IST: Cubs @ Giants

[DanTown]

Yeah but it is fine for Hendricks arguably your best pitcher to do

It is you being stupidp

SOMEONE has to bat. Assuming the injury risk is equal (it's not as Lester has literally gotten hurt RUNNING THE BASES), I can have Kyle stretch and be at the ballpark dressed and ready to go where as Lester is not.

 

[DanTown]

Wow Silence.


No. It is impossible to be dumb when dealing with people who do not have the ability to actually interact with people without reducing themselves to name calling you FUCKING MORON IMBECILEC MOTHER LOVJNG TIT SUCKING PEDOPHILE

I calmly laid out the reasons for why I believed what I did, you replied with "well I've coached baseball longer than you've been alive" which is

A. Highly irrelevant since the level of baseball you're coaching does not have the same factors that managing MLB games does
B. Useless in determining how much knowledge of the situation and game you actually possess

You never articulated a logical reason to why using Lester made sense besides "he's a better hitter" which isn't the question at hand. If the question is using the best hitter, the obvious answer is the position player and worry about emergency catching later.

 

[truthbedamned]

SOMEONE has to bat. Assuming the injury risk is equal (it's not as Lester has literally gotten hurt RUNNING THE BASES), I can have Kyle stretch and be at the ballpark dressed and ready to go where as Lester is not.

Care to share the stats on pitchers being hurt batting in the 11th inning? Include Strop. It is all good

Can’t figure out why you guys want to shed blood for Maddons and his decisions

 

[Fred Garvin]

Now, if you tell me the situation is runners at 2nd and 3rd, two outs, the question is to use Maldono or Hendricks, I'm willing to entertain the idea of burning the backup C to try and win the game right there but two things

1. As the road team, you HAVE to field again. You cannot "win" the game, all you can do is take the lead
2. The situation was two out, no one on which impacts the value of using a poor hitter like Maldonado

I get Maddons decision...but your chances of winning on the road in extra innings is already low....especially against the hottest team in the league. 2 out rally's DO happen. Big swings of the bat (as we saw with Sandoval's home run) do happen. Some would say you go for it. Try and take the lead and close it out in the bottom half. The chances.... like I said of winning are already low. You go for it. Conceding an inning..which is what Maddon did...and handing it back to the home team to walk it off in the bottom half seems almost riskier than going for it in the top half. Maddon's plan was...our bullpen shuts 'em down in their half..and we live to fight another inning..... fresh...with the looming potential of Maldonado hitting at another key point. Well...why not use him right then and there? You are saving him for potential heroics anyway.

 

[truthbedamned]

I calmly laid out the reasons for why I believed what I did, you replied with "well I've coached baseball longer than you've been alive" which is

A. Highly irrelevant since the level of baseball you're coaching does not have the same factors that managing MLB games does
B. Useless in determining how much knowledge of the situation and game you actually possess

You never articulated a logical reason to why using Lester made sense besides "he's a better hitter" which isn't the question at hand. If the question is using the best hitter, the obvious answer is the position player and worry about emergency catching later.

Exactly. We can debate the issue during the off-season while we are watching the WS

 

[Fred Garvin]

Care to share the stats on pitchers being hurt batting in the 11th inning? Include Strop. It is all good

Can’t figure out why you guys want to shed blood for Maddons and his decisions

We lost the game. So obviously his decisions didn't "play" (like Maddon likes to say). You either win or lose. In fairness...Lester may not even have been at the ballpark. I have issue with just conceding an inning...in an extra innings game on the road vs the hottest team in baseball. There's 3 outs an inning, Not TWO. 2 out rally's happen all the time. Maddon was saying...we give up this inning. We can't do anything. You guys go ahead and have at it in your half. I hate that attitude. If Maldonado is so important that you need to save him for later...why not USE him and give it a damn shot right then and there. The chances of winning are already low. The worst that would happen is Maldonado strikes out and you have no one left on the bench. But in a 13 inning game it's gonna be over soon anyway. You go for it. 3 outs an inning. Not two. You don't just give up cuz there's two outs when one run by the home team...as we saw....wins it for them.

 

[Fred Garvin]

I apologize for being redundant on these posts about this game..but these were two brutal...emotionally draining.... killer losses...that BOTH should have gone our way. Strop should never have been on the mound yesterday...and the extra inning decisions by Maddon basically insured we'd lose another one tonight. Players have to take their share of the blame. Rizzos 0-5. Schwarbers 0 for whatever didn't help. Baez didn't help. Garcia's failures didn't help. Brach NEVER helps...but a manager puts you in the best position to win. Strop DOES NOT do that. Pinch hitting a pitcher in extra innings doesn't do that either. These are two huge losses that could have/should have been wins. And as we saw last year...they can come back to haunt you big time. This was B R U T A L.

