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You are honestly going to say that Russell does anything more?

Yes, because it's true. I am mystified at your outrage over this. Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the world, but it is not a grievous personal insult to him to say that there are lots of CFers who play better defense. Javy Baez is an MVP-caliber baseball player, and a far more valuable all-around player than Russell, but he is not the best defensive shortstop on the team.

Arm? Baez. Range? Baez. Bat? Baez. What am I missing?

I literally specified the things you are missing in my previous two posts. I'm not going to do it again. As for Baez's range, he's 12th among SS this year in UZR. His career UZR/150 at SS is -0.4.

You are legit arguing for a guy that hasnt succeeded in shit.

"Hasn't succeeded in shit?" 8.8 WAR in four years and averaging 2.7 WAR/162 for a still-developing player is "not succeeding"? This is just insane. You're not being rational. Russell is an elite-level defender at SS, and unquestionably better than Baez. No SS in baseball not named Andrelton Simmons has more DRS since 2016.

Bote is a better 3rd baseman than Bryant. Should Bote start over Bryant?

I think they should both start with Bryant playing more OF, which is his best defensive position. Bote's bat and defense play, and he's earned being in the lineup regularly. Why is it blasphemy to suggest both Baez and Russell should start at the positions they both excel at and both be on the field at the same time?
 

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I didn't quite catch the full context but I believe JD said the cubs have played the fewest home games of any team in the majors which makes the 16-12 they've run off pretty impressive. Most good teams are like .500 on the road and .600+ at home.

They've got a good team, but the BP is gonna cost them in the end. Somehow, they're something like 7-1 when leading after five innings right now though.
 

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TL:DR and not even being a dick. I been drinking. I just want to focus is Russell isnt part of the best 8. Bote is a top flight defenser at third that can play other positions. His stick and clutchness has been great. Russell legit hasnt had a stick since 16. He isnt better than Baez at short. Yet again to everyone, you dont move your best player for an inferior player. Russell is not important to this team.
I'm cool with that. I'm not going to definitively say he is or isn't one of the top 8 guys. If you want to that's fine and I get it. I liked what he did April-June before he got hurt and before he got caught beating his wife but I also acknowledge he's never put together a full season as a hitter. That's why i'm more in the camp of let Joe decide. Maybe all this time off has actually helped him. I honestly don't know.
 

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Lol a 30 yo 6'5 250 pound first time full time CFer...
Yeah, dont see much ground being covered out there..

He a GG RFer, just leave him be
So I guess his 50% success chance sliding catch meant nothing

That is fine. He is not playing today. Let's see if Almora starts to make a arguement other wise

Ya know your opinion can be amusing. We had Fowler for 2 years playing CF. And he was far worse than Heyward there. But don't let facts confuse your opinions
 

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Yes, because it's true. I am mystified at your outrage over this. Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the world, but it is not a grievous personal insult to him to say that there are lots of CFers who play better defense. Javy Baez is an MVP-caliber baseball player, and a far more valuable all-around player than Russell, but he is not the best defensive shortstop on the team.



I literally specified the things you are missing in my previous two posts. I'm not going to do it again. As for Baez's range, he's 12th among SS this year in UZR. His career UZR/150 at SS is -0.4.



"Hasn't succeeded in shit?" 8.8 WAR in four years and averaging 2.7 WAR/162 for a still-developing player is "not succeeding"? This is just insane. You're not being rational. Russell is an elite-level defender at SS, and unquestionably better than Baez. No SS in baseball not named Andrelton Simmons has more DRS since 2016.



I think they should both start with Bryant playing more OF, which is his best defensive position. Bote's bat and defense play, and he's earned being in the lineup regularly. Why is it blasphemy to suggest both Baez and Russell should start at the positions they both excel at and both be on the field at the same time?

I'm not against this. I'm not sold that Bote is everyday on a contender though.
 

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I'm not against this. I'm not sold that Bote is everyday on a contender though.

It's perfectly reasonable to still be a Bote skeptic at this point, but he's on pace for a 3-4 WAR season @ 550 PAs. His K% is way down this year to 19% and his BB% is steady at 10%. The exit velocity doesn't lie, and his BABIP isn't out of whack, so there's no reason to expect a big regression coming. They haven't tried him at leadoff yet, but his numbers suggest he'd be one of the Cubs' better options there (.354 OBP).
 

