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[scottiepippen1994]

I'll be so hurt if you don't accept my friend request

If not putting Pippen on a pedestal is my "agenda," you have me.

And the winner is..............

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Deng Defense Force.

Its official, Pippen is a franchise player.

 

[nwfisch]

So SP1994, you admit that you put Pippen higher than he should be.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

So SP1994, you admit that you put Pippen higher than he should be.

Absolutely not.
Pippen was the best small forward of the whole 90s.
Pippen was also a franchise player.
Pippen was also one of the top 3 defenders of the 90s..
Pippen was an mvp canadate numerous times.
Pippen was one of the best all around players to ever pplay the game.
My standards are exactly the same.
Thanks for asking.

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Pippen was a franchise player..

 

[nwfisch]

Pippen was not a franchise player

If he was, he would have been getting the last shot when Jordan "retired."

 

[houheffna]

Even then it's a tough call. The Bulls obviously were going to try and continue to buid around Pippen once MJ retired. So did the Bulls try and build around Pippen? Of course. By that narrow definition I guess he is a franchise player but that was such a short window of time that it's tough to judge results of what that building would have done and if the Pippen as a franchise player experience would have worked.

I lean more "yes" than "no" on the Pippen as a franchise player. I guess I'd slot him in the second tier of "franchise players" behind the obvious ones like Bird, Magic, MJ, Russell, etc.

If that makes any sense.

I can accept that from one of the few objective thinkers on this forum.

Physically I can see it more than mentally. Though I still think you would have to have a player better than Pippen to set yourself up to win titles.

Didn't the Bulls try to trade Pip right after the 1994 season for Shawn Kemp...and Seattle reneged? I don't know how true that was but the deal was imminent the night before...I believe that was the Grant Hill/Jason Kidd draft...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I love how all of the Pippen "haters" and the on-Pippen's-balls people are pretty much in agreement with each other.

This is a back and forth Special person argument. Houheffna, Nich, and I will say something and the rebuttal from 97Bulls, Scottiepippen1994, and DDF never contradicts anything that has been said.

It's basically just 'bu-bu-but Pippen was a great player. How DARE you say that he wasn't God! You're not a Bulls' fan!'

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

at some point in the argument, it boils down to semantics

 

[scottiepippen1994]

According to this forums poll, pippen is a franchise player..majority rules in favor of yes.
Nice try.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

According to this forums poll, pippen is a franchise player..majority rules in favor of yes.
Nice try.

Most people thought George W. Bush would be a better president than John F. Kerry. And we all saw how right they were.

Majority proves everything after all.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Most people thought George W. Bush would be a better president than John F. Kerry. And we all saw how right they were.

Majority proves everything after all.

That has nothing to do with this thread or sports.
I just stated the facts about the poll that was put up earlier.
It seems the op of that thread thought most would vote no but it didn't work out that way..LMAO!!

Pleae keep this sports related and take the Goerge Bush talk to the bar in the best interest of the bulls board.

I hate Goerge Bush by the way.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

That has nothing to do with this thread or sports.
I just stated the facts about the poll that was put up earlier.
It seems the op of that thread thought most would vote no but it didn't work out that way..LMAO!!

Pleae keep this sports related and take the Goerge Bush talk to the bar in the best interest of the bulls board.

I hate Goerge Bush by the way.

You missed the point. The concept remains the same: just because the majority believes it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Just because you think Pippen isn't a franchise player doesn't mean he isn't.

 

[houheffna]

I also forgott to mention that although pippen didn't win dpoy in 95, he was second.

But he had the highest votes for the all nba defense team. The dpoy award is voted on by the media, the all defense team is voted by coaches. Which one do you respect more?

That was because of the position he represented...not because he was the best defender in basketball.

You have to remember that from the time of Dominique and Bird's prime to the rise of Grant Hill, small forwards of any worth were few and far between.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The all defensive teams are a joke on nearly a yearly basis.

 

[Deng Defense Force]

I love how all of the Pippen "haters" and the on-Pippen's-balls people are pretty much in agreement with each other.

