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The Cubs have already lost 34 going 35 games.

They can only afford to lose 21 more for that to not be the worst stretch in franchise history.
 

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I think i'm at the point where I'm sick of hearing people complain about the cubs more than I'm sick of seeing them lose. It's so pointless because no one here can do shit about it. Fans being fed up with the team doesn't make them spend more money. You can look at the Royals, Pirates and Marlins to see this. Either accept that the Ricketts wont spend money or move on for crying out loud. People need to grow up and stop acting like entitled children. They bought the team and can do whatever they want with it whether you accept it or not. You'd think that cubs fans more than anyone would realize the team doesn't owe you anything after 100 years.

I'm sure A's fans think it's cute that cubs fans are complaining about having $105-110 mil in payroll the past two seasons and likely would have had that same range had they signed Tanaka as planned. That's what's ridiculous about all this. You don't have to be all rainbows and sunshine about the situation but you damn sure don't have to whine about it daily either. If people as much of fans as they proclaim to be then you take the good with the bad. With the cubs its more accurately bad with the bad but I'm sure all of you knew that going in when you initially decided they were your team. I highly doubt anyone one here was alive the last time they won a title. So, if money is your bag, I'm sure there's more room on the Yankee and Dodger bandwagon. If not, let's learn to be adults here for the love of god.
 

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You're just gonna sign $50MM in one year deals?

I'm not going to sign anyone. Our 18 million dollar GM, who supposedly knows talent and how to structure a deal should.


I don't support that. That's why I don't go to games.


So you don't like what's going on, but you defend what's going on.

Makes sense... SMH
 

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They can only afford to lose 21 more for that to not be the worst stretch in franchise history.


Thanks man...


But let's be honest here. If he's splitting hairs over a few 10ths of a percent on the worst 4 year stretch ever... He's got more to worry about.For instance, friction burns on his knees and lip blisters.
 

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I'm not going to sign anyone. Our 18 million dollar GM, who supposedly knows talent and how to structure a deal should.


I don't support that. That's why I don't go to games.




Makes sense... SMH

I'm not defending it. I just know that I can't do much. All I can do is not go to games. So I don't.

I just think that if Ricketts didn't want to win, he wouldn't have spent all the money on the farm system, Theo, Jed, McLeod, and on the prospects. I mean sure, he could be doing it to "trick the fans." But I don't think the average fan pays that much attention to that sort of stuff. He could have saved all that money and actively fielded a losing team and still made a ton of money off of the team. I don't have a link to the report, but I remember a few years back reading that the Pirates when they were bottom of the barrel perennially were the most profitable team in baseball.
 

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No.. their saying the cubs wont be signing any elite FA, a star that still in their prime yrs....

Im just saying if you look at the FA list , those type aren't on there..

I have no problem signing FA 32 or over if their gonna help them win now. .

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Thanks for the clarification.
 

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I think i'm at the point where I'm sick of hearing people complain about the cubs more than I'm sick of seeing them lose. It's so pointless because no one here can do shit about it. Fans being fed up with the team doesn't make them spend more money. You can look at the Royals, Pirates and Marlins to see this. Either accept that the Ricketts wont spend money or move on for crying out loud. People need to grow up and stop acting like entitled children. They bought the team and can do whatever they want with it whether you accept it or not. You'd think that cubs fans more than anyone would realize the team doesn't owe you anything after 100 years.

I'm sure A's fans think it's cute that cubs fans are complaining about having $105-110 mil in payroll the past two seasons and likely would have had that same range had they signed Tanaka as planned. That's what's ridiculous about all this. You don't have to be all rainbows and sunshine about the situation but you damn sure don't have to whine about it daily either. If people as much of fans as they proclaim to be then you take the good with the bad. With the cubs its more accurately bad with the bad but I'm sure all of you knew that going in when you initially decided they were your team. I highly doubt anyone one here was alive the last time they won a title. So, if money is your bag, I'm sure there's more room on the Yankee and Dodger bandwagon. If not, let's learn to be adults here for the love of god.

Pointless diatribe. It seems to suggest people are complaining but still forking over cash to the Ricketts. You have no reason to assume this. There's a decent chance the Cubs will gat a million less than in 2008. So, people are not accepting it. People have all ready made a choice in this love it or leave it ultimatum you're pushing. It's already been done.

The real issue is you're failure to recognize the need to take your own advice. You're banging on this in a forum specifically designated for people to discuss the Cubs. So, by virtue of it's existence, this is the correct place for people to complain about the Cubs. Note that it's not an "avoid irritating beckdawg" forum. And that's where it is. It's probably more appropriate for you to consider you're own "love it or leave it" ultimatums where this forum is concerned. Perhaps you should either access or not access the website instead of admonishing rebuking people for doing something that this forum's purpose.

Btw, I'm not trying to chase you off by pointing this out.
 

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You'd think that cubs fans more than anyone would realize the team doesn't owe you anything after 100 years.

And you would think that the Owner and FO should have never opened their DAMN mouths in selling the Cubs fans about "sustained success".

If they would keep their FUCKING yappers shut, quit promising things, fans won't expect anything.
 

