I think the Bears are going to fire Ryan Poles

[KittiesKorner]

The core question is whether Poles can build a Super Bowl roster.
If the answer is anything short of yes, he needs to go.

isn't that true of any GM?

I think our core question is, is the GM CHICAGO TUFF?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

its a no brainer, which is why this might actually happen.

Yeah…. that’s actually why it won’t happen.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I think what we are seeing is a bunch of meatballs with simplistic brains imploding, because they want quick, easy answers, and to put ALL the blame on a singular person, because that is the lazy, easy way for them to process anything, even if it is incorrect.

And if there is a singular person to blame, its George McCaskey, but they can't get George fired, and they demand a pound of flesh, so they focus on who they believe they CAN get fired. It's almost like they believe in witchcraft - that if they burn the effigy of who they deem the source of their issues (in this case, a player gets cut or a coach gets fired), then magically all the problems disappear with them, and when they don't, whelp, rather than learn that this is the wrong mental approach, they just look for another "effigy to burn" - it's literally primative, stone age thinking.


The reality is, the Bears have a multitude of issues. We can't solve the McCaskey one (really, we don't own the team so we can't solve any of them), but of the ones that potentially need solving:

* Need a GM who is better at drafting AND capable of fixing the offensive line AND capable of identifying good coaching candidates
* Going hand in hand with that, we need better depth at all positions on the field.
* Need a better HC who will be able to steer the locker room and also whose schemes are NFL-sound rather than our last 3 offensive minds, who drew up plays in crayola based on playing too much madden and thought it made them smart.
* Need a better offensive line to protect the QB instead of a coaching staff (and fandom) that overrates the talent there.
* Need better coaches on the staff at the position groups
* Need another RB who can act as a workhorse and we put swift as the 3rd down back he is.
* Need another quality pass rusher, if not 2.

That's a clear-eyed look at everything. There are a lot of "effigies" fans want to "burn" that are just scapegoats for the above issues, and in their stupor, they are willing to part with good or potentially good players who might do better under better coaches.

At the same time, they will overvalue dead weight because those players didn't outshine other players in terms of making a mistake, thus leading to the lionizing of players who are mediocre at best.

And then when you do get a player who potentially might be truly great eventually, they have no patience to let them develop, especially at a position where they've burned so many effigies that it can be considered a religious practice.


This fandom has issues, man...

wait so you're queening about criticizing lazy and dumb bears fans for wanting a new hc and the gm fired sand then you're saying... we need a new hc and gm?

lo FUCKING l, you are a football poseur

 

[EDPeezy]

If Vrabel is brought in he is probably gone. Reports I’ve heard say Vrabel wants to bring in his own GM. If ownership wants Vrabel bad enough I think there’s a good chance they have to fire Poles.

I think the realistic scenario is they won’t hire Vrabel because of that though. And more. I don’t think they want a guy they can’t control. The people in power won’t want to give up power to Vrabel. Not because they love Ryan Poles or whatever. But because they want a yes man who will essentially stay in his lane and not fight for control of anything.

They probably also don’t want to pay anybody and will settle on giving someone like Liam Coen 6-10 million as opposed to paying Vrabel or Johnson something more like 15-20 million.

 

[bamainatlanta]

If Vrabel is brought in he is probably gone. Reports I’ve heard say Vrabel wants to bring in his own GM. If ownership wants Vrabel bad enough I think there’s a good chance they have to fire Poles.

I think the realistic scenario is they won’t hire Vrabel because of that though. And more. I don’t think they want a guy they can’t control. The people in power won’t want to give up power to Vrabel. Not because they love Ryan Poles or whatever. But because they want a yes man who will essentially stay in his lane and not fight for control of anything.

They probably also don’t want to pay anybody and will settle on giving someone like Liam Coen 6-10 million as opposed to paying Vrabel or Johnson something more like 15-20 million.

I highly doubt they go with a defensive guy

 

[EDPeezy]

I highly doubt they go with a defensive guy

I doubt it too. I want an offensive guy.

Although I wouldn’t really be upset with a culture changer like Vrabel. I get the people saying that’s exactly what they need. It makes sense when you watch how undisciplined this team is.

I just think hitting on an offensive guy substantially raises your ceiling and you don’t have to worry about the guy running your offense getting nabbed by other teams. You keep that continuity of coach/qb.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I doubt it too. I want an offensive guy.

Although I wouldn’t really be upset with a culture changer like Vrabel. I get the people saying that’s exactly what they need. It makes sense when you watch how undisciplined this team is.

I just think hitting on an offensive guy substantially raises your ceiling and you don’t have to worry about the guy running your offense getting nabbed by other teams. You keep that continuity of coach/qb.

