Has anyone heard anything about trading Deng, possibly?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Apparently, I clearly don't understand stats. Or at least i have been told.

I just want to see the damn link to that defensive stat. I am actually interested in that.

And no, you do not know how to grasp statistics.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah Batum would be really fun to have. Like I said, I've always been a big fan of his.

Hey man, do you watch a lot of Euro basketball?? Do you know if Splitter is coming over this year??

I watch quite a bit. I haven't heard a ton on him honestly. Last I heard was around draft night the Spurs were trying to get him to come over. I'm pretty sure his ACB contract is up.

 

[FirstTimer]

What trade? The Bulls have offered around, and took offers. This isn't a video game.

And guess what..No one wanted Deng!

My point is proven!!!!

Yippiiee!

I put up one stat, and you make a mountainous quotefest out of it.

Lesson: Don't post shit unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

Call me an ass-clown over and over, and show little class, thats you, and nothing I can do will change that. Maturity will, but that comes in time.

Ok kid. Me calling you an ass clown doesn't weaken or strengthen my argument. It's fun and frankly is just me calling a spade a spade.

"Dis guy better, dat guy. Deng aint shit, deng sux."

1. Show me where I talk like that.

2. Show me where I said "Deng "ain't shit" or "Den sux"

3. Is this the best you have now?

Dude, the grass is always greener.

No it's not. If I had Carmelo Anthony I wouldn't want Deng.

****. If I had Batum I wouldn't want Deng. So you're idiom doesn't make any sense. On top of the fact that I didn't post every SF in the NBA, this the grass isn't "always" greener.

You're awful at this.

If you want to be a pessimist

Do you know what the word pessimism means? How is me telling you and stating the fact that Deng isn't that good of a 3 pt shooter "pessimism"? Explain that one Sherlock. Hell, I never even said Deng would always be bad at it etc etc.

I go to every damn game that I can go to, and I promise you, couch potatoing off the TV or visiting the recaps will never give you the same realm of how great the game is, and how hard these players go out there and play.

But blowing Deng at the scorers table does?

If you want Pietrus,, all you need to do is watch Orlando, or whatever team he goes to. If you want whoever, just go all out, they are there for your entertainment.

Yeah. NBA League Pass is great.

All you were able to do was point at me posting that Deng did not take enough shots for you to consider his 3pt skills legitimate.

And point out his career 31% rate..and how the Bulls offense has obviously had shooters in it even at Deng's same position...and how posting Deng's percentage was idiotic because other much better 3pt shooters were listed behind him...Oh yeah and I found out you stalk Luol Deng.

That is a fair argument.

It's the ONLY argument.

But mine is that he has consistently gotten better

26.5 (117 att)
26.9(78 att)
14.3(7att)
36.4(22 att)
40.0(20att)
38.6(83att)

You realize that his percentage dropped last year right? Thus making it impossible for him to "get better" and if you look at it the more attempts he takes the lower his percentage goes...with the exception of the stellar 7att season. Again, it's tough to judge Deng getting better when in 3 years he has taken as many 3's as some players have taken in 26 games.

It's easy to rip on players. REAL EASY, especially when they are on your team, and you see losses due to injuries.

I've never brought up Deng getting hurt.

Not once.


Now you're just rambling/ragging.

So at that point, I'm not sure if you're a Bulls fan, or just someone who came in here because your a fan of something else CCS provides.

'Tards?

I like Deng, I don't love him

Don't worry. That feeling will grow. You're young. Love can blossom.

and how we would have one hell of a time moving him because the teams don't have cap space.

Yeah..well the deal is 99% of the time no NBA team has cap space....the issue is Deng's contract blowing goats for how average of a player he is.

In pregame, he'll hit all of his shots most nights.

...Goes back to my first post about uncontested threes.....

I know he has the skills because I see it.

Now you just sound ***.

You're not going to change my mind about Deng, or this team, so if you want to have the last word. Go for it, multi-quote like crazy.

Will do sweetie!

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

LOL @ the criteria for judging what a great SF is now; going to games, playing hard, trying, and pregame shooting.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL @ the criteria for judging what a great SF is now; going to games, playing hard, trying, and pregame shooting.

Gordon Hayward=GOAT

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Splitter is coming over.

 

[FirstTimer]

Splitter is coming over.

That's not too surprising. Splitter is one of the few Euros I like.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Luol Deng is fine. If you are going to tell me you'd rather have Batum then lol at you.

 

[Glide2keva]

38.6% (39%) on 83 attempts > 40.0% on 20 attempts.

Just saying.

 

[FirstTimer]

Luol Deng is fine. If you are going to tell me you'd rather have Batum then lol at you.

