Greatest team ever/Greatest bulls team ever

[FirstTimer]

Changing subject won't help you now.

Pot meet kettle.

Your obsession with diddling fisch worries me.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Scottie Pippen was a franchise player.
:derbulls::derbulls::derbulls::derbulls::derbulls::derbulls:

 

[nwfisch]

I'm considering removing my picture from the site so DDF doesn't find me. :tiptoe:

 

[Deng Defense Force]

I'm considering removing my picture from the site so DDF doesn't find me. :tiptoe:

I though you found me. After all it was you who came looking for me. I heard your cries for help in your friend request. Its ok, just go to the police and tell them what you told me. You don't have to pretend, he can't hurt you anymore so please stop contacting me. It's in the hands of the law now.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

keep in your pants people

jesus

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I love how the same people that are quick to bring up championships to elevate/dismiss player(s) are the exact same ones who are saying Jordan would have no championships without Pippen.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I love how the same people that are quick to bring up championships to elevate/dismiss player(s) are the exact same ones who are saying Jordan would have no championships without Pippen.

I'm sure Jordan would of had a championship or two without Pippen, but absolutely not six...

That fact is, Jordan had 0 rings without Pippen and Pippen had 0 rings without Jordan.

Another fact is Pippen came very close in 1994 and 2000. Hue Hollins call in 94 and only a bad fourth quarter away from the finals in 2000.

How many times was Jordan close without Pippen??????? ZERO!!!!

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'm sure Jordan would of had a championship or two without Pippen, but absolutely not six...

That fact is, Jordan had 0 rings without Pippen and Pippen had 0 rings without Jordan.

Another fact is Pippen came very close in 1994 and 2000. Hue Hollins call in 94 and only a bad fourth quarter away from the finals in 2000.

How many times was Jordan close without Pippen??????? ZERO!!!!

true...but sample size and circumstances

jordan didnt have pippen in his early years where the bulls had to get through boston and detroit..and the bulls were still building

would the bulls have been as dominant without pippen? absolutely not

but i think jordan would have won a couple of championships

the other way around with pippen...i cant really say...i think jordan and pippen learned a lot of tricks from each other

but overall i think pippen learned more from jordan than vice versa as a younger pupil and sidekick

 

[scottiepippen1994]

true...but sample size and circumstances

jordan didnt have pippen in his early years where the bulls had to get through boston and detroit..and the bulls were still building

would the bulls have been as dominant without pippen? absolutely not

but i think jordan would have won a couple of championships

the other way around with pippen...i cant really say...i think jordan and pippen learned a lot of tricks from each other

but overall i think pippen learned more from jordan than vice versa as a younger pupil and sidekick

I agree with most your statement...but don't forget that Pippen was much more than a sidekick.

 

[97Bulls]

true...but sample size and circumstances

jordan didnt have pippen in his early years where the bulls had to get through boston and detroit..and the bulls were still building

would the bulls have been as dominant without pippen? absolutely not

but i think jordan would have won a couple of championships

the other way around with pippen...i cant really say...i think jordan and pippen learned a lot of tricks from each other

but overall i think pippen learned more from jordan than vice versa as a younger pupil and sidekick

The circumstances I can agree with. But the sample size? He had more chances than pippen did.

 

[houheffna]

I think what is being missed here is talent...one was supremely talented over the other. To compare the two's abilities to lead a team to a title and then to state that the lesser talented wasn't as successful as the main guy merely because of a lack of opportunity is incredibly naive. One was a much better player than the other, and in my opinion, one was much more equipped to lead a team to a title on the court than the other.

 

[97Bulls]

I think what is being missed here is talent...one was supremely talented over the other. To compare the two's abilities to lead a team to a title and then to state that the lesser talented wasn't as successful as the main guy merely because of a lack of opportunity is incredibly naive. One was a much better player than the other, and in my opinion, one was much more equipped to lead a team to a title on the court than the other.

I think a poster on here said it best when they said there's different levels of franchise players. Jordan, Magic, Jabaar, Russell, Duncan, Wilt, and Olajuwan are 1st level types.

Players like Malone, Barkley, Robinson, Bryant, are in the second tier. Id put pippen in this level. Obviously this is only based on what I saw from his two seasons as the man. I see no reason he couldn't be a magic johnson type player that distributed the ball and picked his spots. Or why he could do what kobe has done with the best talent in the league. There's no reason to believe that giiven 4 years and the best team, that he wouldn't get an mvp and a dpoy.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The circumstances I can agree with. But the sample size? He had more chances than pippen did.

ya but we're considering a span of what? 2-3 years?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I think a poster on here said it best when they said there's different levels of franchise players. Jordan, Magic, Jabaar, Russell, Duncan, Wilt, and Olajuwan are 1st level types.

Players like Malone, Barkley, Robinson, Bryant, are in the second tier. Id put pippen in this level. Obviously this is only based on what I saw from his two seasons as the man. I see no reason he couldn't be a magic johnson type player that distributed the ball and picked his spots. Or why he could do what kobe has done with the best talent in the league. There's no reason to believe that giiven 4 years and the best team, that he wouldn't get an mvp and a dpoy.

i hate kobe but why is he in the second tier...because he cant get it done without good talent?

i'd put shaq in first tier as well

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think a poster on here said it best when they said there's different levels of franchise players. Jordan, Magic, Jabaar, Russell, Duncan, Wilt, and Olajuwan are 1st level types.