This is a back and forth Special person argument. Houheffna, Nich, and I will say something and the rebuttal from 97Bulls, Scottiepippen1994, and DDF never contradicts anything that has been said.

It's basically just 'bu-bu-but Pippen was a great player. How DARE you say that he wasn't God! You're not a Bulls' fan!'

1. Don't put my name in with them, I point out contradictions and quote them. If your going to do the same atleast try to back it up next time.

2. When have I ever said he was God? I have hardly ever even mentioned Pippen on this site.

After 30+ pages of you just completely bashing Pippen I finally post something and now I'm on the Pippen-balls?

That's the difference between you and me. I understand likeing one player on a team doesn't mean I have to hate the other player of equal or greater value.

You, like everyone else in the world thinks Jordan was the best player on the Bulls. The only difference is everyone else can think that and also like Pippen while you seem to think because Jordan was the greatest you must dedicate your entire existence on this site to bashing Pippen to no end.

That is the true definition of a Hater.

If you don't think he was a franchise player then that is your opinion and me having the opposite doesn't make me a Pippen lover.

Unfortunately, you and Houh hate without reason.

I, on the otherhand just think Pippen is a franchise player but don't feel the need to endlessly post on how amazing he is unlike the way you endlessly bash him.

You would have known I rarely have ever mentioned Pippen and haven't bashed another member for criticizing him until now if you had bothered to read my post history.

So I suggest you do some research next time you open your mouth.

 

[97Bulls]

That was because of the position he represented...not because he was the best defender in basketball.

You have to remember that from the time of Dominique and Bird's prime to the rise of Grant Hill, small forwards of any worth were few and far between.

The all defense team awards two guards and two forwards along with a center. It doesn't go by PG, SG, SF, PF, and center. Same with the all nba team.

 

[Deng Defense Force]

The all defense team awards two guards and two forwards along with a center. It doesn't go by PG, SG, SF, PF, and center. Same with the all nba team.

Oh my, facts. The number one enemy of haters.

 

[Deng Defense Force]

Pippen was not a franchise player

If he was, he would have been getting the last shot when Jordan "retired."

So Toni Kukoc was the franchise player? I seem to remember him getting the last shot alot.

I guess that also makes Kerr and Paxson the franchise players when they hit title winning shots.

I guess Phil Jackson just didn't think that highly of Jordan.

And who other than Jordan has taken and hit more game winning shots for the Bulls than Gordon?

I don't recall anyone calling him the franchise player.

 

[nwfisch]

So Toni Kukoc was the franchise player? I seem to remember him getting the last shot alot.

I guess that also makes Kerr and Paxson the franchise players when they hit title winning shots.

I guess Phil Jackson just didn't think that highly of Jordan.

And who other than Jordan has taken and hit more game winning shots for the Bulls than Gordon?

I don't recall anyone calling him the franchise player.

:smoke:

I can't honestly believe that people think Pippen was the Bulls franchise player.

If he was, the Bulls wouldn't have 6 titles in the rafters at United Center right now.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

It just makes my side hurt when I laugh at all the youngsters that were to young to have any idea of what there talking about consistantly bashing one of the greatest all around players to ever play this game....And who also happened to be a franchise player.

I AM A WITNESS WHO SAW 90% OF ALL BULLS GAMES IN THE 90S.......YOU ARE NOT A WITNESS SO DON'T SPEAK ON WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW....IT IS INSULTING TO GROWN FOLKS LIKE MYSELF...YOU MISSED THE GREATEST BULLS ERA IN HISTORY....DON'T BE MAD AT ME BECAUSE YOU WERE PLAYING WITH TINKER TOYS GETTING YOUR DIAPERS CHANGED AT THE TIME.....The only games you whipper snappers could possibly have memory of is 1998 (the end) when Jordan and Pip were well passed there prime.....Most of you missed the first 3 peat or were still swimming around inside your daddys nuts.......LMAO!!!!!!