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I hope he improves cause I was thrilled when the CUbs got him

But he works on his swing with a hitting coach everyday. Why do we need o wait for next year for a change

Because they're probably trying to make small corrections to get him back on track in hopes of salvaging some value this season. A complete rebuild of his swing would almost have to take place in the offseason.
 

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I hope he improves cause I was thrilled when the Cubs got him

But he works on his swing with a hitting coach everyday. Why do we need to wait for next year for a change

I think what happened was that they worked on it in the offseason after he signed and then he had the wrist issue that he told no one about for 6 weeks. I think it messed up his swing and he could neither get to what they worked on or what he was doing last year with success. It's hard to change things on the fly although I am disappointed that there's been almost no progress. That said this guy is considered one of the hardest working guys in the game and I don't think it's from lack of effort. Baseball is the one game where you actually can try too hard and get hurt by it.
 

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He has a terrible swing, especially for his frame, but it's been especially bad this year. Even he just got back to what he's done in the past he'd be putting up his career numbers and I think he can work on it this winter. I just don't believe players of his caliber drop off the map at 26.
NO, but I'm not going to send a bunch of players away to take that risk.
 

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I think what happened was that they worked on it in the offseason after he signed and then he had the wrist issue that he told no one about for 6 weeks. I think it messed up his swing and he could neither get to what they worked on or what he was doing last year with success. It's hard to change things on the fly although I am disappointed that there's been almost no progress. That said this guy is considered one of the hardest working guys in the game and I don't think it's from lack of effort. Baseball is the one game where you actually can try too hard and get hurt by it.
Maybe the hitting instruction he is currently getting isn't the right instruction.

edit: And I want to clarify that this isn't a slam on the Cubs' instructor. It's clear these younger players are getting better. It's just that sometimes people need to hear a different voice than what is being provided in order for something to get fixed.
 
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Maybe the hitting instruction he is currently getting isn't the right instruction.

edit: And I want to clarify that this isn't a slam on the Cubs' instructor. It's clear these younger players are getting better. It's just that sometimes people need to hear a different voice than what is being provided in order for something to get fixed.

You may very well be right. They're going to look at every angle in the offseason. Mallee may not be the right guy for him, but he looked better in the spring than he has since.
 

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Szczur just had a multi-HR game. In limited action over his career, he's figured out the swing plane and improved every year. If his D is on par with Fowler's, and Fowler is gone next season, Szczur is best CF option and best leadoff option. The Cubs have one of the best team D in baseball and that's with Fowler in CF. I would be keeping Heyward in RF. Almora isn't a headliner, but he has plenty of value to be more than a throw-in in a trade.
I agree

Szczur has played himself into an option for starting CFer next year ..



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Define the eye test. Like that's my problem with people saying things like that. Who are we comparing Almora to? If it's other CF then I don't think the argument against him holds much weight. I think everyone can agree he's probably a top 5 CF defensively given the scouting reports and what we've seen. An average MLB CF this year is hitting .258/.324/.406(95 wRC+). That's not some herculean jump from the .265/.291/.422 (87 wRC+) Almora has hit this year. He's like 7% worse in his first call up than an average MLB CF in terms of wRC+.

I'm not even trying to suggest he will ever be a great OBP guy. But I think he can pretty easily be a .275-.280 hitter with a .310-.320 OBP once he adjusts to the league. He slugged .419 in the minors and has been better than that in the majors thus far in his career. So chances are he's probably going to have more power(slightly) than a typical CF and he'll hit for better average but he'll be below average in terms of OBP.

Ultimately, I think people have a skewed opinion of what CF are in terms of bats. Those numbers include probably the best player in baseball(Trout) as well as Cespedes who's really more of a corner OF guy than a prototypical CF, and Ian Desmond who up until last year was a SS. Outside of those 3 your better CF bats are Bradley Jr., Tyler Naquin, Charlie Blackmon, Fowler, Joc Pederson, Marcell Ozuna, Rajai Davis, Cameron Maybin, Odubel Herrera, Tommy Pham..... I mean it falls off pretty quick.

100 years before anyone had even heard of metrics....the eye test was the primary way for scouts to determine what is or what is not major league material. Some may admit this, others won't but I'm fairly certain that it's still prevalent today.
 

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100 years before anyone had even heard of metrics....the eye test was the primary way for scouts to determine what is or what is not major league material. Some may admit this, others won't but I'm fairly certain that it's still prevalent today.

Extremely prevalent, Theo and them love metrics but he talks all the time about seeing players over numbers.
 

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Thats what Jake gets. Man, he has just lost all confidence in trusting his stuff.
 

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Yep, this team is dead in the water....walks give them life. That's just dumb baseball.

He gets too cute. Its like he wants to throw a no hitter every time. Then, he walks some people. Then, he goes oh shit and will throw a meatball.
 

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He gets too cute. Its like he wants to throw a no hitter every time. Then, he walks some people. Then, he goes oh shit and will throw a meatball.
We are winning so be happy with that?
 

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This Cubs offense is just flowing. Davies isnt a terrible pitcher.
 

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This Cubs offense is just flowing. Davies isnt a terrible pitcher.

Funny how this game plays out over a long season. It wasn't all that long ago that any stiff that could throw a baseball looked like Bob Gibson to them.
 

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This guy behind the plate is actually doing a pretty good job. Shows you how much pitchers rely on bad umpiring and pitch framing.
 

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God damn just stop to pitch around the Brewers like we are facing Trout and Harper
 

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Can we please just keep this goof back in Iowa?
 

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