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Hang on to that as hard as you can buddy
I think we’re going to have to worry about Jordan Love being great, guys.
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Dude... are you serious? haha. Leading the NFL in touchdowns and passer rating after 2 WEEKS (one game against arguably the worst defense in the league) means a guy is elite? C'mon... Why not point out that he's 33rd in completion percentage? Or 17th in YPG? Those rankings definitely aren't elite.
If he's leading the NFL in both categories near the end of the season, then we'll talk.
Listen, I hate the Packers, but I'm not biased. Before Mahomes came along, I would acknowledge that Aaron Rodgers was probably the most talented QB of all-time.
When I watch Love play, I see mediocrity. I don't think he's bad... I just don't see him being a guy that you look at and say, "as long as we have him, we have a chance."
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Does it really make a difference? They've had HOF QBs for the last 30 years.....30 fucking years....and won 2 Super Bowls. yeah, yeah, yeah....big time regular season stuff. Who the hell cares? The best part is looking at all those green and gold crying faces as they get bumped out again. So let him talk all his shit....at least we know out team is going nowhere. The Cheeseheads get to go all year thinking their team is good just to get to watch reality slap them in the face once again.
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Source is me watching the game and called it out in the around the league....Packers had one, a holding on PR
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Can't we agree to revisit this week nine, to see how things look after a larger and more diverse sample size?
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Love was 9/21 and an INT before the Saints went into prevent D
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Hang onto his stats? Okay. That is how we measure players on field production lol.
Im sorry you dont like it man, but you not wanting GB to have another HOF QB doesnt change the fact that Love has statistically been the best QB in the league thus far.
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His completion pct. is low because of his WRs dropping tons of passes, and also because he throws it away alot and takes alot of deep shots. YPG is nonsense, Rodgers never had high YPG numbers under Lafluer either, this is because we run the ball too much.
Its not just after two weeks, after three weeks, Love is currently the best QB in the league by the numbers. Im sorry, but being the leagues best QB statistically is as good as one could possibly even do lol.
Aaaaand you are just trying to convince yourself of that because you dont want GB to have another HOF QB lol. By the numbers, you have no reason whatsoever to say that about Love. When you have watched Love play this season, you have seen the leagues best QB through three games, you have told yourself that somehow equals 'mediocrity', but thats only because your an idiot who is tired of GB winning the division lol.
Love has had a much better start then Favre or Rodgers did. Neither of them were the best QB in the league after three games.
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You are making up nonsense, those 2 PIs were the only penaltys the Saints had in the closing minutes. Packers had 11 penaltys all game and were penalized for more yardage then the Saints.
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They never went into a prevent D, they were playing there base D all game. Stop making up nonsense. Just because Love owned the Saints D on the last three drives doesnt equate to it having been 'prevent', it wasnt. It was the Saints base regular D.
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Sure, but there is no denying he has been great thus far. He is currently the leagues best QB by the numbers. Another HOF QB for GB.
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1. No, it was 2. You said going into the week. After his relatively poor performance against the Saints, his passer rating dropped quite a bit. Now he's 13th in the league, not "leading the league" as you said.
2. Now you're just making things up. The Packers have 2 drops this season. That doesn't explain his poor completion percentage.
3. I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. Do I want the Packers to have another HOF QB? Of course not. But that isn't impacting my view on how Love has looked. Again, I acknowledged that Aaron Rodgers was great. I even admitted it after his first season starting. I'd do the same with Love if I saw it, but I don't.
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1. Yes, Love was the best QB in the league going into this week. Then i said, its not just after two weeks, its also after three. Pay attention. Love's passer rating went down a bit sure, but he is still 2nd in passing TDs and 1st in total TD's for any QB. He also as the lowest INT% and the best TD to Int ratio. Best QB in the league thus far.
Also, his performance against the Saints wasnt poor lol. He had an all around okay game, 1 passing TD, 1 INT, 1 Rushing TD and 200+ yards. He had a fantastic 4th quarter. Love has been really good, really good, then okay (with a great 4th quarter comeback against a great D) in his three games thus far. He also has done this without Watson, Jones, Bahktiari, Jenkins etc.
2. Packers have way more then two drops, not sure what advanced stats you are reading from, but they must not be counting broken up passes that were in the WRs hands as drops. Notice I also pointed out he throws it away alot to avoid sacks, and also takes alot of deep shots.
3. Yes, you are, and yes, it is lol. Jordan Love has been the best QB in the league thus far, there is no way any rational person who has seen him play could say he hasnt looked very good at the least, unless you are just a salty NFCN fan who is tired of GB having HOF QBs lol.
Love has undeniably had a better first 3 games then either Favre or Rodgers, you are aware of this, yes? If you wont admit that he looks great, then you wouldn't have admitted that either of them looked great either. Statistics dont lie man, Love has been the leagues best QB, or at least one of them. If he was a Bears QB doing this right now your fanbase would be more excited then you have been for anything since 1985 lol.
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you really need to drop the whole "He's been better than Favre and Rodgers in the first 3 games" argument. Who gives a ****? Plenty of QBs have had a better start than Rodgers, it doesn't mean they wound up better haha.
Dude... Look up the stats. You are literally just making shit up.
