refresh my memory on the Hossa hit in question. I'm an older fella.[/quote]

I'm probably older. I barely remember it, i don't even remember the team or player. But it was right before the olympic break, Hoss gets blindsided. it was an ugly hit. And actually if i remember did actually Seabs challenge the guy??? What i remember most was the look on Q's face when Hossa barely skated back to the bench and walked to the locker room. But Hossa only missed a few games as i recall and played in all the olympic games.



Look folks, Scott was brought here for a reason. I'm trying my best to figure out what it was. You guys say he can't skate, so why do you think he was brought here? We know that Q will crucify anybody who takes dumb penalties. No way was he brought here to just be a stupid goon. That is my humble opinion.



-5Minutes

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]This guy is a bad ass.[/quote]



Okay, he can fight, but can he play?



Someone mentioned him being signed because the team needed another slow D-man like Sopel.



Can he block shots like Sopel? Or kill penalties like Sopel? If not, he's not going to take over for Sopel, slow or not.



Fighters (goons) aren't going to win a team many games, if any. The days of the Broad Street Follies are long gone.

 

[the canadian dream]

Fair enough.



Scott has a lot of time to win over us fickle fans lol. He won't be the first to do it with me that's for sure. And hell haven't even seen the guy play a game yet for the Hawks.



When Scott uses his big body and big reach to make a nice defensive play I will jump on the Scott wagon lol. That's all I expect from a big guy like Scott. Use what you got for some good.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



Okay, he can fight, but can he play?



Someone mentioned him being signed because the team needed another slow D-man like Sopel.



Can he block shots like Sopel? Or kill penalties like Sopel? If not, he's not going to take over for Sopel, slow or not.



Fighters (goons) aren't going to win a team many games, if any. The days of the Broad Street Follies are long gone.[/quote]



If Sopel made 1/2 of what he did he would still be here, unfortunatly in cap world #5 dman cant make 2.3 million. Ask Barker.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="the canadian dream"]



Do you really think guys wouldn't run Wayne Gretzky back in the day because they were affraid of what Marty McSorely or Somenko would do? Nope..they didn't run him because the league had a "you no run Wayne" rule. All this goon protecting players nonsense was born from the Wayner era. Before that guys just protected themselves. And they still can.[/quote]



I must respectfully disagree TCD. The goonery began with the Flyers in the early 70's.



They just ran at everyone and the rules at that time weren't written to deal with a bunch of goons going batshit.



So teams started signing goon types to deal with teams that had goons like Schultz, Kelly and so on.



I will always believe that the "Wayne Rule" was created partially because of him speaking out against fighting and the overabundance of goons in the NHL.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="Maiden"]



If Sopel made 1/2 of what he did he would still be here, unfortunatly in cap world #5 dman cant make 2.3 million. Ask Barker.[/quote]



It's obvious why Sopel was unloaded but my point was that I can't see the comparison between Sopel and Scott.



As was previously stated, time will tell. If he can play, then it's all good. If all he can do is fight, it really was a waste to sign him.

 

[the canadian dream]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



I must respectfully disagree TCD. The goonery began with the Flyers in the early 70's.



They just ran at everyone and the rules at that time weren't written to deal with a bunch of goons going batshit.



So teams started signing goon types to deal with teams that had goons like Schultz, Kelly and so on.[/quote]



ahhhh you are probably more accurate than me on that assessment.