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[97Bulls]

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Homer



That is horrible reasoning. The Celtics were slowed by injuries and age after their last title and STILL beat the Pistons.



The Lakers were depleted and old and injured by the time 1991 rolled around. The Bulls were flat out better than the Pistons but the Pistons were nowhere near as good as the '87 Lakers or '86 Celtics.

Don't call my basketball knowledge into question. I definitely know tons more than you. And that isn't being arrogant. You are just making some obvious homer claims.

The lakers weren't depleted and old. And if your refering to worthy, he wasn't injured until game 4. The bulls had the series well in hand by then.

And I feel the pistons were on the lakers and celtics level. They lost a heartbreaking series to the celtics in 87 and were up in game 6 by 7 vs the lakers in 88 when thomas spranied his foot.

 

[houheffna]

Like I said before heff. Your really a sub par poster, and again I question your loyalty as a bull.

And you are really an idiot, who has nothing to offer but silly Pippen arguments....its why certain people have blocked you. You came on here arguing the same crap you argued on other forums years ago. Grow up. Nobody thinks of Pippen the way you do...and you question loyalty because of views inconsistent to yours.

So a guy not born in the 1980's shouldn't talk about basketball in the 1980's...what are you Amish? Hello...youtube, cable television? People don't have to be born when a player played to make sound analysis...they have this thing called video...

Try to bring something reasonable to the table besides "Pippen is better than everybody else and if you don't agree with me you are not a Bulls fan"...get a clue and a new hobby...

No I don't have to play pickup basketball to know NBA basketball..you seem to have all of these qualifiers for opinions on these subjects...as if you are more qualified than anybody else. Give it a rest.

Coming in 4th in MVP doesn't make you a franchise player...find out what one is...or maybe they don't have franchise caliber players in the rec league you run around in. Robert Parish once came in 4th in MVP voting...I don't think he was a franchise player type either. And Pippen being runner up for DPOY...means nothing when it comes to being at the helm of a franchise. You lack knowledge of the game brother...learn the game.

Another dumbass statement you made is Pippen doing a better job with the Bulls than Jordan...Jordan was the man for 6 titles...Pippen played sidekick to him...you are the only person in Chicago that DOESN'T know that. But then again, you play pick up basketball...give me a break.

By the way...someone who actually stated before being corrected that Jordan was not a winner, shouldn't call ANYBODY a sub par poster, and shouldn't be called a Bulls fan..

I question your loyalty as a Bulls fan, I question your knowledge of the game...and I question your maturity.

 

[Gunzaan]

So a guy not born in the 1980's shouldn't talk about basketball in the 1980's...what are you Amish? Hello...youtube, cable television? People don't have to be born when a player played to make sound analysis...they have this thing called video...

I am absolutely not a part of this argument at all.

Not at all.

But, there is something to a person not living through an experience. People are full of sh** if they think that watching a youtube highlight video is actually analyzing someone's play by watching every game they played. There are a few select people on this board that think they are the end-all of basketball knowledge. Sadly, that just isn't the case. Watching a few playoff videos doesn't make that person an expert.

Unfortunately, there are a select few on this board that think they know everything (and I'm not even talking about you, houf), yet they have no clue because they didn't experience that generation of basketball.

 

[Deng Defense Force]

Does anyone know where I can get tickets to the Arrogance Convention?

 

[97Bulls]

And you are really an idiot, who has nothing to offer but silly Pippen arguments....its why certain people have blocked you. You came on here arguing the same crap you argued on other forums years ago. Grow up. Nobody thinks of Pippen the way you do...and you question loyalty because of views inconsistent to yours.
again, I question you due to the conflicting point of views. How can a bulls fan knock pippen in his mid 30s with a bad back but then defend bird when he's younger? Please tell me.


So a guy not born in the 1980's shouldn't talk about basketball in the 1980's...what are you Amish? Hello...youtube, cable television? People don't have to be born when a player played to make sound analysis...they have this thing called video...
why don't you let rami defend rami?


Try to bring something reasonable to the table besides "Pippen is better than everybody else and if you don't agree with me you are not a Bulls fan"...get a clue and a new hobby...
why don't you come out the friggn closet and admit your a jordan fan. Not a bulls fan.

No I don't have to play pickup basketball to know NBA basketball..you seem to have all of these qualifiers for opinions on these subjects...as if you are more qualified than anybody else. Give it a rest.

