IST: Cubs @ Giants

[TL1961]

I don't care if you're a founding member of the National Association of Base Ball Players from 1857; your ideas and thoughts are still stupid. You trying to say "i've been doing X for so long" when X is "not managing or coaching in the big leagues" is useless, especially if your ideas are dumb.

I never understand how someone seems to think it’s a badge of honor to say they have been coaching for a long time while showing their ignorance of the game itself

If he’s been coaching he’s doing no one any favors

I know a few dads who coached sports they had no business coaching. It’s nothing to brag about.

 

[DanTown]

So when we are the wild card because of this meaningless game like last year and you lose versus letting Lester wear himself to the bone standing at the plate swinging the bat for a potential win?

You act as if the difference between Hendricks and Lester batting with two out and no one on is any way meaningful.

And if I care THAT much about individual games, shouldn't I care more about how many games Lester can pitch than the one game he bats with two out and no one on? In fact, if he's at the game AT ALL, it probably impacts his rest and ability to pitch well tomorrow and him pitching tomorrow is FAR more important to winning or losing a game than his plate appearance.

You simply are wrong. There is no argument you could try to make that is logical.

 

[truthbedamned]

I don't care if you're a founding member of the National Association of Base Ball Players from 1857; your ideas and thoughts are still stupid. You trying to say "i've been doing X for so long" when X is "not managing or coaching in the big leagues" is useless, especially if your ideas are dumb.

So suggesting having Lester bat instead of Hendricks is stupid? Like professional baseball players are so sensitive that would screw them up?

 

[Fred Garvin]

Agree or not with Maddon....his decisions tonight are gonna be criticized. Just sayin'.

 

[truthbedamned]

Whose we? You only come after losses as well. lol

I have been here the entire game. Not looking to pick a fight Silence

 

[DanTown]

Meaningless game? Yeah if they were up 10 plus games or they are the Dodgers but they aren’t either one of those so this game and every game is very important and at this rate they will be 5 games out behind the cardinals after their series next week in St. Louis. Team flat out can’t win on the road and it’s shaping up to be another 3-6, but probably worse than that road trip. Last year proved that even one game in July is very meaningful and the way the central is this year it once again is very meaningful.

IF every single game is meaningful, what's better for the Cubs

- Sending Lester back to the hotel to get rest for tomorrow
OR
- Keeping Lester at the ball park, having him get loose to potentially bat in a few innings, and then using him over Hendricks in a 2 out, none on situation

Once the game gets into the 12th+, yes it's meaningless and you care far more about preserving the team and the bullpen than you do about trying to win that one game, especially as a road team.

You guys can't even make good arguments.

 

[ijustposthere]

So when we are the wild card because of this meaningless game like last year and you lose versus letting Lester wear himself to the bone standing at the plate swinging the bat for a potential win?

Using Lester in that situation would've been a terrible idea.

 

[DanTown]

So suggesting having Lester bat instead of Hendricks is stupid? Like professional baseball players are so sensitive that would screw them up?

No, it has nothing to do with sensitivity and everything to do with allocating and managing resources and choosing how to deploy them. I have clearly lined out why using Lester (or even having him there) is insanely stupid. You can't make any reasonable argument. Go ahead and try to argue why using Lester over Hendricks is so vital that you'd have him there in the first place.

 

[truthbedamned]

I would have used Lester instead of Hendricks. Better bat which can not be disputed. Flame me all you wantMaddon had Almora batting 5

 

[choyne35]

IF every single game is meaningful, what's better for the Cubs

- Sending Lester back to the hotel to get rest for tomorrow
OR
- Keeping Lester at the ball park, having him get loose to potentially bat in a few innings, and then using him over Hendricks in a 2 out, none on situation

Once the game gets into the 12th+, yes it's meaningless and you care far more about preserving the team and the bullpen than you do about trying to win that one game, especially as a road team.

You guys can't even make good arguments.

I never said anything about Lester hitting, that was another poster and I don’t agree with that one. Lester or Hendricks doesn’t matter if there was 2 out and
No one on base but im
Saying that you calling this a meaningless game is totally ignorant. This game and this trip is very important and first place is slipping away and fast since the cardinals actually are winning their road games including coming from behind 7-0 in the 6th inning last week at the reds. When is the last time the cubs ever came back from that far down and that late in a game on the road?

 

[DanTown]

I would have used Lester instead of Hendricks. Better bat which can not be disputed. Flame me all you wantMaddon had Almora batting 5

Holy shit, you can't be this dumb. No one is disputing the actual AB of Lester v AB of Hendricks; the question is does it make sense to use Lester in that situation considering he's starting tomorrow and what it would take to get him ready to have a viable AB that makes it valuable to have him hitting in the first place.