38.6% (39%) on 83 attempts > 40.0% on 20 attempts.

Just saying.

40.9% on 132att>>>>both of those...

Just saying..

And yes I'd rather have Batum. Easily.

So LOL at Portland too because they value Batum over Deng...which is why the Portland deal fell through.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

2009-2010:

Luol Deng:70 games
Nick Batum:37 games

Luol Deng:.466 FG in 1014 attempts
Nick Batum:.512 FG in 268 attempts(nearly 4 times as less as Deng)

Luol Deng:16.2 PPG per 36 minutes
Nick Batum:14.7 PPG per 36 minutes

Luol Deng:.386 3 point in 82 attempts
Nick Batum:.409 3 point in 132 attempts

Luol Deng:77% FT in 330 attempts
Nick Batum:84 % FT in 51 attempts

Luol Deng:6.8 RPG per 36 minutes,total rebounding rate of 10.8
Nick Batum:5.5 RPG per 36 minutes, total rebounding rate of 9.5

Luol Deng: 1.9 APG per 36 min,9.1 AST%
Nick Batum:1.7 APG per 36 min,7.9 AST%

etc. etc.

batum played sparingly and missed games due to a shoulder injury...so he got less attempts..but is the better shooter imo

deng overall is more skilled and has been less productive this year as of other years due to hampering injuries and also giving up the lead role deng has somewhat assumed the last couple of years

batum and deng are about the same size and deng is older and going into his prime and batum is young..hopefully he doesnt have a consistent history of injuries and stays healthy and produces

still i'd rather have a healthy deng

 

[FirstTimer]

2009-2010:

Luol Deng:70 games
Nick Batum:37 games

Luol Deng:.466 FG in 1014 attempts
Nick Batum:.512 FG in 268 attempts(nearly 4 times as less as Deng)

Luol Deng:16.2 PPG per 36 minutes
Nick Batum:14.7 PPG per 36 minutes

Luol Deng:.386 3 point in 82 attempts
Nick Batum:.409 3 point in 132 attempts

Luol Deng:77% FT in 330 attempts
Nick Batum:84 % FT in 51 attempts

Luol Deng:6.8 RPG per 36 minutes,total rebounding rate of 10.8
Nick Batum:5.5 RPG per 36 minutes, total rebounding rate of 9.5

Luol Deng: 1.9 APG per 36 min,9.1 AST%
Nick Batum:1.7 APG per 36 min,7.9 AST%

etc. etc.

batum played sparingly and missed games due to a shoulder injury...so he got less attempts..but is the better shooter imo

deng overall is more skilled and has been less productive this year as of other years due to hampering injuries and also giving up the lead role deng has somewhat assumed the last couple of years

batum and deng are about the same size and deng is older and going into his prime and batum is young..hopefully he doesnt have a consistent history of injuries and stays healthy and produces

still i'd rather have a healthy deng

You're assuming we already haven't seen Deng's prime.

I'd rather take the 21 year old with the similar skill set who is currently improving over the over payed 25 year old who has not really shown much improvement over the last 2-3 seasons.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Put it this way, Deng is in his best years I mean he's what 25? This past year his production declined from years where he was the team leader however his shooting continues to improve and hopefully he can learn his role as a starter but not necessarily the main guy(s)...in this team next year he is probably the 3rd or 4th option..

I am not sure what to think of batum...he's young and a good shooter for an sf...hopefully his shoulder injury the past season isn't an ominous sign..f he can stay healthy he could be a really good player

I'd still take deng because of his history and also his abilty to rebound at a high rate and consistently get 15 to 20 PPG every night

ETA:didn't see the last part of your post...I still think we haven't seen the best of deng and the one
thing I have been emphasizing is that his shooting is getting considerably better and that he has been
hampered with injuries...I don't think he deserves what he is getting payed NOW because he isn't playing the role he is getting paid anymore

 

[FirstTimer]

Put it this way, Deng is in his best years I mean he's what 25? This past year his production declined from years where he was the team leader however his shooting continues to improve and hopefully he can learn his role as a starter but not necessarily the main guy(s)...in this team next year he is probably the 3rd or 4th option..

Deng has been up and down the last 3 seasons. Tough for me to call him "improving".

I am not sure what to think of batum...he's young and a good shooter for an sf...hopefully his shoulder injury the past season isn't an ominous sign..f he can stay healthy he could be a really good player

Wade had a serious shoulder issue and hasn't missed a beat the last two seasons.

ETA:didn't see the last part of your post...I still think we haven't seen the best of deng and the one
thing I have been emphasizing is that his shooting is getting considerably better and that he has been
hampered with injuries...I don't think he deserves what he is getting payed NOW because he isn't playing the role he is getting paid anymore

Sadly, I think we have seen the best of Deng. He might make small improvements to his game here or there but I think he's pretty much reached his ceiling.

