Illegal Immigration costs

[BigPete]

Considering the federal government doesn't let me to go to half of those countries, I'll take their word that they are not the safest places on earth right now. It's funny, I can go to Iraq to do a job but they would prefer I stay out of Mexico...

 

[winos5]

Considering the federal government doesn't let me to go to half of those countries, I'll take their word that they are not the safest places on earth right now. It's funny, I can go to Iraq to do a job but they would prefer I stay out of Mexico...

I'm not aware of blanket travel restrictions/warnings to any of the countries I listed outside Guatemala or Mexico. I know more than a few people personally, buying or planning to buy, vacation/retirement properties in Nicaruagua or Panama, myself included.

 

[BigPete]

Travel restrictions for me or the average citizen? I hope you know what I am talking about.



I never said that you were wrong to correct me for overgeneralizing. I made a blanket statement that too many people could assume is all inclusive of that region...and interpret it to be fact. SORRY............asbergers.......

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

Just saw this...WHOA Pez!

Have you been to Mexico lately? It is ravaged by war and lawlessness right this very minute. The cartels are killing every one! It's been that way for some time just not getting the press. And it's the same way for most of the central American countries.

The cartels are very keen on eliminating the press also. And not by making them write bullshit articles.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I completely agree that we have a problem in this country with Central and South American immigrants IF they are in fact failing to pay taxes and sending their earnings back to their home countries. As PSR has tried to assert, that is much more of a misnomer than reality. Most get here and try to live an honest life and at the end of the day their rent and bills just consume too much of their cash. There are not a whole lot of Western Union money transfers going back to their home countries.

If that is your viewpoint I can't change it. I will only say that I know for FACT that you don't hang out in Wal-Mart or any other Western Union location on a daily basis then. (Before the questions arise, my job required me to be in these stores on a daily basis)

 

[BigPete]

If that is your viewpoint I can't change it. I will only say that I know for FACT that you don't hang out in Wal-Mart or any other Western Union location on a daily basis then. (Before the questions arise, my job required me to be in these stores on a daily basis)

Okay, color me wrong then...but I would love to see where if in fact a lot of money gets wired to Mexico from 'illegals' here in the states. If you CAN link something, great.

 

[Tater]

Hey Wino, did you get medicine for that Asbergers yet? I also wouldn't want to go to A GOOD NUMBER of the countries in northern South America for the same reasons.



Pez it kind of is cartel on cartel, but they don't exactly meet at the school yard at 3pm and have a knife fight. I'm talking bombings, shootouts, family members of cartel people, common people and politicians they are trying to extort...that is where the deaths are coming from.



I completely agree that we have a problem in this country with Central and South American immigrants IF they are in fact failing to pay taxes and sending their earnings back to their home countries. As PSR has tried to assert, that is much more of a misnomer than reality. Most get here and try to live an honest life and at the end of the day their rent and bills just consume too much of their cash. There are not a whole lot of Western Union money transfers going back to their home countries.

I disagree here. Many live in houses/apartments with multiple families in them. I see them on my own street. I think they pool their money to pay these bills and on top of that, if they're not paying income tax or paid cash, they keep all of the money they make.

 

[mikita's helmet]

I say we just take over mexico and then south america and BAM immigration problem solved, they now be our ppls anyway.

More than 25% of the USA's 3,794,083 square miles was taken from Mexico. the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) which transferred one million square miles of Mexican land (equivalent to Western Europe), absorbed 100,000 Mexicans and 200,00 Indians and all or part of ten states: California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Kansas, southern Colorado, Oklahoma, and Texas) to the United States.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml



http://www.uwec.edu/geography/ivogeler/w188/border/mexhist.htm

 

[Tim]

Just give Mexico California back.

 

[TSD]

More than 25% of the USA's 3,794,083 square miles was taken from Mexico. the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) which transferred one million square miles of Mexican land (equivalent to Western Europe), absorbed 100,000 Mexicans and 200,00 Indians and all or part of ten states: California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Kansas, southern Colorado, Oklahoma, and Texas) to the United States.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml



http://www.uwec.edu/geography/ivogeler/w188/border/mexhist.htm

Arguably the US didn't "take" that territory, they bought it. Also, the independent nation of Texas approved annexation of Texas to the US, so it was not annexed from Mexico, Santa Ana recognized Texas independence, if mexico cried foul later too bad so sad. Also, Mexico fired the first shots of the war ambushing and routing an American patrol north of the Rio grande. Following that incident the United States declared war.



