IGT: Celtics vs BULLS Wednesday Dec 9 @ 6:00pm on CSN and ESPN

[knoxville7]

I'm not critiquing the wrong thing at all with him lol...it's a valid critique this year and the last time I checked, you don't win games by past accomplishments. This year Noah has been great rebounding the ball and great defending. His offense has taken a major step back and his play making has taken a step back. He has a career high TOV% and I'm fairly certain a career low USG%. I call it the way I see it man. I still like Noah but I'm not going to ignore data because I like Noah and he was a better play maker in the past. That's silly. That's like going easy on Rose this year because he used to be good. Fortunately, Noah is still a good defender and a good rebounder. I'm giving credit where it's due and also giving criticism where it's due. It's not that complicated or difficult.

his playmaking is a debate actually because if you want an apples to apples comparison look at his per 36 min and while his turnovers are up slightly, so are his assists. so hes making just as many plays as before and slightly more. but he is also making slightly more mistakes than before

 

[Enasic]

Where's clone at?

Less wins for simmons, baby!

 

[Crystallas]

Danny Ainge got super old in the last 5 years. Wow.

 

[Enasic]

his playmaking is a debate actually because if you want an apples to apples comparison look at his per 36 min and while his turnovers are up slightly, so are his assists. so hes making just as many plays as before and slightly more. but he is also making slightly more mistakes than before

It's not a debate at all. It's looking at multiple, real, and tangible numbers as opposed to a stupid stat like per 36. You can't ignore AST%, TOV% and USG% I don't even know why you're trying to. Especially while bringing up per 36. Just face it, he's not as effective this year handling the rock and passing. It's not the end of the world.

 

[knoxville7]

It's not a debate at all. It's looking at multiple, real, and tangible numbers as opposed to a stupid stat like per 36. You can't ignore AST%, TOV% and USG% I don't even know why you're trying to. Especially while bringing up per 36. Just face it, he's not as effective this year handling the rock and passing. It's not the end of the world.

well you find it fair enough to ignore the stats I give you so why not. like I said before, agree to disagree

 

[Crystallas]

If I were Jimmy, I'd be furious at my teammates.

 

[Crystallas]

2012

Today.

It's not just the hair. Got dam

 

[Enasic]

well you find it fair enough to ignore the stats I give you so why not. like I said before, agree to disagree

I merely pointed out that per 36 is a terrible stat. It really doesn't prove anything or show actual production. Assist to turnover ratio is decent, but if you really want to dig deeper and look through a wider lense, AST%, TOV% and USG% is infinitely better than looking at assist to turnover ratio. But whatever...believe what you want man. Maybe Noah will get his numbers back to where they were in the past, but as of now, they're way off despite any raw numbers you care to look at.

 

[RoseMVP1]

It sucks getting dumped on by big men every game

 

[MRoman]

Why is Mirotic still in the game when Taj has actually been quite productive?

 

[knoxville7]

I merely pointed out that per 36 is a terrible stat. It really doesn't prove anything or show actual production. Assist to turnover ratio is decent, but if you really want to dig deeper and look through a wider lense, AST%, TOV% and USG% is infinitely better than looking at assist to turnover ratio. But whatever...believe what you want man. Maybe Noah will get his numbers back to where they were in the past, but as of now, they're way off despite any raw numbers you care to look at.

the reason I brought up per 36 is because it gives an apples to apples comparison. AST% TOV% USG% are nice stats if he was playing in the same role as he was in previous years. its not fair to compare those numbers from previous years starting getting 30+ min a game vs this year playing 20 min off the bench IMO. you seem to think it is and that's your prerogative. again, agree to disagree

more pressing is the Celtics are taking it to us in the crunch time of a ball game. bulls seem to have finishing issues lately

 

[Enasic]

His role this season is the same. Play defense, rebound, run some offense. He's playing less minutes and coming off the bench. That's about it. It's not like he's asked to be an offensive force now. Same role, less minutes. Has Noah been a great play maker in his career? Yes. Has he been less effective with it this year? Yes. He's handling it way less and turning it over nearly 13% points compared to his career average. I don't really see the big deal here. But that's fine...

 

[Axl Rose]

"we like our team" they said

i feel like smacking the hell out of gar

 

[knoxville7]

ballgame....niko had no chance on that play and Pau didn't help at all

 

[Enasic]

Niko in crunch time again. Man, Fred is a moron.

 

[Axl Rose]

Niko is as stupid as Tyrus Thomas but doesn't even have the athleticism to salivate over

 

[RoseMVP1]

Damn Gasol sucks on defense lol

 

[MRoman]

Yeah lets bring Taj in when we are down 9 with a minute to go not when we are down 8 with 6 minutes to go.... Hoiberg really doesnt have a clue

 

[Crystallas]

Why did they replace the weight room with an arcade at the new practice center?

So these guys can practice some Killer Instinct!

 

[Enasic]

Niko shouldn't be closing out games. Its been obvious for a long time now.