They definitely need discipline badly.
Kmet and his podcast bullshit
Stevenson and his mouth/pouty attitude
DJ Moore being a **** on the field
Jaylon Johnson half assing out there
Morons like Borom that don’t even look at the defender in front of them

They do need a coach that has accountability and instills discipline to go along with an attention to detail.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

They definitely need discipline badly.
Kmet and his podcast bullshit
Stevenson and his mouth/pouty attitude
DJ Moore being a **** on the field
Jaylon Johnson half assing out there
Morons like Borom that don’t even look at the defender in front of them

They do need a coach that has accountability and instills discipline to go along with an attention to detail.

The thing is, unless you go and hire Mark fucking Trestman again, almost any coach after a failed season is going to have "discipline" his first year. Players know there is a new guy, and they will want to make sure they make a good impression. They want to win too. So being "checked out" will be gone year one. If the coach is a dud, then it might come back in years 2 or 3.

But a lot of these should be non issues under year 1 of a new coach, and if they have success early, it will keep the players invested.

 

[Runruffshod75]

I just don’t see it happening after Warren said poles would have final say in HC. Or maybe I’m not remembering his quote exactly. Things can change obviously but ….bears

The season was a total washout when that was stated though.

It would be one thing if it were year one or even year two, but in year three after winning 7 games last year?

They're not winning another game this year and are losing by double digits in every game down the stretch.

This goes well beyond just a bad HC hire heaped on to Ryan Poles by Ted Phillips and Bill Polian, where Ryan Poles does have a direct thumbprint on the roster its borderline terrible and would be terrible if it weren't for one trade.

 

[UChiLAbear]

And you can argue the Panthers are playing better than the Bears.

Facts can't be argued....lol...

 

[UChiLAbear]

Ryan Poles' best decisions as general manager were gifted to him by Lovie Smith. Lovie Smith did more for this franchise as the coach of the Houston Texans in one game than Ryan Poles has done in 3 years.

Why wouldn't it be the QB who threw the TD and 2-point conversion?

 

[UChiLAbear]

None of the players will even make the pro bowl. Maybe the punter. But regardless, even if the Bears were an "edge playoff team", is that even an accomplishment? Nagy made the playoffs in 2020.

That was the year the NFL added a 7th playoff team to each conference.....I would say the NFL made da Bears a playoff team.

 

[dabears70]

DJ Moore Says Don't Blame Ryan Poles For Bears Struggles in 2024

Chicago Bears wide receiver DJ Moore does not believe General Manager Ryan Poles is on the hot seat.

www.bleachernation.com

 

[BearFanJohn]

DJ Moore Says Don't Blame Ryan Poles For Bears Struggles in 2024

Chicago Bears wide receiver DJ Moore does not believe General Manager Ryan Poles is on the hot seat.

www.bleachernation.com

Hmmm….not shocking because Poles paid Moore. I don’t know how Poles keeps his job if they don’t win the next two and maybe not then. This was supposed to be a .500 ish team and they are almost funny bad.

 

[Bearly]

A few things.

1) Kevin Warren does not want to share the spotlight with a guy who was there before him.

2) “We’re going to take the North and never give it back.”

3) Complete failure on the rebuild. The same record now as the teardown year.

And the biggest one.

4) The timeline.

The Bears are not going to extend Poles just to extend him, the way they did Pace.

They’re not going to hire a new head coach with the GM on a lame-duck one year deal. It just doesn’t happen.

This all appears to point to the Bears moving on from Ryan Poles at the end of the season.

He seemed safe for a bit but I think the odds are favoring this right now.

If so, do they start from scratch or promote Cunningham.

 

[Toast88]

He seemed safe for a bit but I think the odds are favoring this right now.

If so, do they start from scratch or promote Cunningham.

For me, there’s no reason to promote Cunningham. He’s part of the same regime, the same braintrust.

The only way Cunningham might make sense is if behind the scenes, Cunningham is always like, “I don’t know, Ryan. That move seems like ass.”

 

[WestsideResider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1872422790466576437

 

[TL1961]

Warren would be the one doing the picking. If Agnew has an eye for talent and roster construction and Johnson is an excellent offensive mind, what would be your objection to wiping the slate clean and hiring both of them?

No reason to be against it if he does, but how do we know whether Agnew has an eye for talent?

 

[WestsideResider]

The two longest losing streaks in team history have happened during Ryan Poles’ 3 years here. Insane

 

[TL1961]

This is beyond delusional. This team is nowhere close! This GM has been here 3 years and we have zero all pro players to show for it. The oline and DLine are complete disasters that need to be completely redone. Sweat and Wright are the only serviceable players. Dexter might have a future. That’s it!

9 game losing streak, 14 game losing streak. We are close!

Four weeks ago people here were saying Flus should be fired because the 4-8 Bears should have been 8-4.

Since Flus was fired the defense has been terrible and the team is getting blown out.

Nobody thinks Flus should still be employed but since the team has played worse, suddenly that “should be in playoff contention “ team has zero talent anywhere so the GM should be fired.

A month ago it was commonplace to think that the team had talent. Today it’s delusional??