Batum on the other hand I see a lot more potential in and a much higher ceiling than Deng. My opinion of Batum>Deng in regards to wanting one over the other is a purely speculative/scouting based view so I won't be able to or try to back it up with stats. I think batum has the much better potential shooting wise and defensively.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Deng has been up and down the last 3 seasons. Tough for me to call him "improving".

up and down because of injuries...also he's transitioning to being a 3rd or 4th option instead of the main option with ben gordon...things have changed...i think if deng can stay healthy he can produce at a high rate...his shooting is still improving....and again 25 isnt that old...he has about a 5 year window in which he will be at his peak as an athlete...

Wade had a serious shoulder issue and hasn't missed a beat the last two seasons.

very true...but these are two different people in two different scenarios....i do think Batum will be fine..but then again you dont know with some athletes

Sadly, I think we have seen the best of Deng. He might make small improvements to his game here or there but I think he's pretty much reached his ceiling.

You may be right..but i think he will become more efficient in a lesser role now because he wont be a primary option with rose,noah,and boozer as the stars...his shooting again....has been improving and i'd like to him continue to improve that and also polish his inside outside game...Deng is also a good defender..

Batum on the other hand I see a lot more potential in and a much higher ceiling than Deng. My opinion of Batum>Deng in regards to wanting one over the other is a purely speculative/scouting based view so I won't be able to or try to back it up with stats. I think batum has the much better potential shooting wise and defensively.

Shooting i agree batum is good even tho his shooting numbers may be a little skewed this season because of his lack of shots and games. I wonder what the difference of his %'s would be in a major role like deng's and playing 70+ games? However i would say that Deng was producing really well as a young player in a somewhat of a lead role...probably moreso than Batum...whether or not Batum will become a good player is up to him...potential is potential...i hate that its being used so much in the draft that players like daniel orton are drafted in the first round..its really unbelievable because quite a few times that "potential" is never reached due to injuries,laziness,etc. I'd take Deng right now because he is still young and approaching his "prime" or athletic peak or whatever you can call it and has proven he can produce good numbers...Batum certainly has the "potential" however...

 

[FirstTimer]

up and down because of injuries...also he's transitioning to being a 3rd or 4th option instead of the main option with ben gordon...things have changed...i think if deng can stay healthy he can produce at a high rate...his shooting is still improving....and again 25 isnt that old...he has about a 5 year window in which he will be at his peak as an athlete...

My thing though is Batum is already succeeding as a 3rd and 4th option on Portland and a defensive "specialist" of sorts. Deng has to "grow" into that option in a way and he may not be able to.

Shooting i agree batum is good even tho his shooting numbers may be a little skewed this season because of his lack of shots and games. I wonder what the difference of his %'s would be in a major role like deng's and playing 70+ games? However i would say that Deng was producing really well as a young player in a somewhat of a lead role...probably moreso than Batum...whether or not Batum will become a good player is up to him...potential is potential...i hate that its being used so much in the draft that players like daniel orton are drafted in the first round..its really unbelievable because quite a few times that "potential" is never reached due to injuries,laziness,etc. I'd take Deng right now because he is still young and approaching his "prime" or athletic peak or whatever you can call it and has proven he can produce good numbers...Batum certainly has the "potential" however...

Very true. However one thing to remember when dealing with Batum is that he is in sort of a trial by fire situation. Deng came into the NBA as a much more polished player due to him playing at Duke in big time NCAA basketball. Batum was playing in the French leagues(not the greatest) and not seeing a ton of time. Little bit different development cycle there as an 18-20 year old. He really blew onto the scene at a Nike camp. I think Batum has just as many if not more tools than Deng and is the better athlete.

I'd rather have Batum as a 3rd or 4th option now and watch him evolve into a 1st or 2nd option over his career than watch Deng try and "devolve" into a 3rd or 4th option as he will have to over the next couple of seasons.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

My thing though is Batum is already succeeding as a 3rd and 4th option on Portland and a defensive "specialist" of sorts. Deng has to "grow" into that option in a way and he may not be able to.

I think that Deng is transitioning to being that 3rd or 4th option guy.....having a great PG like Rose will help him get scoring opportunities to improve his efficiency

Very true. However one thing to remember when dealing with Batum is that he is in sort of a trial by fire situation. Deng came into the NBA as a much more polished player due to him playing at Duke in big time NCAA basketball. Batum was playing in the French leagues(not the greatest) and not seeing a ton of time. Little bit different development cycle there as an 18-20 year old. He really blew onto the scene at a Nike camp. I think Batum has just as many if not more tools than Deng and is the better athlete.