Up to that point both sides were clearly being uncivil recognizing and un recognizing treaties and territorial boundaries repeatedly. So the US-Mexican war wasnt the clear case of the US bullying Mexico that is commonly believed. Mexico talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk and lost territory, plain and simple. They were incapable of putting down rebellion in texas which led to its legal annexation by the United States then argued over borders attacked US soldiers and got ass raped for it.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

More than 25% of the USA's 3,794,083 square miles was taken from Mexico. the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) which transferred one million square miles of Mexican land (equivalent to Western Europe), absorbed 100,000 Mexicans and 200,00 Indians and all or part of ten states: California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Kansas, southern Colorado, Oklahoma, and Texas) to the United States.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml



http://www.uwec.edu/geography/ivogeler/w188/border/mexhist.htm

I hope you didn't post this well known information to somehow suggest that you agree with the "it is our land to begin with so we belong here" mantra. Was that your intent?

 

[mikita's helmet]

Arguably the US didn't "take" that territory, they bought it.

So I take it that if Mexico had decided not to accept $15,000,000 for half of their territory the deal would've been off?

 

[TSD]

So I take it that if Mexico had decided not to accept $15,000,000 for half of their territory the deal would've been off?

No it could have ended up worse for them, it might be the state of mexico instead of the nation of mexico today (Which since they all want to come here anyway probably would have been a good thing). The United States was being generous in giving them that, they could have just taken it.



They act like if they kept that territory mexico would be a world power and economic dynamo today. No, now a bigger swath of land would be a shit hole.



Mexico played with fire and got burned, plain and simple. Santa Ana stupidly recognized a sovereign Texas, and when Texas offered to be annexed the US jumped on it. Not the fault of the United States in any way shape or form. Mexico then cried foul and attacked US soldiers in Texas and brought the wrath, in times when the WORLD was far less tolerant hippyish and PC. Britain and France (who also recognized the independence of Texas mind you) urged Mexico to quit fucking with the United States, they knew this would happen.



To the winner go the spoils, thats the way the cookie crumbles. My point is mexico instigated the war, they dont get a do over because the outcome sucked for them.



Also its rather dubious to surmise that the areas of california, nevada, newmexico, arizona et al were actually "governed" by mexico.

 

[mikita's helmet]

I hope you didn't post this well known information to somehow suggest that you agree with the "it is our land to begin with so we belong here" mantra. Was that your intent?

Nope.

 

[mikita's helmet]

No it could have ended up worse for them, it might be the state of mexico instead of the nation of mexico today (Which since they all want to come here anyway probably would have been a good thing). The United States was being generous in giving them that, they could have just taken it.



Then, Arguably, the USA did "take" it (paying them $15,000,000 for approximately 1,000,000 square miles).



They act like if they kept that territory mexico would be a world power and economic dynamo today. No, now a bigger swath of land would be a shit hole.



Mexico played with fire and got burned, plain and simple. Santa Ana stupidly recognized a sovereign Texas, and when Texas offered to be annexed the US jumped on it. Not the fault of the United States in any way shape or form. Mexico then cried foul and attacked US soldiers in Texas and brought the wrath, in times when the WORLD was far less tolerant hippyish and PC. Britain and France (who also recognized the independence of Texas mind you) urged Mexico to quit fucking with the United States, they knew this would happen.



To the winner go the spoils, thats the way the cookie crumbles. My point is mexico instigated the war, they dont get a do over because the outcome sucked for them.



The winner also gets to write history as they see fit. In Mexico they refer to the Mexican American war as La invasión estadounidense de México (The American Invasion of Mexico). Some of the accounts I've read concerning what happened vary widely from what I'm reading here, others don't. I'm sure that many Southerners view the "history" of the US Civil War quite differently than the "official" version of it.



Also its rather dubious to surmise that the areas of california, nevada, newmexico, arizona et al were actually "governed" by mexico.

 

[MassHavoc]

Man, if only they would have taken over all of mexico... and canada... much smaller boarders to defend.

 

[LordKOTL]

And in legal immigration news...wish Miška and I luck on March 15--That's when she'll be interviewing with the embassy.

 

[MassHavoc]

And in legal immigration news...wish Miška and I luck on March 15--That's when she'll be interviewing with the embassy.

Wouldn't it be much cheaper and more beneficial for you guys just to hide her here illegally. All the benefits, none of the paperwork... I KEEEED I KEEEED

 

[LordKOTL]

Wouldn't it be much cheaper and more beneficial for you guys just to hide her here illegally. All the benefits, none of the paperwork... I KEEEED I KEEEED

With all of the stress we had just getting the USCIS to approve our case, the Tijuana express was looking very tempting. I'm all for legal immigration, but man, do they need to streamline the process.

 

[mikita's helmet]

And in legal immigration news...wish Miška and I luck on March 15--That's when she'll be interviewing with the embassy.

Good luck, to you both.