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I think i'm at the point where I'm sick of hearing people complain about the cubs more than I'm sick of seeing them lose. It's so pointless because no one here can do shit about it. Fans being fed up with the team doesn't make them spend more money. You can look at the Royals, Pirates and Marlins to see this. Either accept that the Ricketts wont spend money or move on for crying out loud. People need to grow up and stop acting like entitled children. They bought the team and can do whatever they want with it whether you accept it or not. You'd think that cubs fans more than anyone would realize the team doesn't owe you anything after 100 years.

I'm sure A's fans think it's cute that cubs fans are complaining about having $105-110 mil in payroll the past two seasons and likely would have had that same range had they signed Tanaka as planned. That's what's ridiculous about all this. You don't have to be all rainbows and sunshine about the situation but you damn sure don't have to whine about it daily either. If people as much of fans as they proclaim to be then you take the good with the bad. With the cubs its more accurately bad with the bad but I'm sure all of you knew that going in when you initially decided they were your team. I highly doubt anyone one here was alive the last time they won a title. So, if money is your bag, I'm sure there's more room on the Yankee and Dodger bandwagon. If not, let's learn to be adults here for the love of god.



People need to grow up?
No.
I think YOU need to grow up. What ? turn 25 this year?
 

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And you would think that the Owner and FO should have never opened their DAMN mouths in selling the Cubs fans about "sustained success".

If they would keep their FUCKING yappers shut, quit promising things, fans won't expect anything.

How much business sense does it make to say that they are going to lose?

People need to grow up?
No.
I think YOU need to grow up. What ? turn 25 this year?

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If you don't open your mouth, you aren't held to anything. Get it?

It looks a whole lot worse when you promise things and fail to deliver. Of course, eventually they will get a winning record under their belt, and then the true "sustained success" theory will be put to the test.
 

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WGN made most of the non Chicago baseball fans Cub fans.

Well before TBS put the Braves on national TV, too. That said...I couldn't even tell you what station number WGN is on my satellite network. Yeah. WGN used to be a very big deal when cable first came to town. 40 years later? Not so much.
 

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If you don't open your mouth, you aren't held to anything. Get it?

It looks a whole lot worse when you promise things and fail to deliver. Of course, eventually they will get a winning record under their belt, and then the true "sustained success" theory will be put to the test.

I don't think it's realistic to expect a team to not say anything.
 

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No problem... now back to more whining and crying posts about how Ricketts are cheap and epstein sucks..

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Would you leave Jeff Samardzija and Anthony Rizzo out of this? It's a fan forum.
 

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How much business sense does it make to say that they are going to lose?

Tom is on record this year as saying this team can make the playoffs. IOW, the ownership/FO lacks credibility when statements like these are made. Every season is precious! I don't think they need to tell the fans they plan on screwing the fans in the rear with a broomstick full of splinters, but I also think being a bit more forthright could perhaps be endearing to the more skeptical minds.
 

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Pointless diatribe. It seems to suggest people are complaining but still forking over cash to the Ricketts. You have no reason to assume this. There's a decent chance the Cubs will gat a million less than in 2008. So, people are not accepting it. People have all ready made a choice in this love it or leave it ultimatum you're pushing. It's already been done.

The real issue is you're failure to recognize the need to take your own advice. You're banging on this in a forum specifically designated for people to discuss the Cubs. So, by virtue of it's existence, this is the correct place for people to complain about the Cubs. Note that it's not an "avoid irritating beckdawg" forum. And that's where it is. It's probably more appropriate for you to consider you're own "love it or leave it" ultimatums where this forum is concerned. Perhaps you should either access or not access the website instead of admonishing rebuking people for doing something that this forum's purpose.

Btw, I'm not trying to chase you off by pointing this out.

As to the first paragraphy, how has declining attendance change spending habits the past 4 years? That's the point. It doesn't and it wont or at least in the way you want it to. I'm not telling people to go to games. However, avoiding them isn't doing anything either. If it continues long enough one of two things will happen. They will either reduce payroll to the point where they are perennial bottom feeders using lack of attendance as an excuse or they will move the team and use lack of attendance as an excuse. As I said before, show me an example of a fanbase forcing the sale of the team. Even the Expos essentially was Loria trading them for the Marlins where coincidentally he went right back to being a tight ass.

As to the second paragraph, I just don't see what people are getting out of it. As I said before, I'm not saying you have to be rainbow and sunshine. The cubs offense fucking sucks. If you want to discuss that to the end of days cool. That's actually about baseball. If you think the team should sign/trade for x player and want to discuss that great. My problem with people bitching about what they spend is who's arguing against it? Has anyone here ever said "No, the cubs shouldn't have another $20 mil to spend on payroll"? It's an uninteresting topic. Payroll is what payroll is going to be and every team's fans think they should have more.

I just want to talk about what happens on the field or at the very least, someone who may actually play on the field. At this point, anything there is to say about ownership has already been said 100x over. It's stale and uninteresting.
 

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Tom is on record this year as saying this team can make the playoffs. IOW, the ownership/FO lacks credibility when statements like these are made. Every season is precious! I don't think they need to tell the fans they plan on screwing the fans in the rear with a broomstick full of splinters, but I also think being a bit more forthright could perhaps be endearing to the more skeptical minds.

Amen to that!
 

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