If You Can Win A Championship With McMahon Vs Cutler

[run and shoot]

I'm optimistic about Cutler and I find this funny. JC is closer to Jeff George and Rex Grossman at this point than Favre.

we don't always agree but the " Jeff George" example is spot on

 

[Warrior Spirit]

QB Rating: 86.4

http://www.nfl.com/player/danmarino/2501869/profile

My recollection was 2 points off so sue me. Matt Schaub's career rating is over 90 so he must be better. Couldn't possibly be the different eras.

 

[onebud34]

Has there ever been a super bowl winning team that wasn't at least, almost complete? That's how you win a super bowl, by making yourself the most complete team in the NFL.

Super bowl teams lately have a good QB, a solid offensive line, a decent running game, and play making wide receivers, along with a solid defense. The exceptions are few and far between.

True,the Giants were "almost complete" when they won the SB, so were the Packers

 

[dabearsjjk]

You ass clown, you're not looking at qualified leaders but anyone who even had 1 attempt. Do the same with Cutler and he's #34 last year.

Guess what...that is with qualified leaders!

1 Dan Marino MIA QB 336 567 59.3 35.4 4,137 7.3 258.6 30 21 0 0.0 73 0 0 18 84.1
2 John Elway DEN QB 327 605 54.0 37.8 3,891 6.4 243.2 22 23 0 0.0 65T 0 0 38 70.2
3 Ken O'Brien NYJ QB 297 488 60.9 30.5 3,888 8.0 243.0 25 8 0 0.0 96T 0 0 62 96.2
4 Phil Simms NYG QB 275 495 55.6 30.9 3,829 7.7 239.3 22 20 0 0.0 70T 0 0 52 78.6
5 Joe Montana SF QB 303 494 61.3 32.9 3,653 7.4 243.5 27 13 0 0.0 73 0 0 35 91.3
6 Dan Fouts SD QB 254 430 59.1 30.7 3,638 8.5 259.9 27 20 0 0.0 75T 0 0 18 88.1
7 Dave Krieg SEA QB 285 532 53.6 33.2 3,602 6.8 225.1 27 20 0 0.0 54 0 0 52 76.2
8 Tommy Kramer MIN QB 277 506 54.7 33.7 3,522 7.0 234.8 19 26 0 0.0 57T 0 0 39 67.8
9 Ron Jaworski PHI QB 255 484 52.7 30.2 3,450 7.1 215.6 17 20 0 0.0 99T 0 0 34 70.2
10 Boomer Esiason CIN QB 251 431 58.2 28.7 3,443 8.0 229.5 27 12 0 0.0 68T 0 0 32 93.2
11 Neil Lomax STL QB 265 471 56.3 29.4 3,214 6.8 200.9 18 12 0 0.0 47 0 0 61 79.5
12 Danny White DAL QB 267 450 59.3 32.1 3,157 7.0 225.5 21 17 0 0.0 56T 0 0 30 80.6
13 Eric Hipple DET QB 223 406 54.9 25.4 2,952 7.3 184.5 17 18 0 0.0 56 0 0 49 73.6
14 Warren Moon HOU QB 200 377 53.1 26.9 2,709 7.2 193.5 15 19 0 0.0 80T 0 0 46 68.5
15 Dieter Brock RAM QB 218 365 59.7 24.3 2,658 7.3 177.2 16 13 0 0.0 64T 0 0 51 82.0
16 Marc Wilson RAI QB 193 388 49.7 24.2 2,608 6.7 163.0 16 21 0 0.0 59 0 0 27 62.7
17 Bill Kenney KC QB 181 338 53.6 21.1 2,536 7.5 158.5 17 9 0 0.0 84T 0 0 28 83.6
18 Steve DeBerg TB QB 197 370 53.2 33.6 2,488 6.7 226.2 19 18 0 0.0 57 0 0 19 71.3
19 Mike Pagel IND QB 199 393 50.6 24.6 2,414 6.1 150.9 14 15 0 0.0 80T 0 0 25 65.8
20 Jim McMahon CHI QB 178 313 56.9 24.1 2,392 7.6 184.0 15 11 0 0.0 70T 0 0 26 82.6

 

[onebud34]

People like to remember things with tinted glasses but I remember certain things. I can't remember perfectly but there was QB controversy with Flutie, Tomzak, Fuller and McMahon, they were trying to replace McMahon half the time he was on the Bears because he was so undependable.

McMahon was on IR you goof

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Guess what...that is with qualified leaders!