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So I guess his 50% success chance sliding catch meant nothing

That is fine. He is not playing today. Let's see if Almora starts to make a arguement other wise

Ya know your opinion can be amusing. We had Fowler for 2 years playing CF. And he was far worse than Heyward there. But don't let facts confuse your opinions
Lol..sliding catches???
So balls that most CFers would get to and catch standing up but he has to slide to try and catch ..

All I'm saying is, I'd rather have a more mobile, true CFer and leave Heyward who a proven gold glove alone in RF

Your opinions are way off the chart with some of your suggestions....
 

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So it's interesting they are paring darvish with davis again. I mean could just work out that days of rest is time but does make me wonder if my initial thought of those to working together game plan wise than darvish and contreras.
 

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So it's interesting they are paring darvish with davis again. I mean could just work out that days of rest is time but does make me wonder if my initial thought of those to working together game plan wise than darvish and contreras.
Could be both and also, Hamels Lester Hendricks being vets probably prefers Contreras over a guy who probably wouldn't be on any team roster outside of injuries..
Q and Contreras has had success so why mess with that now
 

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Lol..sliding catches???
So balls that most CFers would get to and catch standing up but he has to slide to try and catch ..

All I'm saying is, I'd rather have a more mobile, true CFer and leave Heyward who a proven gold glove alone in RF

Your opinions are way off the chart with some of your suggestions....

Nice ducking the Fowler/Heyward comp. Didn't see a sub par Fowler trainwrecking the Cubs in 16.
 

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It's perfectly reasonable to still be a Bote skeptic at this point, but he's on pace for a 3-4 WAR season @ 550 PAs. His K% is way down this year to 19% and his BB% is steady at 10%. The exit velocity doesn't lie, and his BABIP isn't out of whack, so there's no reason to expect a big regression coming. They haven't tried him at leadoff yet, but his numbers suggest he'd be one of the Cubs' better options there (.354 OBP).

I personally believe that they should sign Scooter in the off-season to lead off and play 2B.

Getting to the when Russell debate well it will play out the way it does.

On Bote. That is a interesting take. I'm still skeptical on him as a every day solution. I do believe if Russell came back with flying colors and Bryant suggests that Baez takes over 3B (past info shows Javy is a GG quality player there) and he moves into the OF Full time. Pushing Almora/Schwarber/Zo into less playing time. And Heyward as the primary CF.

Then it puts Bote as the prime 2B. He would have Descenso and Zo to fend off but that is a lesser task.

But all said and done I would prefer a F/A sign like Scotter to deal with the lead off unless Bote just runs with it.

And again. Heyward has played a better CF than Fowler. Almora is still there when the situation dictates.

Now if Almora gets back to a .300 hitter then this issue solves itself. He lacks the BB to argue otherwise.
 

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Nice ducking the Fowler/Heyward comp. Didn't see a sub par Fowler trainwrecking the Cubs in 16.
Ducking Fowler comparison?????

Fowler has over 1000 games played in CF..
You want to put a guy Heyward size who a GG RFer of over 1100 games there, and just start him everyday in CF now where he played 100 games at.. lol .. come on man..

I'm ok with giving him a start here and there in CF now cause they dont really have anyone else besides Almora but the dude a certified GG RFer, that where he belongs full time...
He not gonna give you GG defense in CF like he will in RF
 

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Ducking Fowler comparison?????

Fowler has over 1000 games played in CF..
You want to put a guy Heyward size who a GG RFer of over 1100 games there, and just start him everyday in CF now where he played 100 games at.. lol .. come on man..

I'm ok with giving him a start here and there in CF now cause they dont really have anyone else besides Almora but the dude a certified GG RFer, that where he belongs full time...
He not gonna give you GG defense in CF like he will in RF

Again you are ducking the comp.

Fowler proved to not be a quality before and after his tour with the Cubs. He proved to be adaquate at best. But he brought a OBA near .400.

Heyward's OBA is better at .422 and he is a better quality glove off position than Fowler was on position. Again if he was this quality CF he would be there now.


So again if Almora just gets hot again and pushes his BA over .300 this point becomes moot. But if he is scraping at .260 with no OPS for shit the glove is equal to 4th OF
 

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Darvish wasn't super sharp through the first but he got through it. Hopefully he can sharpen up his command as the game goes along
 

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Fowler helping the cubs out. Gotta love that dude.
 

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Cubs hit every ball that inning right at someone. Tough luck
 

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