Coming in 4th in MVP doesn't make you a franchise player...find out what one is...or maybe they don't have franchise caliber players in the rec league you run around in. Robert Parish once came in 4th in MVP voting...I don't think he was a franchise player type either. And Pippen being runner up for DPOY...means nothing when it comes to being at the helm of a franchise. You lack knowledge of the game brother...learn the game.
why don't you ask sam smith what the definition of a franchise player is. Or maybe that guy that told you what the definition of clutch is

Another dumbass statement you made is Pippen doing a better job with the Bulls than Jordan...Jordan was the man for 6 titles...Pippen played sidekick to him...you are the only person in Chicago that DOESN'T know that. But then again, you play pick up basketball...give me a break.
when did I say jordan wasn't the man for those 6 title runs? This whole paragraph makes no sense


By the way...someone who actually stated before being corrected that Jordan was not a winner, shouldn't call ANYBODY a sub par poster, and shouldn't be called a Bulls fan..
again, taking my words out of context. Michael jordan did not win championships before pippen and grant matured.

I question your loyalty as a Bulls fan, I question your knowledge of the game...and I question your maturity.

And its you that have a hard on for pippen. You continue to bring him up. Your disdain for pippen and anybody in a bulls uniform not named jordan is amazing.

And again just for emphasis, why do you knock pippen for not leading the blazers to a title as a 35 year old with a bad back, but defend bird even though he was in the same situation but younger?

I'm sure you won't respond to this

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Rami doesn't even know shit about hockey.

 

[MSOADE54]

Rami doesn't even know shit about hockey.

He knows more than me

 

[houheffna]

I am absolutely not a part of this argument at all.

Not at all.

But, there is something to a person not living through an experience. People are full of sh** if they think that watching a youtube highlight video is actually analyzing someone's play by watching every game they played. There are a few select people on this board that think they are the end-all of basketball knowledge. Sadly, that just isn't the case. Watching a few playoff videos doesn't make that person an expert.

Unfortunately, there are a select few on this board that think they know everything (and I'm not even talking about you, houf), yet they have no clue because they didn't experience that generation of basketball.

What experience??? Its basketball!!! There is no experience to be had you can't have by watching it. You mean to tell me you can't watch Jordan score 63 points in a game in 1986 against the Celtics on youtube and get an idea of how great he was? You can't do that watching the same video I watched when I was 11 years old? Why not?

I am often irritated when people like Barkley and Kenny Smith talk about how people who haven't played NBA basketball can't talk about the game because they didn't play it. Really? Yet Barkley and Smith can say some things that are really stupid and they can only be challenged on it by former players? I don't think so. People using their eyes is not a problem...people learning the game and being able to analyze the abilities of players should not be a problem. Bill Simmons is just a few years older than me and he is a great historian of the game...how did he acquire that knowledge?

History would be lost according to that argument. People watching every game a person played over a 20 year career so that they can analyze his game...are extremely slow. It doesn't take all of that...a player's skills and abilities don't fluctuate that much from game to game. There is no experience to be had. I watched damn near every game from 1988-1998 and damn near every game from 2003-now. Yet a young journalist from Jersey named Sebastian Pruiti can school everybody on here about Rose and the Bulls based on just a few games he observes.

Let's not discourage younger fans from wanting to learn the history of the game...we should want that. How many people alive saw Babe Ruth? Not many, we don't have as much footage on him as we do on Jordan...we have Jordan's every move. I can say that anybody right now can watch Jordan play and I defy them to tell me Jordan wasn't the greatest ever...I don't think they can.

And again, I know NOBODY who thinks Barkley was overrated that actually watched the man play basketball...I know nobody who saw him play who would say he should have been a small forward (WTF)...but you don't need video...he averaged 23pts and almost 12 rebs as a PF!!! How can that not be seen as a great franchise caliber player?

It makes no difference if a person was "there" or not...if they were totally blind while they were "there"...

 

[houheffna]

And its you that have a hard on for pippen. You continue to bring him up. Your disdain for pippen and anybody in a bulls uniform not named jordan is amazing.

And again just for emphasis, why do you knock pippen for not leading the blazers to a title as a 35 year old with a bad back, but defend bird even though he was in the same situation but younger?

I'm sure you won't respond to this

LOL at you comparing Bird's injury to Pippen's. Give me a break...Bird couldn't even sit in a damn chair. Pippen was just fine during those playoffs...his skills were somewhat diminished, but he had a good series, he just disappeared in the clutch and had nobody there (Jordan) to save him...that was the difference.

You always make excuses for Pippen...I have been a Pippen fan during his whole career here...I just don't think he was a clutch performer (clutch was defined by people who know the game and wanted to judge based on the situation more than the game, a concept you don't want to grasp).

I knocked Pippen for being on the court...bad back or not...20 points up going into the fourth quarter and the team not being able to do anything. That included Pippen. Who has a history of not doing anything in those situations.

Pippen wasn't the best player on that team at all, I never said that. Bird was the franchise player...a number 1, not a sidekick like Pippen. Different injuries, different roles...different situations. Quit making excuses for Pip's inabilities during certain situations. He doesn't do it as much as you do.

