Is Coaching an Issue?

[The Hawk]

Well, Joe Cowley sure thinks so. Between he and Van Gundy, Pax must be Count Dracula.

I do not have much doubt that Thibs and the front office do not get along. Why, I'm not sure. I am all over the place about it. Maybe because Thibs has wanted a certain team make-up and the front office hasn't given him what he wants? I don't know. Maybe because after Rose went down, the font office didn't expect the team to do so well instead of gathering better draft picks? I don't know. Maybe the front office wants him to rest guys up more? I don't know.

Truth be told, I have never liked Pax as a GM and the reason to me is that I think that he had chances to win championships that he blew because of not making better personnel moves. I can't prove it, but I believe it. I believe that prior to his injury, the Rose teams should have won at least one championship and possibly more. I also think that when Rose went down, that the Bulls did a horse shit job of giving Thibs some needed talent. Hence my opinion of the possibility that they wanted the Bulls to end up in better position draft wise.

 

[The Hawk]

I don't think the Bulls can win a championship with him playing his best players 40 minutes a game all regular season and driving them as hard as he does. I think he needs to change that at a minimum. I just don't know if he can or is willing to change.

I have heard people say that coaches tend not change until they get fired. I kind of wonder if Thibs is a second tenure champ.

Who are the Bulls best players who play 40 minutes a game all of the regular season? Seriously. That just has not happened. It is a big time exaggeration.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Who are the Bulls best players who play 40 minutes a game all of the regular season? Seriously. That just has not happened. It is a big time exaggeration.

Jimmy is so good he counts as players in the plural

 

[Scoot26]

Jimmy is so good he counts as players in the plural

Well if we're going off someones elses statement that one game makes a norm for players..no concern if its an OT game

Rose, Gasol, and Noah play 40 minutes. With Kirk Hinrich playing 38!!!!! Thibs needs to be reigned in!

 

[Crystallas]

lol


A Joe Cowley article hit my feed from the Sun Times. And I clicked. Just a warning, if you're like me and want to avoid giving traffic to lazy writers who are paid to cause trouble, more than be factual. Just like his track record of being wrong 100 times out of 101 about the Bulls.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Everybody's favorite radio duo was talking about the Cowley article yesterday. I haven't read it - if you have a link, that'd be great - but based on what they were saying about it yesterday, it seems that if the Bulls don't win it (or at the very least make the Finals) Thibs is gone. Honestly, as much as I love Thibs, it's fair. You have 5 years to build something, the team went from A to B, can Thibs take them to C??

It's a fair criticism to ask if Thibs is preparing them fully to make that playoff run.

 

[Scoot26]

Everybody's favorite radio duo was talking about the Cowley article yesterday. I haven't read it - if you have a link, that'd be great - but based on what they were saying about it yesterday, it seems that if the Bulls don't win it (or at the very least make the Finals) Thibs is gone. Honestly, as much as I love Thibs, it's fair. You have 5 years to build something, the team went from A to B, can Thibs take them to C??

It's a fair criticism to ask if Thibs is preparing them fully to make that playoff run.

I think that's dumb considering he didn't have great players the last two seasons and they massively overachieved in 2012-13.

I think if they had an early exit (1st or 2nd round loss) that's justified, but if they lose in the ECF, it is what it is.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Well, Joe Cowley sure thinks so. Between he and Van Gundy, Pax must be Count Dracula.

I do not have much doubt that Thibs and the front office do not get along. Why, I'm not sure. I am all over the place about it. Maybe because Thibs has wanted a certain team make-up and the front office hasn't given him what he wants? I don't know. Maybe because after Rose went down, the font office didn't expect the team to do so well instead of gathering better draft picks? I don't know. Maybe the front office wants him to rest guys up more? I don't know.

Truth be told, I have never liked Pax as a GM and the reason to me is that I think that he had chances to win championships that he blew because of not making better personnel moves. I can't prove it, but I believe it. I believe that prior to his injury, the Rose teams should have won at least one championship and possibly more. I also think that when Rose went down, that the Bulls did a horse shit job of giving Thibs some needed talent. Hence my opinion of the possibility that they wanted the Bulls to end up in better position draft wise.

Bulls are 13-11 at home, 17-6 on the road away from Pax.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I think that's dumb considering he didn't have great players the last two seasons and they massively overachieved in 2012-13.

I think if they had an early exit (1st or 2nd round loss) that's justified, but if they lose in the ECF, it is what it is.

Well as of now we're playing the almighty Cavs in round 1 so it's looking like bye bye Thibs.

Then Cleveland will immediately fire Blatt and hire Thibs. Cavs dynasty for next 4 years. :elephant:

 

[Scoot26]

Well K.C. Johnson has chimed in....

