IST: Cubs @ Nationals

[SilenceS]

Heyward catching that ball probably makes this a different game. The momentum stop him from making an incredible play. These are two good teams.

 

[Diehardfan]

We're seeing one, two and three from Washington....they're facing 3, 4 and 5 from the Cubs. Although, I doubt we win tonight's game regardless of who throws for the Cubs....tough enough beating Scherzer but the umpire giving him extra inches, makes it damn near impossible.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I would pick the Nationals tonight and in the series.

Just running into each other at a good time for nats, bad time for cubs.

Werth is waking up, which makes walking Harper costly, and Murphy too. Didn't Madden start that trend this year?


I'm disturbed this is the last series between these two, something tells me they are destined to meet in the NL Championship.

There can be only one

 

[chibears55]

All they need is an ex steroid user and they will really be unstoppable

@CSNChicago: If #Cubs think big at trade deadline, Anthony Rizzo is cool with Aroldis Chapman
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Rizzo says go for it....

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[TC in Mississippi]

@CSNChicago: If #Cubs think big at trade deadline, Anthony Rizzo is cool with Aroldis Chapman
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Rizzo says go for it....

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I don't think the Cubs will be OK with Chapman though. He's not the kind of guy they like to target and I've heard more than one national writer agree with that. I think Miller is a real possibility depending on cost. The other thing with Chapman is that it would be a pretty difficult thing to bring him in, give him Rondon's job which he's done nothing to lose, and then next year ask Rondon to be the guy again. That kind of thing is problematic in general and not really in this team's DNA IMHO.

 

[beckdawg]

I'm still entirely unconvinced the cubs have the money to pay Miller. Coghlan is making $4.8 mil this year. They dealt him once to save money for Fowler. When they later reacquired him they made what appears to be a corresponding move for money in essentially selling Dunston to the Giants. Miller is making $9 mil a year for the next 3 which is nearly double what they took on for Cogs. And obviously this is before we even talk prospects. So my question is why would that make sense for the cubs when you can target someone like Fernando Abad who is making $1.25 mil, is Arb eligible next year and in all likelihood comes at a reduced prospect price?

 

[DanTown]

I'm still entirely unconvinced the cubs have the money to pay Miller. Coghlan is making $4.8 mil this year. They dealt him once to save money for Fowler. When they later reacquired him they made what appears to be a corresponding move for money in essentially selling Dunston to the Giants. Miller is making $9 mil a year for the next 3 which is nearly double what they took on for Cogs. And obviously this is before we even talk prospects. So my question is why would that make sense for the cubs when you can target someone like Fernando Abad who is making $1.25 mil, is Arb eligible next year and in all likelihood comes at a reduced prospect price?

Because Abad is your dime a dozen pop-up reliever who probably will regress to his career norms soon where as Miller is an elite closer/set-up guy?

Also, the Coghlan thing was probably a hat-tip to Coghlan (a Boras client) getting him starter level playing time the year before his FA instead of being a fifth outfielder as opposed to "we just have no more money". Second, the Cubs have a ton of money coming off next year (Edwin Jackson, Travis Wood, Dexter Fowler, David Ross, Chris Coghlan, Cahill) and while the Zobrist/Heyward signings will eat a lot of that, when you bring in Almora, Contreras as replacements there opens up money for an elite set-up guy.

Arrieta+Lackey+Lester = 20 innings
Hammel+Hendricks = 11 innings
Rondon+Miller = 5 innings
Everyone Else = 9 innings

 

[beckdawg]

Also, the Coghlan thing was probably a hat-tip to Coghlan (a Boras client) getting him starter level playing time the year before his FA instead of being a fifth outfielder as opposed to "we just have no more money".

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-trade-chris-coghlan-20160225-story.html

TThe Cubs' trade of outfielder Chris Coghlan and his $4.8 million salary to the A's was necessary to make room for the free-agent signing of Dexter Fowler, President Theo Epstein said Thursday.

Theo specifically said the reason they traded Coghlan away was money. As for Abad vs Miller, sure Miller is a better pitcher. But the cubs don't need a closer or a 8th inning guy. They need someone other than Wood who can get lefties out and isn't their 7th-9th inning guys(Grimm/Rondon/Strop). On his career, lefties have hit Abad .240/.291/.391. This year they are hitting .097/.125/.133. Abad isn't an elite set up man but that's not the point. He's an effective guy against lefties. Now I'm not specifically saying the cubs need to trade for him as opposed to other possible players who fit that mold. What I'm saying is paying $9 mil a year for a guy who's not going to close for the cubs is entirely over the top especially when the cubs have come out and said the are near maxed out on their budget.

 

[DanTown]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-trade-chris-coghlan-20160225-story.html



Theo specifically said the reason they traded Coghlan away was money. As for Abad vs Miller, sure Miller is a better pitcher. But the cubs don't need a closer or a 8th inning guy. They need someone other than Wood who can get lefties out and isn't their 7th-9th inning guys(Grimm/Rondon/Strop). On his career, lefties have hit Abad .240/.291/.391. This year they are hitting .097/.125/.133. Abad isn't an elite set up man but that's not the point. He's an effective guy against lefties. Now I'm not specifically saying the cubs need to trade for him as opposed to other possible players who fit that mold. What I'm saying is paying $9 mil a year for a guy who's not going to close for the cubs is entirely over the top especially when the cubs have come out and said the are near maxed out on their budget.

You pay one year but then next year, you can basically stop paying the 11 or 12 million you're giving Cahill, Wood, Richard, etc and just pay Miller and pre-arb rookies like CJ Edwards.