1 Dan Marino MIA QB 336 567 59.3 35.4 4,137 7.3 258.6 30 21 0 0.0 73 0 0 18 84.1
2 John Elway DEN QB 327 605 54.0 37.8 3,891 6.4 243.2 22 23 0 0.0 65T 0 0 38 70.2
3 Ken O'Brien NYJ QB 297 488 60.9 30.5 3,888 8.0 243.0 25 8 0 0.0 96T 0 0 62 96.2
4 Phil Simms NYG QB 275 495 55.6 30.9 3,829 7.7 239.3 22 20 0 0.0 70T 0 0 52 78.6
5 Joe Montana SF QB 303 494 61.3 32.9 3,653 7.4 243.5 27 13 0 0.0 73 0 0 35 91.3
6 Dan Fouts SD QB 254 430 59.1 30.7 3,638 8.5 259.9 27 20 0 0.0 75T 0 0 18 88.1
7 Dave Krieg SEA QB 285 532 53.6 33.2 3,602 6.8 225.1 27 20 0 0.0 54 0 0 52 76.2
8 Tommy Kramer MIN QB 277 506 54.7 33.7 3,522 7.0 234.8 19 26 0 0.0 57T 0 0 39 67.8
9 Ron Jaworski PHI QB 255 484 52.7 30.2 3,450 7.1 215.6 17 20 0 0.0 99T 0 0 34 70.2
10 Boomer Esiason CIN QB 251 431 58.2 28.7 3,443 8.0 229.5 27 12 0 0.0 68T 0 0 32 93.2
11 Neil Lomax STL QB 265 471 56.3 29.4 3,214 6.8 200.9 18 12 0 0.0 47 0 0 61 79.5
12 Danny White DAL QB 267 450 59.3 32.1 3,157 7.0 225.5 21 17 0 0.0 56T 0 0 30 80.6
13 Eric Hipple DET QB 223 406 54.9 25.4 2,952 7.3 184.5 17 18 0 0.0 56 0 0 49 73.6
14 Warren Moon HOU QB 200 377 53.1 26.9 2,709 7.2 193.5 15 19 0 0.0 80T 0 0 46 68.5
15 Dieter Brock RAM QB 218 365 59.7 24.3 2,658 7.3 177.2 16 13 0 0.0 64T 0 0 51 82.0
16 Marc Wilson RAI QB 193 388 49.7 24.2 2,608 6.7 163.0 16 21 0 0.0 59 0 0 27 62.7
17 Bill Kenney KC QB 181 338 53.6 21.1 2,536 7.5 158.5 17 9 0 0.0 84T 0 0 28 83.6
18 Steve DeBerg TB QB 197 370 53.2 33.6 2,488 6.7 226.2 19 18 0 0.0 57 0 0 19 71.3
19 Mike Pagel IND QB 199 393 50.6 24.6 2,414 6.1 150.9 14 15 0 0.0 80T 0 0 25 65.8
20 Jim McMahon CHI QB 178 313 56.9 24.1 2,392 7.6 184.0 15 11 0 0.0 70T 0 0 26 82.6

We were talking rating not yards. Yards thrown does nothing to show efficiency.

 

[Xplosive]

Again....jay does not qualify for "best Bear Qb ever". Until further notice that go to Sid Luckman.

Are you SERIOUS...
1950 Sid Luckman? Really? Born in like 1920 or something Sid Luckman?
Dont get caught up in the crap ESPN spews and take that as some great truth. There wasnt even a SUPERBOWL then....:rolling:

Look Im not sure they werent wearing leather helmets back then but if we are gonna bring up "different era", lets at least keep it to the damn superbowl era.

 

[gpphat]

Actually he is.

Cutler normally ranks 10-13 in the league

Mchamon was around 20-25 if not worse

Cutlers ranking in QBR:

2007 - 12
2008 - 16
2009 - 21
2010 - 16
2011 - 13
2012 - 20

AVG - 16

Cutlers ranking in yards/game (have to account for injuries)

2007 - 13
2008 - 3
2009 - 14
2010 - 20
2011 - 18
2012 - 26

AVG - 16

Cutlers ranking in Int's

2007 - 12
2008 - 2
2009 - 1
2010 - 8
2011 - 31 injury year
2012 - 12

AVG - 11

Cutlers rank in TD's

2007 - 13
2008 - 7
2009 - 8
2010 - 13
2011 - 24 injury year
2012 - 21

AVG - 14

So the only category he ranked between 10-13 was interceptions

 

[Xplosive]

McMahon was on IR you goof

Damn he was on IR from 1986 to 1988 WTF injury was that LOL

j/k
you are right about 1986 season but Tomzak took over from there. Like I said McMahon always fighting injuries no way was he better than Cutler.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Sweet thread!

 

[FirstTimer]

You're the one with the clouded thinking. Marino's career QB rating was 84. I can point to a ton of QBs who came after him and had a much higher rating. Does that mean they're all better than him? No, it was a different damn era and the stats for QBs were way different. The passing game has evolved over the past few decades, rules have changed, today's athletes superior and what not.

You realize there's a stat for this right?

PFR. Use rate+

 

[Xplosive]

Cutlers ranking in QBR:

Cutlers rank in TD's

2007 - 13
2008 - 7
2009 - 8
2010 - 13
2011 - 24 injury year
2012 - 21

AVG - 14

So the only category he ranked between 10-13 was interceptions

Are you blind?

 

[onebud34]

Damn he was on IR from 1986 to 1988 WTF injury was that LOL

j/k
you are right about 1986 season but Tomzak took over from there. Like I said McMahon always fighting injuries no way was he better than Cutler.

Huh?

Tomczak was always listed as 2nd string

 

[gpphat]

Are you blind?

Are you dumb?

 

[gpphat]

Are you blind?

The guys said Cutler normally ranks 10-13....ranking 10-13 every once in a while does not constitute normally

 

[FirstTimer]

The statistical flailing and failing in this thread is ridiculous.

 

[bearsfootball516]

This thread is so bad it gave me cancer.

 

[gpphat]

The statistical flailing and failing in this thread is ridiculous.

I have hit a half court shot blindfolded once....so yeah I can normally hit a half court shot blindfolded

 

[FirstTimer]

Cutler Rate +
108
104
92
103
101
95
Avg: 100.5

I took out Cutler's 5 game rookie season.(a 110)

Marino Rate +
125
141
113
124
119
108
102
109
113
112
115
118
115
104
103
88(11 games and his arm fell off)

Avg: 113
I took out Marino's 5 game 1993(a 125)

Cutler's peak season isn't even Marino's average season.

Marino's lowest full seasons(102,103, 104) are nearly Jay Cutler Pro Bowl seasons(104).

 

[fenderpfunk]

Wait a second, you guys are on to something....are either Marino or McMahon free agents????