And by the way...I am a Jordan fan...so I watch every Bulls game...and post on a forum and had podcasts talking about the Bulls where Jordan barely came up...but I am not a Bulls fan...again, learn the game dude...

 

[Gunzaan]

What experience??? Its basketball!!! There is no experience to be had you can't have by watching it. You mean to tell me you can't watch Jordan score 63 points in a game in 1986 against the Celtics on youtube and get an idea of how great he was? You can't do that watching the same video I watched when I was 11 years old? Why not?

I am often irritated when people like Barkley and Kenny Smith talk about how people who haven't played NBA basketball can't talk about the game because they didn't play it. Really? Yet Barkley and Smith can say some things that are really stupid and they can only be challenged on it by former players? I don't think so. People using their eyes is not a problem...people learning the game and being able to analyze the abilities of players should not be a problem. Bill Simmons is just a few years older than me and he is a great historian of the game...how did he acquire that knowledge?

History would be lost according to that argument. People watching every game a person played over a 20 year career so that they can analyze his game...are extremely slow. It doesn't take all of that...a player's skills and abilities don't fluctuate that much from game to game. There is no experience to be had. I watched damn near every game from 1988-1998 and damn near every game from 2003-now. Yet a young journalist from Jersey named Sebastian Pruiti can school everybody on here about Rose and the Bulls based on just a few games he observes.

Let's not discourage younger fans from wanting to learn the history of the game...we should want that. How many people alive saw Babe Ruth? Not many, we don't have as much footage on him as we do on Jordan...we have Jordan's every move. I can say that anybody right now can watch Jordan play and I defy them to tell me Jordan wasn't the greatest ever...I don't think they can.

And again, I know NOBODY who thinks Barkley was overrated that actually watched the man play basketball...I know nobody who saw him play who would say he should have been a small forward (WTF)...but you don't need video...he averaged 23pts and almost 12 rebs as a PF!!! How can that not be seen as a great franchise caliber player?

It makes no difference if a person was "there" or not...if they were totally blind while they were "there"...

I completely understand your point and agree with you... to a degree. There are plenty of people who consider themselves an expert on a subject they never lived through, yet their only expertise on the subject is watching a few youtube videos, or watching a few select games, instead of an entire season or playoff series.

I just think there is a slippery slope there... and a lot of people claim something that they don't really have.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The lakers weren't depleted and old. And if your refering to worthy, he wasn't injured until game 4. The bulls had the series well in hand by then.

And I feel the pistons were on the lakers and celtics level. They lost a heartbreaking series to the celtics in 87 and were up in game 6 by 7 vs the lakers in 88 when thomas spranied his foot.

No Kareem there and Byron Scott was also hurt. Magic was also past his prime.

There's no way the '92 Bulls are better than them 5 years prior.

 

[97Bulls]

LOL at you comparing Bird's injury to Pippen's. Give me a break...Bird couldn't even sit in a damn chair. Pippen was just fine during those playoffs...his skills were somewhat diminished, but he had a good series, he just disappeared in the clutch and had nobody there (Jordan) to save him...that was the difference.

You always make excuses for Pippen...I have been a Pippen fan during his whole career here...I just don't think he was a clutch performer (clutch was defined by people who know the game and wanted to judge based on the situation more than the game, a concept you don't want to grasp).

I knocked Pippen for being on the court...bad back or not...20 points up going into the fourth quarter and the team not being able to do anything. That included Pippen. Who has a history of not doing anything in those situations.

Pippen wasn't the best player on that team at all, I never said that. Bird was the franchise player...a number 1, not a sidekick like Pippen. Different injuries, different roles...different situations. Quit making excuses for Pip's inabilities during certain situations. He doesn't do it as much as you do.

And by the way...I am a Jordan fan...so I watch every Bulls game...and post on a forum and had podcasts talking about the Bulls where Jordan barely came up...but I am not a Bulls fan...again, learn the game dude...

How is it not the same? They both had to have back surgery. What the ****? You don't remember pippen limping in game 6 in 98? You say bird couldn't sit, well pippen couldn't walk straight. He couldn't even stand up straight. And he was older. But either way, both injuries were severe. And while both healed, neither never really regained the athleticism that's needed to play at a higher level. The difference is that in your point of view, pippen should've been able to overcome his transgression even at an older age.

And who gives a shit about being the best player or the man? Without bird, the celtics don't win, without pippen the bulls don't win. If bird was on the bulls he would've been a sidekick too. Who gives a shit about the hierarchy of a loosing team?

And why do you continue to say pippen didn't come through in the clutch when I've clearly shown instances in which he did. Does he have to come through every single time? That's dumb to even think that. Noone has. Not magic, not wilt, not barkley, not jordan, not bird, not even russell. Or pippen. But for some reason, pippen is supposed to be able to come through every time in every situation? Is this realistic? The bird led celtics have lost 3 times with homecourt advantage. Why didn't bird come through in the clutch those times? Magic and the lakers, lost to a 38 win team in the playoffs. As well as loosing when they were the favorites.