I'm saying that maybe the budget is close to max this year (and I highly doubt it's that close to max after the start they've had) but it's a flexible thing in some regard. Getting Miller for half the year is like 4 million.

 

[SilenceS]

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You do know I have put all this rumors in around the MLB thread? Everyone knows they are having talks. These talks have started with Baez and schwarber which the Cubs have said no and hell no. There yalls are starting at maybe soler. Also, I brought up Nathan evoldi almost over a month ago as a target that could intrigue them. You seem to think that people are saying that avenues will not be explored. I also think they look at Tyson Ross is he comes and sonny gray. I also read rumors of the Cubs going after Joey bats. Does that make them true? Don't know.


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[SilenceS]

Rondon isn't losing his job


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[Omeletpants]

I would reluctantly trade Soler if that's what it takes

 

[Parade_Rain]

I would reluctantly trade Soler if that's what it takes

I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of Soler was a "bag of shit".

 

[chibears55]

You do know I have put all this rumors in around the MLB thread? Everyone knows they are having talks. These talks have started with Baez and schwarber which the Cubs have said no and hell no. There yalls are starting at maybe soler. Also, I brought up Nathan evoldi almost over a month ago as a target that could intrigue them. You seem to think that people are saying that avenues will not be explored. I also think they look at Tyson Ross is he comes and sonny gray. I also read rumors of the Cubs going after Joey bats. Does that make them true? Don't know.


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I know..

This was just a tongue in cheek response to what you posted on this thread about not wanting an ex steroids guy.. just saying Rizzo dont mind it..

the other part.. I said they should look into making a deal with Yankees before it became a known possibility.
Some on here said they wouldn't do it because of money and or not wanting to trade prospects.

That is all..........

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[chibears55]

I'm still entirely unconvinced the cubs have the money to pay Miller. Coghlan is making $4.8 mil this year. They dealt him once to save money for Fowler. When they later reacquired him they made what appears to be a corresponding move for money in essentially selling Dunston to the Giants. Miller is making $9 mil a year for the next 3 which is nearly double what they took on for Cogs. And obviously this is before we even talk prospects. So my question is why would that make sense for the cubs when you can target someone like Fernando Abad who is making $1.25 mil, is Arb eligible next year and in all likelihood comes at a reduced prospect price?

I think and more so hope that in a season where youre 60 plus games in and pretty much dominating and controlling their own destiny for a WS championship.
If they have an opportunity to add a player or two that could strengthen their chances of winning it all..
Id hope if they can agree on players to be traded that half season salary wouldn't sour them of making the deal.

Id hope not and dont think the Ricketts wouldn't turn into the Tribune and veto a trade that would bolster a WS opportunity because they will go over the budget they set before the season.

I think theyll extend for the right players, especially because their right there this season and you never know what will happen next year.

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[chibears55]

Rondon isn't losing his job


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I really dont think they want Chapman. .

I think their more interested in
The RH name escape me now and Miller



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[beckdawg]

You pay one year but then next year, you can basically stop paying the 11 or 12 million you're giving Cahill, Wood, Richard, etc and just pay Miller and pre-arb rookies like CJ Edwards.

I'm saying that maybe the budget is close to max this year (and I highly doubt it's that close to max after the start they've had) but it's a flexible thing in some regard. Getting Miller for half the year is like 4 million.

Next year's budget doesn't matter. You can't rob next year to pay for this year in business. That's just not how things are run. Now maybe the ownership would open their wallets to "win" but they've not really given any indication that they are Stienbrenner. Everything they and the front office has said is the team has to be self sustaining and all the profit goes back into the team. Additionally, if they had any wiggle room it's almost assuredly used up. Theo talked about this going into the winter trying to find additional money to sign Heyward.

And even if the money was no object, it doesn't change the fact that Miller is overkill for what they need. Strop and Rondon have been great as 8th/9th inning guys. Miller is making more than both of them combined and you're going to use him as what, a 7th/8th inning guy? He's a great reliever but he should be closing for a team not mopping up guys in the 7th. The cubs have the 8th and 9th figured out and Cahill/Wood have been solid in their roles. Grimm hasn't been fantastic but we've seen he's capable of the 7th inning role last year. So, the cubs have solid options especially if Edwards comes up and pitches well in the 2nd half. What they are missing is what Richard is suppose to do. Get left handed batters out when they can't use Wood. You don't need Miller for that. There's any number of left handed arms that can get lefties out at substantially less money/prospect cost.

 

[beckdawg]

I think and more so hope that in a season where youre 60 plus games in and pretty much dominating and controlling their own destiny for a WS championship.
If they have an opportunity to add a player or two that could strengthen their chances of winning it all..
Id hope if they can agree on players to be traded that half season salary wouldn't sour them of making the deal.

I mean I could be wrong here but I strongly doubt that's how you run a business. As i mentioned in the post above, Theo talked about getting creative with money in order to afford Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward. Outside of Ricketts just giving the team money I strongly doubt they have substantial reserves left. And if you look at the moves they made, I think it's pretty obvious that is the case. Why would you sign Joe Nathan if you knew you had the money to deal for Miller?

Regardless, as I've said, I think Miller is overkill for their needs. You can find a good LOOGY who will likely have just as much impact as Miller would and you're both paying him less and you're giving up less to get him.

 

[Omeletpants]

I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of Soler was a "bag of shit".

Sarcasm

 

[Diehardfan]

I don't really care what the NY writers have to say....there is no way in hell the Cubs will move valuable pieces of the puzzle to pick up a guy that faces one or two hitters a game.

That's the kind of crap this franchise would pull pre-Theo.