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Jordan Love has 0 balls thrown away. You claim he has a lot.
Jordan Love has had 2 passes dropped. You say he has a lot.
His bad throw % is 13.5%, which ranks 10th worst in the league.
His on target % is 37.5%, which ranks 32nd in the league.
But sure.... he's been the best QB in the league this season and the reason why his completion percentage sucks is because of dropped passes and throw aways, which obviously isn't true.
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you really need to drop the whole "He's been better than Favre and Rodgers in the first 3 games" argument. Who gives a ****? Plenty of QBs have had a better start than Rodgers, it doesn't mean they wound up better haha.
Dude... Look up the stats. You are literally just making shit up.
2023 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Jordan Love has 0 balls thrown away. You claim he has a lot.
Jordan Love has had 2 passes dropped. You say he has a lot.
His bad throw % is 13.5%, which ranks 10th worst in the league.
His on target % is 37.5%, which ranks 32nd in the league.
But sure.... he's been the best QB in the league this season and the reason why his completion percentage sucks is because of dropped passes and throw aways, which obviously isn't true.
You obviously didnt read "Packers have way more then two drops, not sure what advanced stats you are reading from, but they must not be counting broken up passes that were in the WRs hands as drops."
Okay so you didnt respond to most of my post. Therefore you admit you cannot argue the numbers. 2nd most TD passes, most total TDs for a QB, lowest INT%, Best TD to INT ratio etc. All without his best WR, best RB, starting LT, and starting LG. League's best QB.
Can you name a few QBs who had a better first three games as starter then Rodgers? Ill spot you one, Jordan Love, name a few more.
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I'm super confused. I could swear I'm seeing a GB fan on a Bears forum repeatedly copy/pasting "7TD/1INT + stats don't lie + we have injuries" as if it's some kind of flex.
Stafford in his first full year put up 41 TDs and 5K yards. Vince Young and Sam Bradford were rookies of the year. Ben Roethlisberger won his first 17,000 starts in a row. And then once the tape was out on these guys, production dipped. Some of them counterpunched, and some didn't, but none of them had the same success again. Stafford never had those numbers again, Roethlisberger never had that win streak again, and the other two chumps never recovered from the NFL figuring them out.
Also, let me get this straight. "Stats don't lie" but also "He's only completing 50% because of throw aways and guys dropping passes." Well which is it? Can I just look at the stats which do not lie, or do I have to look at the tape?
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Stafford in his first full year put up 41 TDs and 5K yards. Vince Young and Sam Bradford were rookies of the year. Ben Roethlisberger won his first 17,000 starts in a row. And then once the tape was out on these guys, production dipped. Some of them counterpunched, and some didn't, but none of them had the same success again. Stafford never had those numbers again, Roethlisberger never had that win streak again, and the other two chumps never recovered from the NFL figuring them out.
Also, let me get this straight. "Stats don't lie" but also "He's only completing 50% because of throw aways and guys dropping passes." Well which is it? Can I just look at the stats which do not lie, or do I have to look at the tape?
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He'll be bottom half by season's end. When the metrics don't come close to matching the production, something usually gives
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Packers have faced Fields, Ridder, and Carr/Winston. The only above average QB is Carr, and they were getting pasted until he got hurt. Their first true test is the Lions on Thursday.
Injuries are part of the NFL and each team has them. Bahk has been injured going on 4 years now. Him being out is expected. The only guy that is likely hurting them is Watson, but since Love’s accuracy downfield is questionable not sure if Watson will be utilized properly. RB is a dime a dozen position in the NFL unless you’re a generational player which Aaron Jones is not.
Injuries are part of the NFL and each team has them. Bahk has been injured going on 4 years now. Him being out is expected. The only guy that is likely hurting them is Watson, but since Love’s accuracy downfield is questionable not sure if Watson will be utilized properly. RB is a dime a dozen position in the NFL unless you’re a generational player which Aaron Jones is not.
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He's looked very good. After week one, I told my neighbor, who is a freaking GB fan, that I would trade QBs no questions asked. Before week one, I don't think many Bears fans would have made that trade.
A lot of this is luck but you have to give GB credit for hitting on QBs (free Agency and draft) the way they have for the last 30 years, it's pretty amazing. Who knows what Love will do but I think he's showing the NFL that he could be real good.
I get Bears fans wanting to believe this just isn't true due to the nausea that follows every announcer and graphic showing how many QBs we've had compared to them--the thought of this continuing is a pretty f-ing dreadful one.
But you have to give them credit, not only for picking the right guys (football wise), but for putting them in a position to succeed.
Our franchise has proven pretty clearly that it hasn't been able to do either when it comes to the most important position in sports.
A lot of this is luck but you have to give GB credit for hitting on QBs (free Agency and draft) the way they have for the last 30 years, it's pretty amazing. Who knows what Love will do but I think he's showing the NFL that he could be real good.
I get Bears fans wanting to believe this just isn't true due to the nausea that follows every announcer and graphic showing how many QBs we've had compared to them--the thought of this continuing is a pretty f-ing dreadful one.
But you have to give them credit, not only for picking the right guys (football wise), but for putting them in a position to succeed.
Our franchise has proven pretty clearly that it hasn't been able to do either when it comes to the most important position in sports.
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