How many games has magic taken over offensively? His biggest playoff game came in his rookie year. And his other notable game came when he hit that shot vs the celtics.

I'm sure you feel clyde drexler was better than pippen. Why didn't he fiinish off the bulls in game 6 of the 92 finals when they were up 16 pts going into the 4th quarter?

This isn't a disagreement about whether or not pippen was great. This is me pointing out the multiple inconsistancies you have concerning pippen. And thus why I question you.

 

[97Bulls]

No Kareem there and Byron Scott was also hurt. Magic was also past his prime.

There's no way the '92 Bulls are better than them 5 years prior.

Magic was not past his prime. He was second in the mvp voting. His statistical output was normal.

Kareem on the 87-88 lakers wasn't the player he was in the lakers earlier championship runs. And the 91 lakers replaced him with sam perkins and vlade divac. Both were very good centers.

And like I said before, when worthy and scott went down, the bulls were already up 3-1. I doubt replacing perkins and divac with an older jabaar would swing that series 3 games.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Magic was not past his prime. He was second in the mvp voting. His statistical output was normal.

Kareem on the 87-88 lakers wasn't the player he was in the lakers earlier championship runs. And the 91 lakers replaced him with sam perkins and vlade divac. Both were very good centers.

And like I said before, when worthy and scott went down, the bulls were already up 3-1. I doubt replacing perkins and divac with an older jabaar would swing that series 3 games.

That team in 1990-91 had a great player in Magic Johnson but he had already begun to slow down. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was still a great player even though he was pushing 40. I'll take a 39 year-old Kareem before Vlade Divac any day of the week. Sam Perkins was a nice player to replace Rambis but James Worthy and Byron Scott were both older and had increased responsibility on that team. They were no longer the showtime Lakers after Mike Dunleavy replaced Pat Riley as the coach. The tempo was much slower. Not to mention, Michael Cooper was a HUGE huge they were so dominant. BY 1990-91, he was gone.

1987 Lakers > 1991 Bulls > 1991 Lakers

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

My favorite thing about this message board, particularly this forum, is that if you go against the Bulls you automatically must hate the Bulls or be a fan of another team.

God forbid another team would be better than the 6 Championship teams....

God forbid you think Larry Bird, who with Magic saved the NBA in the 1980's, could be better than St. Scottie....

 

[scottiepippen1994]

My favorite thing about this message board, particularly this forum, is that if you go against the Bulls you automatically must hate the Bulls or be a fan of another team.

God forbid another team would be better than the 6 Championship teams....

God forbid you think Larry Bird, who with Magic saved the NBA in the 1980's, could be better than St. Scottie....

Magic and Bird in there prime may have been better than Scottie, but if so, not by a big margin.....I think Scottie in his prime could defensively shut both them down, especially Bird....This is my opinion...:talktohand:

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Magic and Bird in there prime may have been better than Scottie, but if so, not by a big margin.....I think Scottie in his prime could defensively shut both them down, especially Bird....This is my opinion...:talktohand:

Please do not take this quoting as an indication you are off ignore, because you still are.....

Ok, that's your opinion, and that great and all. But why is it when somebody offers a differing opinion they are automatically questioned about their loyalty to the Bulls?

 

[97Bulls]

That team in 1990-91 had a great player in Magic Johnson but he had already begun to slow down. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was still a great player even though he was pushing 40. I'll take a 39 year-old Kareem before Vlade Divac any day of the week. Sam Perkins was a nice player to replace Rambis but James Worthy and Byron Scott were both older and had increased responsibility on that team. They were no longer the showtime Lakers after Mike Dunleavy replaced Pat Riley as the coach. The tempo was much slower. Not to mention, Michael Cooper was a HUGE huge they were so dominant. BY 1990-91, he was gone.

1987 Lakers > 1991 Bulls > 1991 Lakers

Perkins didn't replace rambis. Rambis hadn't been a starter on a consistant basis for about 9 years. Not to mention he joined the hornets in the expansion draft of 88.He did replace green, who went to the bench.

Jabaar was a total shell of his former self by 88. Although he was solid in 87. Cooper was irreplaceable though. But the questiion remains, were an old past his prime kareem and cooper enough to sway that championship? Especially considering perkins and divac played well? I doubt it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Prope, did DCguy really say what is in your sig? If so, LOL!

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Prope, did DCguy really say what is in your sig? If so, LOL!

Yes he did. I can't recall the thread, but it was probably a 900 poster in which it was argued that Scottie Pippen is the 2nd coming of Muhammad.