Has anyone heard anything about trading Deng, possibly?

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See title. Im just curious. A while back there was that Gortat-Pietrus deal that apparently is a thing of the past.

Anyone heard anything else?
 

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Nope but we'll see what happens as we get a couple more weeks into FA. Something could come up.
 

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at this point

there is no reason to trade deng

atleast from what i can see
 

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at this point

there is no reason to trade deng

atleast from what i can see

Only if the Bulls sign Lebron and can get a decent SG + depth/cap flexibility for Deng. It's really not ideal to have Deng on the team if we have Lebron.
 

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I think we can get Bron and keep Deng.
 

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There was the Joel Przybilla+Jerryd Bayless deal for Deng, but there hasn't been news on that for a while
 

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Ive wanted Bayless on the Bulls since his days as a Wildcat at the U of A.
 

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I think we can get Bron and keep Deng.

We can but i think people would rather get rid of him. It would be nice to get his 10M off the books, put Bron in his natural position and use more money to find a legit SG and add further depth to the bench. Deng as a 4th option is really good and all but i dont think we would need him.
 

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o yea, no doubt.
 

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LeBron at the 2 would make the most sense if we land him. If anyone was able to ever hold LeBron, it was a healthy Deng. From what I understand, Deng is going all out in an effort to condition his frame for durability. The man is 25 years old, a very true to position SF, and LeBron has hinted in the past that he might prefer playing guard than forward.
 

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LeBron at the 2 would make the most sense if we land him. If anyone was able to ever hold LeBron, it was a healthy Deng. From what I understand, Deng is going all out in an effort to condition his frame for durability. The man is 25 years old, a very true to position SF, and LeBron has hinted in the past that he might prefer playing guard than forward.

If no other moves are made, yes, that would be the Bulls best option. But the obvious flaw in that lineup is lack of perimeter shooters. If Lebron would prefer to play SG long term that is fine, but then I think we need a SF who can shoot the 3.
 

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If no other moves are made, yes, that would be the Bulls best option. But the obvious flaw in that lineup is lack of perimeter shooters. If Lebron would prefer to play SG long term that is fine, but then I think we need a SF who can shoot the 3.

Yes? No offense to your understanding of the NBA, but what specific SF are you desiring that can shoot the 3?

Luol Deng vs the rest of the leagues SF's.

We had 3-point threats all of last year, Vinny didn't utilize it. Deng is good shooting from anywhere. Kirk is lights out from 3, when he's not guarded by a 6'6"+ player, Brad Miller was hot earlier from 3, and Rose was hot from 3 at the end of the season. We just didn't play beyond the arc.

Blame our offensive scheme from last year, not the players we had

BTW, only Gerald Wallace has a better perimeter defense stat to hold other SF's to low 3p%s than Deng.

You have pretty much said, I'm sick of looking at Deng, let's downgrade him because he has gotten hurt a few times. The grass is always greener.

I really don't know where the whole "We are a bad 3pt shooting team" thing came from. If we shot more 3's throughout the season, we would have had no problem increasing our %, and belonging within the top 1/2 of the league. Our real issue was being able to stretch defenses, and now Carlos Boozer pretty much solves that problem. Were going to be okay from 3 this year, regardless of who we add. I don't think replacing Deng will make us a better 3pt team, if anything, we'll be a worse team, defending the 3pt line. Leave the 3pt sharpshooters for the bench.

I'll stick to my comment about LeBron at the 2. He likes playing guard, he can play guard very well, and he'll have some of the craziest mis-matches all year long.
 
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Yes? No offense to your understanding of the NBA, but what specific SF are you desiring that can shoot the 3?

Luol Deng vs the rest of the leagues SF's.

We had 3-point threats all of last year, Vinny didn't utilize it. Deng is good shooting from anywhere. Kirk is lights out from 3, when he's not guarded by a 6'6"+ player, Brad Miller was hot earlier from 3, and Rose was hot from 3 at the end of the season. We just didn't play beyond the arc.

Blame our offensive scheme from last year, not the players we had

BTW, only Gerald Wallace has a better perimeter defense stat to hold other SF's to low 3p%s than Deng.

You have pretty much said, I'm sick of looking at Deng, let's downgrade him because he has gotten hurt a few times. The grass is always greener.

I really don't know where the whole "We are a bad 3pt shooting team" thing came from. If we shot more 3's throughout the season, we would have had no problem increasing our %, and belonging within the top 1/2 of the league. Our real issue was being able to stretch defenses, and now Carlos Boozer pretty much solves that problem. Were going to be okay from 3 this year, regardless of who we add. I don't think replacing Deng will make us a better 3pt team, if anything, we'll be a worse team, defending the 3pt line. Leave the 3pt sharpshooters for the bench.

I'll stick to my comment about LeBron at the 2. He likes playing guard, he can play guard very well, and he'll have some of the craziest mis-matches all year long.

Beautiful. Couldn't've said it better myself.
 

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Yes? No offense to your understanding of the NBA, but what specific SF are you desiring that can shoot the 3?

Luol Deng vs the rest of the leagues SF's.