 

[SilenceS]

Mind blown. I feel like Im on the Bears board with shittier post and thats saying something.

 

[SilenceS]

Care to share the stats on pitchers being hurt batting in the 11th inning? Include Strop. It is all good

Can’t figure out why you guys want to shed blood for Maddons and his decisions

Care to share one coherent thought.

 

[MDB111™]

Do you guys remember the guy who said Kris Bryant was a shell of himself? God, I think about that post at least once a day.

I owned it though guy.
Im posting this as a shell of my former posting self.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Season is over guys. 2 tough losses... season over.

 

[anotheridiot]

I am not going to be upset when Brach is off this team, but that home run pitch was down, with movement that fat panda pushed over the fence. It was a ball. I am guessing that is where his hot zone is. I dont think he can get those arms up to hit anything up.

 

[HeHateMe]

All I can say is that loss was a bitter one and I almost completely lost my CHIT trying to think of a way it could have been better managed and I'm pretty sure that there will be no WS for this Cubs team if MADDON doens't get his CHIT together.

 

[SilenceS]

All I can say is that loss was a bitter one and I almost completely lost my CHIT trying to think of a way it could have been better managed and I'm pretty sure that there will be no WS for this Cubs team if MADDON doens't get his CHIT together.

Would you say not pinch hitting with Jon Lester was his downfall? I have managed/water boy'd a couple of seasons of beer league softball and would have went with the middle aged lefty. He may be pitching the next day, but no doubt in my mind he would have hit it into the mountains even from his hotel room.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Where is @Rory Sparrow to analyze this season ending loss?

 

[HeHateMe]

Would you say not pinch hitting with Jon Lester was his downfall? I have managed/water boy'd a couple of seasons of beer league softball and would have went with the middle aged lefty. He may be pitching the next day, but no doubt in my mind he would have hit it into the mountains even from his hotel room.

I rarely come around here unless it's after a loss but with every loss I do think it's usually because of a pinch hitting decision gone wrong. And to your point on the specifics of last night, what better way to get a pitcher pumped up for pitching the next day than putting him in the position to be the reason why the game is won, not lost, like it was last night, because he didn't get to pinch hit.

 

[DB012031]

Brach has been terrible this season, Yes, but that was actually a pretty good pitch he through last night on the Panda home run. Similar to when Davis hit the 2 run homer off Chapman in Game 7, he golfed the shit out of that ball, it wasn't necessarily a bad pitch.

My issue with the game, and it continues to be a theme, is Joe's piss poor IN GAME management. Joe burned through the Pen and all of his pitch hitters while the Giants still had pinch hitters available in the 13th inning. The Giants got multiple innings out of 2 of their relievers which allowed them to still have multiple players on the bench...Joe, once gain, NEVER got Chatwood up until the 13th inning...Why in the hell wasn't he brought in sooner to eat 2 or more innings...It would have saved the bench, thus having someone else bat instead of Hendricks or hell, Chatwood could have hit (he is actually a decent hitting pitcher).

There is literally no point to even use a roster spot on Chatwood if Joe refuses to use him. Last night would have been a perfect situation to use Tyler to eat some innings. If John struggles today, Chatwood better be the first arm up since we burned through everyone last night with exception of Pedro.

Also, the time is now to bring up Happ and see if the last month in AAA is a fluke or a real turning point for the kid. Russell, Bote and Descalso are dead sticks and the jury isn't out yet on Garcia. Last night was the first time where it looked like Garcia was pressing at the plate. Yes, the kid strikes out a lot, but if you watch the games, he is rarely striking out on bad pitches a la Baez. He strikes out on pitches that would have been strikes regardless, but last night, was the first time I saw really bad plate discipline.

 

[CSF77]

So again they don't use Chatwood. That game they could have leaned on him for 4 innings+

The Giants are just playing great baseball right now. There really is not much to make about this.

 

[anotheridiot]

I rarely come around here unless it's after a loss but with every loss I do think it's usually because of a pinch hitting decision gone wrong. And to your point on the specifics of last night, what better way to get a pitcher pumped up for pitching the next day than putting him in the position to be the reason why the game is won, not lost, like it was last night, because he didn't get to pinch hit.

Descalso went skipping like a little girl to first base after he took that walk. Must have felt like the first time he came thru as a pinch hitter in 2 months.

 

[MDB111™]

Times Maddon Pinches Pitchers= TMPP+ Pitchers Readiness at Times of Maddons Pinching Pitchers=PRaTMPP

Brachs PraTMPP is at all all time low. I really hope Maddon steps up his TMPP

ANALYTICS BABY