Players like Malone, Barkley, Robinson, Bryant, are in the second tier. Id put pippen in this level. Obviously this is only based on what I saw from his two seasons as the man. I see no reason he couldn't be a magic johnson type player that distributed the ball and picked his spots. Or why he could do what kobe has done with the best talent in the league. There's no reason to believe that giiven 4 years and the best team, that he wouldn't get an mvp and a dpoy.

Bryant and Karl Malone are NOT in that tier. He is in the one with Duncan/LeBron James/KG/Shaq. Jordan is practically in a tier by himself.

 

[97Bulls]

ya but we're considering a span of what? 2-3 years?

I've always maintained that regardless, jordan just didn't have the talent around him to compete against the great 80s teams. So he could've had 10 years, if he didn't have at least a top 5 team around him, I don't hold it against him.

And I feel that all players should be looked at like this.

 

[97Bulls]

i hate kobe but why is he in the second tier...because he cant get it done without good talent?

i'd put shaq in first tier as well

I think kobe bryant is the most overrated of the all-time greats. His fg% iin his 6 finals are abysmal. He's shot 37%, 42%, 51%, 38%, 41%, 43%, and 41%. Pippen couldve done this.

And for those that are so big on being able to take over games and be clutch, in game 7 of the 10 finals, kobe shot 6-22. Remember the 08 finals vs the celtics when the celtics overcame a 25 pts deficit to win game 4 I believe it was... and then got shalacked in game 6.

You wanna talk about quitting? How bout the 07 playeoffs vs the suns? Or when he went on the air and demanded a trade cuz he felt the lakers weren't putting the best talent around him.

He's a product of being on a great team. Go compare his first two rosters when shaq left vs pippen rosters when jordan left.

Kobe bryant is just a product of being on the best and most talented teams during his teams championship runs. In some cases, the lakers have won in spite of him.

Surround Pippen with the best talent and biigs in the league and I guarantee you he could led a team to a championship while shooting 39%.

And I don't know how Shaq could've slipped my mind

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I think kobe bryant is the most overrated of the all-time greats. His fg% iin his 6 finals are abysmal. He's shot 37%, 42%, 51%, 38%, 41%, 43%, and 41%. Pippen couldve done this.

And for those that are so big on being able to take over games and be clutch, in game 7 of the 10 finals, kobe shot 6-22. Remember the 08 finals vs the celtics when the celtics overcame a 25 pts deficit to win game 4 I believe it was... and then got shalacked in game 6.

You wanna talk about quitting? How bout the 07 playeoffs vs the suns? Or when he went on the air and demanded a trade cuz he felt the lakers weren't putting the best talent around him.

He's a product of being on a great team. Go compare his first two rosters when shaq left vs pippen rosters when jordan left.

Kobe bryant is just a product of being on the best and most talented teams during his teams championship runs. In some cases, the lakers have won in spite of him.

Surround Pippen with the best talent and biigs in the league and I guarantee you he could led a team to a championship while shooting 39%.

And I don't know how Shaq could've slipped my mind

i dont think dirk shot great in these finals IIRC

and low 40s is meh but it isnt abysmal

kobe overall plays pretty well in the finals(he may not shoot terribly well( kobe is not a notably great shooter overall) but he has the ability to carry his team offensively and defensively

he has led the lakers to two championships as the leader

but i do think he is a bit overrated

he is borderline first tier imo

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I think kobe bryant is the most overrated of the all-time greats. His fg% iin his 6 finals are abysmal. He's shot 37%, 42%, 51%, 38%, 41%, 43%, and 41%. Pippen couldve done this.

And for those that are so big on being able to take over games and be clutch, in game 7 of the 10 finals, kobe shot 6-22. Remember the 08 finals vs the celtics when the celtics overcame a 25 pts deficit to win game 4 I believe it was... and then got shalacked in game 6.

You wanna talk about quitting? How bout the 07 playeoffs vs the suns? Or when he went on the air and demanded a trade cuz he felt the lakers weren't putting the best talent around him.

He's a product of being on a great team. Go compare his first two rosters when shaq left vs pippen rosters when jordan left.

Kobe bryant is just a product of being on the best and most talented teams during his teams championship runs. In some cases, the lakers have won in spite of him.

Surround Pippen with the best talent and biigs in the league and I guarantee you he could led a team to a championship while shooting 39%.

And I don't know how Shaq could've slipped my mind

Don't forget that Kobe had a silver spoon when he entered the league..The 97-98 Lakers were already a contender..Plus I remeber the media hyping him up to be the next Jordan before he played..........Pippen had no silver spoon and noone even knew who he was..

 

[97Bulls]

i dont think dirk shot great in these finals IIRC

and low 40s is meh but it isnt abysmal

kobe overall plays pretty well in the finals(he may not shoot terribly well( kobe is not a notably great shooter overall) but he has the ability to carry his team offensively and defensively

he has led the lakers to two championships as the leader

but i do think he is a bit overrated

he is borderline first tier imo

A couple of those fiinals, he shot 37 and 38 percent. He's a classic case of what overrated is. I only put him in the second tier because he has won 5 championships. But again, how many scoring SGs worth salt couldn't just put up a bunch of shots and basically win due to dominant bigs?

I honestly feel he sabotaged the lakers in 04. Shaq could avg 40 ppg had kobe not repeatedly went into hero mode and continuously shoot the lakers out the game. In one of phil jacksons books, he called bryant uncoachable and wanted to trade him away.