LOL at using Deng's sample size of less than 100 3 pt attempts to make a case for him being a good 3pt shooter. Deng is a career 31% shooter from 3 and has three seasons where has has shot less than 27% from behind the arc. Including one season where he shot around 14%. The one season he has where he shot more than 100 threes he shot a pathetic 26.5%.

Regardless of your list from ESPN I don't think any sane person would argue that Deng is a better 3pt shooter than: Peja, Hedo, Pietrus, Webster, Gomes, Kopono, Durant, Delfino, Battier, Granger, even LBJ and Melo. All of whom are behind Deng on this list. Plus some of those listed ahead of him. Deng does not have the consistant range or accuracy from that area. He doesn't take many contested 3's as people don't expect him to shoot them to begin with and most of his threes are off fast break fades and missed assignments. Shooting 3's in those scenarios is much easier and different than the types of 3's these other guys take on a consistant basis.

Talk about taking skewed stats way to seriously without even understanding the game.


Kirk is lights out from 3, when he's not guarded by a 6'6"+ player
Well if Kirk is playing your off guard he's going to see those matchups more often than not.

BTW, only Gerald Wallace has a better perimeter defense stat to hold other SF's to low 3p%s than Deng.
Why would these guys need to take 3's if Dengs biggest issueon defense isn't defending the 3 ball.,...it's getting beaten on dribble pentration by more athletic wing players. I don't think I've ever heard the complaint that Deng "can't defend the three" mainly because it's not an issue has his man would be able to consistantly get by him into the lane. Deng is a decent defender. But he's not as good as Bulls fans make him out to be. He uses his length well at times but doesn't have great feet, is a little spastic, can be beaten on the dribble drive too easily, and seems to fade in and out effort/concentration wise.
 
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The Bulls shot 33% last season from 3.

I don't care how many words you use in a counter...33% isn't good. Deng shooting more 3's is going to help his %? wow.
 

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LOL at using Deng's sample size of less than 100 3 pt attempts to make a case for him being a good 3pt shooter. Deng is a career 31% shooter from 3 and has three seasons where has has shot less than 27% from behind the arc. Including one season where he shot around 14%. The one season he has where he shot more than 100 threes he shot a pathetic 26.5%.

Regardless of your list from ESPN I don't think any sane person would argue that Deng is a better 3pt shooter than: Peja, Hedo, Pietrus, Webster, Gomes, Kopono, Durant, Delfino, Battier, Granger, even LBJ and Melo. All of whom are behind Deng on this list. Plus some of those listed ahead of him. Deng does not have the consistant range or accuracy from that area. He doesn't take many contested 3's as people don't expect him to shoot them to begin with and most of his threes are off fast break fades and missed assignments. Shooting 3's in those scenarios is much easier and different than the types of 3's these other guys take on a consistant basis.

Talk about taking skewed stats way to seriously without even understanding the game.



Well if Kirk is playing your off guard he's going to see those matchups more often than not.


Why would these guys need to take 3's if Dengs biggest issueon defense isn't defending the 3 ball.,...it's getting beaten on dribble pentration by more athletic wing players. I don't think I've ever heard the complaint that Deng "can't defend the three" mainly because it's not an issue has his man would be able to consistantly get by him into the lane. Deng is a decent defender. But he's not as good as Bulls fans make him out to be. He uses his length well at times but doesn't have great feet, is a little spastic, can be beaten on the dribble drive too easily, and seems to fade in and out effort/concentration wise.

Again, when I say no offense, I mean it. i didn't say it, like I say trying to put down what you know.

Of everything you just said. I would take Granger, Durant, and LBJ over Deng. But those guys aren't an option. Every player in the league gets burnt, crossed, and posterized, Deng still defends better than most SFs, and if you want to compare him, when he was playing on a sprained/sore knee to a lot of SF's, he still did a great job. Luol Deng is an exceptional shooter, and yes, I point to those stats, because again, this last Bulls team didn't play a scheme to shoot 3s, and you can't expect progression without repetition.

Melo and 3s? CA is good, but a 3pt shooter, he is not.
Peja is declining, and all he is really good for, as a starter, would be shooting 3s.
Hedo? You brought up Turkoglu? He's the human disappearing act.
Pietrus is good, but not better than Deng overall. He's like the Ben Gordon of SF's. He's go lights out one day, but let someone score 30 on him the next.
Webster has had health issues like Deng, again, nowhere near as good of a defender, and he played on a 3pt friendly scheme.
Gomes? Really. Delfino, Battier?? You would rather have those guys, than Luol Deng?

So you basically want a heat-checker to play SF for this team. When they start hitting shots, you'll feed them to boost their stats, and that would be an upgrade over Deng. Or are you salivating over players that come off the bench, to play against worn down starters, and you instantly think they = starter.
 

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I also forgot to add, that Deng's health issues compared to the field, are on par with the SF position. Damn near everyone in the league has been beat up for portions of their career.

Deng shooting more 3's is going to help his %? wow.

Spoken like a true virgin expecting his first time to be the best.
 

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I heard that the Bulls are trading Deng to Miami for LeBron.
 

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