GOON WATCH: John Scott To The Hawks

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="the canadian dream"]



ahhhh you are probably more accurate than me on that assessment.[/quote]



Yeah dude, only because I'm a lot older than you....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

God I can't wait for him to beat the living shit out of Jackman/Janssen/Burrows/Carcillo/Hartnell. If I see any of you giving any inkling of props to Scott, you're banned.



**** YOU.



Man... some people are so dumb.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="TJD"]A guy making the league minimum who more or less is a Walker type player and it's a bullshit signing?



I'm sorry you guys wanted Kovalchuk on the team but for fucksake we can't get those type of guys.



PSR there is no way Ladd was going to take 500k or 750K a year. Come on!



Also who said he was a one dimensional, solid goon? Did SB not say if you want to play for the Hawks you have to be able to skate a regular shift? How many people here have seen him play more then a game or two? It seems like since we lost Eager, Burish and Fraser who brought some "toughness" on the 4th line are gone, so why not sign a guy to the league minimum who can play that tough guy role. If he gets scratched for 82 games in the season it's 500K against the cap, which can be sent to the AHL and never dealt with again.[/quote]

Dude, obviously I wasn't saying Ladd for 500-750K, I was sayin in the 2 mil+ he's gonna make, could 500k-750k make him stay? I think it was plausible, but obviously I have no connection to what going on, I still stand by this signing as bullshit.



BTW, I'm hamered, so excse any bullshit I say. But Scott is bullshit and goons are dead, that I'l stand by.

 

[roshinaya]

After sleeping on it, I still don't like this signing. So what if it's cheap. There's now 500k less to play with in signing Hammer and Niemi. And for what, a useless goon. Woohoo, he can beat up Jackman/Janssen/Burrows/Carcillo/Hartnell, how does that help your team win? Scott is more likely to cause opportunities for the opponent with his slow skating, zero hockey sense and dumb penalties. No matter how you slice and dice it, it's a shit signing.

And he is nowhere near a replacement for the bottom guys lost. They were tough, but they could also play hockey and contribute. Eager could skate and had a good shot, Fraser and Burish were good workers and could PK. This Scott fellow can only fight.

I'll wait until I see him in action, but right now this is a shit signing.



IMO

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="phranchk"]

1 million over 2 years.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagoblackhawks/post/_/id/4663801/source-hawks-add-enforcer-scott[/quote]Thanks phranck....all the trackers I saw said it was a 1 yr deal

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="R K"]...Is it a waste of 500k we really don't have, we'll see.[/quote]

This. But my guess is that it IS a waste of 500K...

 

[Larmer83]

Took a little time to find, some Wild fans responses to a question on Scott on the HF Boards in January of this year.

He's an essentually a Derek Boogaard that plays defense.



Big, nasty, and mean. But has not a lick of hockey sense or skills. He's fine as a 6th/7th defenseman if your team is in need of some toughness, but if that's not needed there's really no point of having him. He's a liability on the ice so if you don't plan on the game getting a little chippy, it's not a good idea to dress him.



Scott's future with the Wild is likely going to be coming to an end fairly soon depending on what they do at the deadline. Burns is going to be coming back relatively soon and even Clayton Stoner is a much better option in almost every phase over Scott. Zidlicky and perhaps even Johnsson will likely be moved and depending on what the Wild recieve in return, they'll may have no use or space for Scott.



I'd expect to see John Scott waived sometime between now and the deadline. Very vague, I know, but it will all depend on how things shake out. A playoff team in need of some toughness will likely pick him up, but he really holds no value in a trade.

I was just laughing at a recent box score - Scott was a -3 in less than 6 minutes of icetime. That takes some work!



I think he'd be better off playing on the wing. You can't afford to have a huge liability on the blueline IMO, unless the team is dressing 7 d-men. And Scott's nowhere solid enough defensively that you'd want him out there even 15 minutes per game.

He sometimes plays wing too, and IMO, he's better at the little fundamentals than Boogaard, but he's not gonna get you very many points.

 

[EspoForever]

[quote name="roshinaya"]After sleeping on it, I still don't like this signing. So what if it's cheap. There's now 500k less to play with in signing Hammer and Niemi. And for what, a useless goon. Woohoo, he can beat up Jackman/Janssen/Burrows/Carcillo/Hartnell, how does that help your team win? Scott is more likely to cause opportunities for the opponent with his slow skating, zero hockey sense and dumb penalties. No matter how you slice and dice it, it's a shit signing.

And he is nowhere near a replacement for the bottom guys lost. They were tough, but they could also play hockey and contribute. Eager could skate and had a good shot, Fraser and Burish were good workers and could PK. This Scott fellow can only fight.

I'll wait until I see him in action, but right now this is a shit signing.



IMO[/quote]

We have to dress 20 guys a night. We have 11-12 signed right now, so we need some plumbers making 500k. Is that not just about at the minimum price you can pay an NHL player per the CBA??



I know this guys is NOT a good hockey player, but he does fill a role we BADLY needed and that is to keep guys like Wiz and Willie Mitchell from doing what they did to Seabs and Tazer last year. He's like the nuclear warhead you don't want to need to use. He helps your $6M players stay healthy at the lowest possible price you can pay for a player.