Several times over the years, Tom Thibodeau has reminded all how Tim Duncan averaged nearly 40 minutes in his first six seasons with the Spurs. He did it again Tuesday night before the Bulls' overtime victory over the Warriors.

Thibodeau routinely has made reference to how Phil Jackson rarely took Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen off the court during the Bulls dynasty. He also did that again in one of his next breaths after his Duncan point.

The Bulls coach has hammered home the theme of needing full participation in practice to build chemistry and continuity from the first day in training camp, when management and the medical staff placed restrictions on players.

But Thibodeau never had done so in such all-encompassing fashion as he did before and after one of the Bulls' most important victories of the season. And he certainly hadn't done so since ESPN broadcaster Jeff Van Gundy accused Bulls management of undermining Thibodeau, pulling back the curtain anew on that frayed relationship.

"The more you practice, the better you practice, the better you're going to play," Thibodeau said after the stirring victory. "That's time-tested, age-old, however else you want to describe it. That's what you gotta do if you want to win."

That Thibodeau said this the night before he merely had a film session and players worked out individually — no official practice serving as his nod to the Bulls' three-games-in-four-nights schedule — should remind all that a coach can't spend two-plus decades in the NBA without knowing how to pace a team.

But it also underscored how, despite last week's team meeting instead of a practice, Thibodeau isn't going to change, even while the speculation about his long-term future with the Bulls continues. Despite the two seasons left on the four-year extension Thibodeau took several months to sign in the 2012-13 season, several league sources believe Thibodeau's relationship with management is beyond repair.

And while there are no plans to replace Thibodeau during the season, a mutual parting of the ways after this season wouldn't surprise many league personnel familiar with the deteriorating dynamic.

"The only way you can improve execution and timing is really through repetition," Thibodeau said. "The only way you get repetition is you have to practice. … There's the school of thought that less minutes are better. There's also the school of thought that when you do less, you also become deconditioned."

This is how Thibodeau coaches. This is how he will continue to coach.

"No one talks about Phil," he said. "Phil has won more championships than anybody, and he played his main guys big minutes. Pau (Gasol) never averaged less than 371/2 minutes under Phil."

The Bulls have posted three impressive victories since last week's team meeting, albeit adding a clunker home loss to the Heat in between. The meeting occurred when Thibodeau first scheduled an unplanned practice after the desultory Jan. 19 road loss to the Cavaliers and later canceled it.

Theories followed that Thibodeau's approach would change. Someone who grinded his way through two decades as an assistant to a .655 regular-season winning percentage as a head coach typically stays the course.

After Tuesday's victory, Thibodeau offered unsolicited praise for Joakim Noah, calling it his best game of the season.
"I don't want to say anything crazy and then stink it up the next game," Noah said, smiling, about his night. "I feel like I moved all right. Just have to keep working."

That's all everyone associated with the Bulls can do.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...peculation-bulls-spt-0129-20150128-story.html

 

[clonetrooper264]

So is it Thibs or GarPax that is to blame? :elephant:

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So is it Thibs or GarPax that is to blame? :elephant:

Combination of both.

 

[Scoot26]

So is it Thibs or GarPax that is to blame? :elephant:

Well my first question is what is it that GarPax wants that Thibs won't do?

 

[Scoot26]

Then Cleveland will immediately fire Blatt and hire Thibs. Cavs dynasty for next 4 years. :elephant:

LeBron bitches in the media that his minutes need to stay low and the starters need to play less and the bench needs to play better.

Thibs would play Irving and LeBron 43 mpg.

Kevin Love would play Boozer minutes due to his shitty ass defense.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Well my first question is what is it that GarPax wants that Thibs won't do?

Probably playing Jimmy less than 40 minutes per game. Gasol less than 35...etc.

 

[clonetrooper264]

LeBron bitches in the media that his minutes need to stay low and the starters need to play less and the bench needs to play better.

Thibs would play Irving and LeBron 43 mpg.

Kevin Love would play Boozer minutes due to his shitty ass defense.

Shawn Marion is the new Luol Deng

 

[Scoot26]

Shawn Marion is the new Luol Deng

lol... Shawn Marion is retiring after this year.


My point was, I don't think LeBron would like Thibs.

 

[clonetrooper264]

lol... Shawn Marion is retiring after this year.


My point was, I don't think LeBron would like Thibs.

He'd have to try too hard

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

The firing of Ron Adams was the oddest thing. I get that you may have wanted 'to send a message' to Thibs, but you pissed off guys like Rose and Noah in the process. Not a smart thing all around.

 

[Crystallas]

Bulls are 13-11 at home, 17-6 on the road away from Pax.

ROTFL