The Almora thing is a completely different conversation that has nothing to do with you being absolutely, 100% dead wrong because again, you can't even make the argument that you want because you're too fucking stupid to connect dots.

 

[DanTown]

I never said anything about Lester hitting, that was another poster and I don’t agree with that one. Lester or Hendricks doesn’t matter if there was 2 out and
No one on base but im
Saying that you calling this a meaningless game is totally ignorant. This game and this trip is very important and first place is slipping away and fast since the cardinals actually are winning their road games including coming from behind 7-0 in the 6th inning last week at the reds. When is the last time the cubs ever came back from that far down and that late in a game on the road?

Reading comprehension is what matters and how I'm describing the "meaningless" of the game. Holy shit, don't be dumb.

 

[Fred Garvin]

Putting ANY pitcher in there to hit seemed like waving the white flag on a very important game. Theo said EVERY GAME is important..and it is. ..and we saw how one game screwed the Cubs last year. The option? Have Maldondo bat and hope for a home run or a 2 out rally...which DO happen. Just conceding an inning...in extra innings on the road...is just asking to lose that game...which eventually happened. You don't go "okay...hot home team. Have at it in the bottom half...we give up this inning". I get what Maddon did....but it didn't work. The losing of the game proves that.

 

[choyne35]

Reading comprehension is what matters and how I'm describing the "meaningless" of the game. Holy shit, don't be dumb.

Well the cubs better figure out how to win on the road and in San Francisco especially since they will
Be playing their wild card game there ?

 

[SilenceS]

We suck again!!!!!

 

[truthbedamned]

Holy shit, you can't be this dumb. No one is disputing the actual AB of Lester v AB of Hendricks; the question is does it make sense to use Lester in that situation considering he's starting tomorrow and what it would take to get him ready to have a viable AB that makes it valuable to have him hitting in the first place.

The Almora thing is a completely different conversation that has nothing to do with you being absolutely, 100% dead wrong because again, you can't even make the argument that you want because you're too fucking stupid to connect dots.

My god. You guys make it seem like picking up a bat and swinging it for your team is going to destroy his next start

You carry on. My bet is Lester would have loved to hit in that situation.


You are right. Hide these guys at the hotel until their next star

It is fucking baseball. Not brain surgery

 

[DanTown]

My god. You guys make it seem like picking up a bat and swinging it for your team is going to destroy his next start

You carry on. My bet is Lester would have loved to hit in that situation.


You are right. Hide these guys at the hotel until their next star

It is fucking baseball. Not brain surgery

Yeah, can't see any downside to letting pitchers hit in extra inning games. Never goes wrong.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...r-pitch-regular-season-due-strained-hamstring

Strop hurt his hamstring while running to first base on a double-play grounder in the 10th inning of the Cubs' 4-3 win at Washington on Thursday. It was just the second at-bat of the season for the 33-year-old right-hander.

Strop pitched 1 2/3 scoreless innings against the Nationals to earn the win. He was set to pitch the bottom the 10th after the Cubs took the lead and was allowed to bat with the bases loaded and one out

Some of you guys are just insanely stupid.

 

[choyne35]

We suck again!!!!!

Im guessing Theo and Jed are just going to wait until next Wednesday and sell since nothing is getting done at the moment and by then they will be 5 games out of first. Bold strategy,
Hope it pays off for them

 

[DanTown]

Putting ANY pitcher in there to hit seemed like waving the white flag on a very important game. Theo said EVERY GAME is important..and it is. ..and we saw how one game screwed the Cubs last year. The option? Have Maldondo bat and hope for a home run or a 2 out rally...which DO happen. Just conceding an inning...in extra innings on the road...is just asking to lose that game...which eventually happened. You don't go "okay...hot home team. Have at it in the bottom half...we give up this inning". I get what Maddon did....but it didn't work. The losing of the game proves that.

Now, if you tell me the situation is runners at 2nd and 3rd, two outs, the question is to use Maldono or Hendricks, I'm willing to entertain the idea of burning the backup C to try and win the game right there but two things

1. As the road team, you HAVE to field again. You cannot "win" the game, all you can do is take the lead
2. The situation was two out, no one on which impacts the value of using a poor hitter like Maldonado

 

[truthbedamned]

Yeah, can't see any downside to letting pitchers hit in extra inning games. Never goes wrong.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...r-pitch-regular-season-due-strained-hamstring

Strop hurt his hamstring while running to first base on a double-play grounder in the 10th inning of the Cubs' 4-3 win at Washington on Thursday. It was just the second at-bat of the season for the 33-year-old right-hander.

Strop pitched 1 2/3 scoreless innings against the Nationals to earn the win. He was set to pitch the bottom the 10th after the Cubs took the lead and was allowed to bat with the bases loaded and one out

Some of you guys are just insanely stupid.

Yeah but it is fine for Hendricks arguably your best pitcher to do

It is you being stupidp