As a player though...nope. I have seen this guy play lot over the years because I attended Michigan Tech and so did he, so I watched him play quite a few times over his college years. But hey--Tony Esposito went to MTU also! (Just the kind of useless fact "EspoForever" would tell you.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]

Dude, obviously I wasn't saying Ladd for 500-750K, I was sayin in the 2 mil+ he's gonna make, could 500k-750k make him stay? I think it was plausible, but obviously I have no connection to what going on, I still stand by this signing as bullshit.



BTW, I'm hamered, so excse any bullshit I say. But Scott is bullshit and goons are dead, that I'l stand by.[/quote]



haha I honestly didn't know if that's what you meant, I was just checking...

 

[Tater]

[quote name="roshinaya"]I don't get the deterrent argument for goons either. It's not like he can be on the ice as much as the stars to watch over them. If the opponent sees an opportunity for a run, they will take it. So someone takes a run at a star, they get injured, goon beats the crap out offender, but so what, the damage is already done. I'd much rather have a player who could fight if necessary, but fore and foremost he should be able to contribute in other ways as well, such as PK, be a good skater etc. Somehow I can't see Scott cycling the puck in the opponents end as we saw Eager, Madden and Burish do.[/quote]



I think everyone would prefer that, I know I would. But for 500k, there's not too much real talent available.

If the low price tag helps keep Niemi and Hjalphabet, I'm not going to complain.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="EspoForever"]

We have to dress 20 guys a night. We have 11-12 signed right now, so we need some plumbers making 500k. Is that not just about at the minimum price you can pay an NHL player per the CBA??



I know this guys is NOT a good hockey player, but he does fill a role we BADLY needed and that is to keep guys like Wiz and Willie Mitchell from doing what they did to Seabs and Tazer last year. He's like the nuclear warhead you don't want to need to use. He helps your $6M players stay healthy at the lowest possible price you can pay for a player.



As a player though...nope. I have seen this guy play lot over the years because I attended Michigan Tech and so did he, so I watched him play quite a few times over his college years. But hey--Tony Esposito went to MTU also! (Just the kind of useless fact "EspoForever" would tell you.[/quote]



Again, if you think having a guy like Scott is going to deter guys like Wiz and even Mitchell (which was a clean hit all the way) from doing what they did, I have some land slightly under water for sale. It's not. The ONLY thing that will deter hits like Wiz is the following suspension and loss of massive amounts of money. I will say for fact the next time Wiz is in that situation he will not make the same choice. You know why? Because it cost him about 275 THOUSAND DOLLARS.



The enforcer, I'm going to kick your ass guys are a dying breed in the new fast, score, forcheck, NHL. Period.



Signing or no, you have a Koci who can fight now. Good for us. Yay!

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Larmer83"]Took a little time to find, some Wild fans responses to a question on Scott on the HF Boards in January of this year.









[/quote]



"but if that's not needed there's really no point of having him. He's a liability on the ice so if you don't plan on the game getting a little chippy, it's not a good idea to dress him."



No KIDDING! Great he'll play for the 6 St. Louis games.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]God I can't wait for him to beat the living shit out of Jackman/Janssen/Burrows/Carcillo/Hartnell. If I see any of you giving any inkling of props to Scott, you're banned.



**** YOU.



Man... some people are so dumb.[/quote]



Burrows? You need Scott to beat the shit out of Burrows? Seriously?



so you have him playing against the Blues, because dude Carcillo and Hartnell are in teh EASTERN CONFERENCE. We play them twice and in the last EIGHT games against them there were NO FIGHTS! Nor were there any CHEAP hits!

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="bierboy"]

This. But my guess is that it IS a waste of 500K...[/quote]

Most of the time when a contract is 500K, that money is being wasted-- no matter what that player does.

 

[DBQHawkFan]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

Most of the time when a contract is 500K, that money is being wasted-- no matter what that player does.[/quote]



Cullimore is making $500K. Even if he only skates a couple of games, if he keeps Cullimore off the big club, I am happy!!!!

 

[Guest]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

Most of the time when a contract is 500K, that money is being wasted-- no matter what that player does.[/quote]



True, but we're gonna have a couple of those guys on the roster because we can't afford 1-2 million dollar FA's until we have Niemi and Hammer signed and we know we have some space.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="TJD"]



True, but we're gonna have a couple of those guys on the roster because we can't afford 1-2 million dollar FA's until we have Niemi and Hammer signed and we know we have some space.[/quote]





Sure but John Scott is not one of them. He can't skate. He can contribute to NOTHING but fighting. And we sure do play a lot of teams that have a legit fighter. Oh wait..

 

[Guest]

And to add now is the time the Hawks will go out and find some older guys with talent that one would like to win again, and two fill in holes we need. There is not much missing once they sign Niemi and Hjarlmarsson.



Two forwards and a defenseman.

 

[Ton]

I agree Ron, I don't like the Scott signing. I hope Bowman does better today because yesterday truly was a downer. Disappointing to see Ladd go (although if Bowman was confident that he was going to get an offer sheet that would be hard to match perhaps its better this way)... and then seeing Scott signed, makes me scratch my head.



Plenty of holes in this line-up... as of right now Brouwer and Kopecky line up as our top two LW... YIKES!

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Ton"]I agree Ron, I don't like the Scott signing. I hope Bowman does better today because yesterday truly was a downer. Disappointing to see Ladd go (although if Bowman was confident that he was going to get an offer sheet that would be hard to match perhaps its better this way)... and then seeing Scott signed, makes me scratch my head.



Plenty of holes in this line-up... as of right now Brouwer and Kopecky line up as our top two LW... YIKES![/quote]



Kovalchuk?