Deng was a great player coming into the NBA although in some aspects he wasnt polished like shooting...Deng was more of a PF/SF more PF guy at Duke and it was only for one year..and Deng had to transition to become kind of a wing guy instead of just a forward that bangs in the post..i can see your point tho im sure the french leagues couldnt be that much worse than the collegiate ranks...international players are intriguing because its more difficult to scout them and know their development,upside,etc.

I'd rather have Batum as a 3rd or 4th option now and watch him evolve into a 1st or 2nd option over his career than watch Deng try and "devolve" into a 3rd or 4th option as he will have to over the next couple of seasons.

I dont see what the problem is with either...I think Deng knows that he isnt "the lead option" on the team anymore and can fit well as the starting SF for a deep and talented team that has a superstar PG that can give great opportunities for Deng to score....i would like to see deng work on maybe getting somewhat of a versatile game with improving his shooting but also becoming less of a scorer and becoming more efficient..again rose can help with this...

 

[FirstTimer]

..i can see your point tho im sure the french leagues couldnt be that much worse than the collegiate ranks...international players are intriguing because its more difficult to scout them and know their development,upside,etc.

You haven't watched much french league basketball have you.........

I dont see what the problem is with either...I think Deng knows that he isnt "the lead option" on the team anymore and can fit well as the starting SF for a deep and talented team that has a superstar PG that can give great opportunities for Deng to score....i would like to see deng work on maybe getting somewhat of a versatile game with improving his shooting but also becoming less of a scorer and becoming more efficient..again rose can help with this...

I think Rose can only do so much. At the end of the day if Deng can't do it. he can't do it. Rose can't make him do it. Rose can only facilitate the skill set Deng has.

At the end of the day I'd rather have the evolving player than the devolving one. IMO If Deng is "devolving" in a way your team is getting worse. If Batum is on the team and evolving the team is getting better in a certain respect.

Of the two: For a player for next year only, I take Deng.

For the next 5-10 years I take Batum...and it isn't even a question IMO.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

You haven't watched much french league basketball have you.........

lol not really

I think Rose can only do so much. At the end of the day if Deng can't do it. he can't do it. Rose can't make him do it. Rose can only facilitate the skill set Deng has.

That's true...and i think deng CAN do it..i mean Deng hasnt really played with a PG like Rose before and i think Rose could give Deng better scoring opportunities which leads to better efficiency..at the end of the day yes its deng himself who is the person who dictates the efficiency...but having rose will help because well...Rose is going to be distributing the ball to him...deng is certainly good enough imo to take advantage of having a guy like Rose giving him the ball

At the end of the day I'd rather have the evolving player than the devolving one. IMO If Deng is "devolving" in a way your team is getting worse. If Batum is on the team and evolving the team is getting better in a certain respect.

I would say Deng is going into a smaller role..but that doesnt necessarily mean he is getting any worse..its just that he isnt forced to be the top option..which i admit before his injury(ies) he performed well but this is a different bulls team and deng will still be a servicable SF who again will be more polished and efficient especially shooting wise but wont put up the points he used to imo..im thinking more like 14 PPG next year instead of like 18 or 19 like he used to which doesnt sound like that much of a decrease still....its not like Deng is aging...he is at the beginng of his athletic peak..

I agree with the batum thing...but again idk how good batum will become....he could eventually put up 18-20 PPG..but its STILL only potential...i'd take a proven Deng who is reaching his athletic peak..but theres no problem in taking a young promising guy like batum

 

[FirstTimer]

That's true...and i think deng CAN do it..i mean Deng hasnt really played with a PG like Rose before

Except for the past two seasons

I would say Deng is going into a smaller role..but that doesnt necessarily mean he is getting any worse

I think you mistook what I said...I think if you are basically telling a player to devolve it is making the team worse in a way. I'd rather bring in a guy like Batum and tell him "Hey you're the 3rd or 4th guy now, but we want/expect you to grow into the 1st or 2nd option in the coming seasons. I like that mindset better than telling a guy who was the 1st or 2nd option that he basically couldn't hack it and he is essentially being demoted to a lower option.

.he is at the beginng of his athletic peak..

Hopefully.....Maybe....

I agree with the batum thing...but again idk how good batum will become....he could eventually put up 18-20 PPG..but its STILL only potential...i'd take a proven Deng who is reaching his athletic peak..but theres no problem in taking a young promising guy like batum

In all honesty, I think Batum at his peak is more of a 20-23 PPG/6-7/rpg/3-4apg/1-2spg guy, but I'm really high on the kid. Basically I think he will be a more well rounded version of Danny Granger...except not quite the pure scorer that Granger is.