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Worked? I'd say it was more like he was gang raped by 1 man. Similar to what Pacino did to Theron in "A Devil's Advocate."
Worked? I'd say it was more like he was gang raped by 1 man. Similar to what Pacino did to Theron in "A Devil's Advocate."
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:doorrofl: why do y'all like the Cubs? :thinking:
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I think I was the only Sox Fan here last night and none of my comments could be construed as trolling
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Which is precisely why overreacting to the first game of 162 is such nonsense. The Cubs are going to be fine, they're going be be competitive well into the season. Your 1 through 4 guys won't go 2 for 16 every night and you won't go 0 for 13 with RISP. As shaky as Lester was, he still managed to get 6 Ks, meaning the 'stuff' is certainly there.
And what's funny is that, all things considered, he looked pretty good when Houston picked him back up after we dumped his carcass. Oh well :dunno:
Well, considering my expectations are always 162-0.... I'm thoroughly disappointed and refuse to watch another Cubs game for the rest of the season.
Because I love getting to pee in a trough the handful of times I visit Wrigley every year. It's just so liberating.
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Here's something to look at as a positive. Last season their opener vs the pirates they saw 154 pitches in 10 innings. Last night they saw 156 in 9. Alcantara saw an impressive 13 in 2 PAs. La Stella also saw an impressive 19 in 3 PAs. Fowler, Soler, Rizzo and Olt were also ok.
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I get that JimJohnson should get a permaban from this site. He's an awful poster, but...please tell me what went right last night? It's only one game and I'm guessing that Soler will perform a lot better in RF than he did. There were a lot of opening night jitters. Lester/Ross? Lester was unimpressive and if a LHP can't hold baserunners on, there is no reason to be a LHP. He'd better figure that out quick. Rizzo? The Plate Umpire was garbage last night, but when you get a guy to 3B, it's his job to get him in and he wanted to walk on pitches close to the plate instead. I expect the Cubs to take this series, but Opening Night was a big disappointment.
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I don't understand Soler batting second against Wainwright. Coghlan would have made more sense there.
Wainwright did not have great stuff but had the guile to get it done.
People should be concerned with Lester never throwing over. Teams are going to mess with him all year until he picks someone off or shows it won't rattle him.
Just one game but Heyward looks like a huge pickup especially batting between Carpenter and Holiday.
Wainwright did not have great stuff but had the guile to get it done.
People should be concerned with Lester never throwing over. Teams are going to mess with him all year until he picks someone off or shows it won't rattle him.
Just one game but Heyward looks like a huge pickup especially batting between Carpenter and Holiday.
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Soler is essentially your 3rd hitter with the pitcher batting 8th.
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They are going to be up and down all year.
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Tim Kurkjian was talking on ESPN saying studies are being done but they are showing that the reason players are striking out at a much higher rate is because they are seeing a lot of pitches. They are letting go hittable balls to get that perfect ball and in the majors the perfect ball doesnt come much. He quoted a hall of famer saying I swung at the first pitch I could hit because I never knew if I would get another one. It made a lot of sense to me because that is essentially why Kris Bryant strikes out a lot. Certain players it is not a bad thing, but in other players that approach may be hurting them more then helping them.
Edit: I remember the hall of famer he quoted and it is was Paul Molitor.
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Absolutely nothing positive comes from a strikeout. It's laughable how much guys k now but it is the new way.
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Perhaps but I tend to believe seeing more pitches isn't really a negative. For one, even if bullpens are better these days than in the past they still in general aren't as good as your starter for obvious reasons. I also believe it has a cumulative effect throughout a series. If you can go into a teams bull pen in the first game they aren't going to have the same level of quality available throughout the series.
There's also the aspect of making the pitcher perform. I can live with a guy who strikes out if he makes a pitcher throw 4-5 pitches an at bat because eventually the pitcher is going to make a mistake he can capitalize on.
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Yes that is true. I just think some guys are getting hung up on looking for the perfect pitch.
You are taught as far back as Little League to protect the plate with two strikes and I see that happening less then ever.
You are taught as far back as Little League to protect the plate with two strikes and I see that happening less then ever.
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Yes, the actually knock on Bryant is he is always looking for the perfect pitch and they worry about that for when he comes up. He is going to have to figure out when its just a good enough pitch because major league pitchers arent going to make a ton of mistakes. These are the types of adjustments I believe will make him struggle at times and why I tell people to keep expectations in check. He is young and still has lots to learn. These are the best of the best. This isnt ps4.
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The RF isn't going to be "up and down" all year. There are only so many scenarios a RF has to run through his head pre-pitch. As for "all year" I guess you expect them not to learn much. I expect improvement throughout the season. That's the way teaching and learning works. It doesn't mean a team isn't going to lay a complete egg once in a while.
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I'm not going to profess to be amazing at teaching hitting or anything but I'd honestly wonder if it's not more a case of waiting for a pitch you can do something with rather than waiting on the perfect pitch. Obviously with 2 strikes you're hacking off whatever you can but early in the count it's not really worth swinging if you're not going to be able to make solid contact.
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Yes, I expect up and downs all year. You still looking at Kris Bryant coming up, maybe Javy, maybe Cj Edwards. They will get better but young players very rarely show consistency this young. They have peaks and valley's. Its one game. I wouldnt over analyze anything.
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No. I do not expect Soler to have the jitters and forget to do fundamentally correct things. Last September he would have thrown that runner out at 2B. I expect them to consistently improve. I expect Lester to throw to a fracking base every now and then, too. Physical errors are part of the game. Mental errors? I expect those to get cleaned up...Bryant or no Bryant, CJ or no CJ. There can be no peaks and valleys with mental errors if a team wants to compete. The Cubs say they do.
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They said they were trying to compete in 2012. They will be competitive, but I dont expect them to be world beaters. A lot has to go right. Soler had a bad day. It happens. If it continues, then thats a problem. First game of the season. Nationally televised game and monster expectations. You can get caught up in the moment. The vets should be able to handle themselves, but their is a learning curve for young ones.
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They didn't look trolling to me.
I think most of us Cubs fans are just really wound up. After watching Theo purposefully tank season after season, there was hope that there'd be a change.
There wasn't.
Last night was not the light at the end of the tunnel moment we've all been waiting for.
Bats still sucked. Our "ace" was out matched by far by the other teams starting pitcher. The defense was still making dumb errors. And to boot, Wrigley looked like complete crap. Almost embarrassing...
No. No one I know is expecting to the Cubs to win the division - or even make the playoffs. But, we all expected better - and once again - were let down.
Then we look across town and see a team who doesn't purposefully tank - who on paper - has a better team than the Cubs do this year. And we realize that most of our hopes are stuck in the minors because our GM would rather throw a few more games to start the season than have to negotiate with his stars in a few years. And one of those "hopes" strikes out more than he makes contact. And another one is mouthing off to the media about why he's already disappointed with the team.
That's why Cubs fans were so sensitive.