IST: Cubs vs. DBacks

[TL1961]

And to give reasonings why it is not a bad idea.

Closer is high leverage. Yu has that. Rest of the starters lack it

Going by the starting 5. Yu is the loose chain. Rest have been solid.

Going into Chatwood.. well he is spot starting anyways. Montgomery did a solid job last year. This is basically status Que with Darvish utilized to fix the major issue.

I see it as they can skip starts on off days anyways. It would be a 4 man rotation with a spot start when needed. Basically status que.

Having a stable 9th pays off more than the games that Chatwood and Montgomery are needed.

Add to it it might open opertunity for Alozay later year. Spot starter is lower impact than a closer 100% of the time

This will come to head sooner or later.

Interesting timing. We lost a game due entirely to the starter, and you discuss how closer is more vital. Then you suggest the very guy who was scored on in his first inning of work.

To top it off, you suggest the starter we yank get replaced by a guy who couldn't win a start all of last year - a guy who can't get through three innings.

Simply take a career starter and convert him to a closer on the spot?
A four man rotation that includes two guys mid-thirties? (One of whom is currently on the IL)

Yikes.

(BTW....Status Quo)

 

[chibears55]

If you think teams generally win when facing Grienke, you're fooling yourself. We combined the Darbish loss with the "up against Greinke' loss. That's a positive.5

This was his best start all year and he owned them..
Taking nothing away from Greinke but come on , they did nothing against him today but a couple wind blown hits..
I got nothing against the offense, this is going to happen throughout the year..
Just would of been nice to see a little production today

I'm just not convinced that the overall pitching is all great again just because they owned the Marlins ..

Bullpen has nothing to hang your hat on that you can trust all year..

Outside of Hamels, I'm not ready to say any of these starters are fully back til I see them individually having multiple good starts in a row..

We'll see, I said I wanted to see how they fare the next 2 weeks after the Marlins series facing good teams..
So far 1 and 1

 

[Diehardfan]

Interesting timing. We lost a game due entirely to the starter, and you discuss how closer is more vital. Then you suggest the very guy who was scored on in his first inning of work.

To top it off, you suggest the starter we yank get replaced by a guy who couldn't win a start all of last year - a guy who can't get through three innings.

Simply take a career starter and convert him to a closer on the spot?
A four man rotation that includes two guys mid-thirties? (One of whom is currently on the IL)

Yikes.

(BTW....Status Quo)

How do you figure it was entirely due to the starter.....sure, Darvish was not very good but Sandy Koufax won't win for you if you don't score.

 

[TL1961]

How do you figure it was entirely due to the starter.....sure, Darvish was not very good but Sandy Koufax won't win for you if you don't score.

Well...he gave up two in the first, and we scored zero, so it was lost before we even batted.

 

[Mr. Cub]

Man, I hope Darvish figures it out soon. Gonna suck if we have to deal with this shit for the next 15 years or whatever absurd amount we signed him for. **** pitchers.

 

[Diehardfan]

Well...he gave up two in the first, and we scored zero, so it was lost before we even batted.

Sweet. One inning games.....one n done, that should make Manfred happy. LOL

 

[CSF77]

Interesting timing. We lost a game due entirely to the starter, and you discuss how closer is more vital. Then you suggest the very guy who was scored on in his first inning of work.

To top it off, you suggest the starter we yank get replaced by a guy who couldn't win a start all of last year - a guy who can't get through three innings.

Simply take a career starter and convert him to a closer on the spot?
A four man rotation that includes two guys mid-thirties? (One of whom is currently on the IL)

Yikes.

(BTW....Status Quo)

Not at all. I posted this in the off-season. I posted it again after Morrow was shut down. Has little to do with Darvish today.

And I quote:. Out of the 5 Yu has the best closer stuff:. True. Out of the 5 Yu has been the loose chain. Again true.

 

[anotheridiot]

Cant win them all guys, at least they did not win the first two and take tomorrow off. Gotta focus to win the series.

 

[CSF77]

Stop it...
Their not gonna put Darvish in the pen and turn to Chatwood and Montgomery as starters...

Just accept the season as it is, it's a transition year

Their gonna ride it out, let the chips fall as they may and make necessary changes at the end of the year

My guess
Maddon Russell Schwarber Almora Happ Morrow Edwards, among others from the bullpen wont be around in 2020

Were gonna see a different team next year

I agree that ownership will not spend.

I agree that this will be fully addressed in the off season.

I don't agree that they are taking a Mulligan.

I see it as the only guy that they have in the system with closer stuff is Maples. And we have seen that scenerio right?

What they have is 7 guys that have starting exposure. Out of those 7, basically 2 of them could strike out the side

Yu and Hamels.

Out of those 2 Hamels is more stable as a starter.

It is really common sense.

Will they do it is another story but I wouldn't discount it. Sure they would love Chatwood just making this decision easy. He pounds 7 clean and the talk starts. Doubtful it would happen.

But like you said. I wouldn't count on Morrow anymore and with a unstable 9th thus season is a Mulligan.

I just don't see them having that loser mentality

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Cant win them all guys, at least they did not win the first two and take tomorrow off. Gotta focus to win the series.

It's Chatwood though, how crazy if he actually pitches the team to a win.

 

[CSF77]

It's Chatwood though, how crazy if he actually pitches the team to a win.

It wouldn't be crazy. He has been a successful starter before. We have see this ugly Trainwreck of a signing. But it is not crazy to think that. Crazy is thinking a 5 YO could strike out a major league player.

Expected is career norm. 4.50 ERA. basically a #5 quality starter. That is 3 ER in 6 IP. 4.50 ERA on avg. Not a quality start but good enough with this O.

Well except vs Grenke. They can't figure him out still.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

It wouldn't be crazy. He has been a successful starter before. We have see this ugly Trainwreck of a signing. But it is not crazy to think that. Crazy is thinking a 5 YO could strike out a major league player.

Expected is career norm. 4.50 ERA. basically a #5 quality starter. That is 3 ER in 6 IP. 4.50 ERA on avg. Not a quality start but good enough with this O.

Well except vs Grenke. They can't figure him out still.

So I'll backtrack and delete my use of the word crazy. After his various failures last season it would be somewhat (fill in the blank) _____ if he actually started earning his paycheck when so many have little to no expectations for him having success

 

[CSF77]

So I'll backtrack and delete my use of the word crazy. After his various failures last season it would be somewhat (fill in the blank) _____ if he actually started earning his paycheck when so many have little to no expectations for him having success

I would be happy if he pitched 6 innings and kept the lead. I don't even care if he walks 6 guys to do it.

But if he figures out that box that the ball is supposed to go into it becomes a starting point with him

I wouldnt expect anything honestly. He most likely gets his ass handed to him. But ya he has put together quality in the past.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

I would be happy if he pitched 6 innings and kept the lead. I don't even care if he walks 6 guys to do it.

But if he figures out that box that the ball is supposed to go into it becomes a starting point with him

I wouldnt expect anything honestly. He most likely gets his ass handed to him. But ya he has put together quality in the past.

Wasn't there some talk when Theo signed him how he could be so much better not having to pitch in the altitude.

 

[CSF77]

Wasn't there some talk when Theo signed him how he could be so much better not having to pitch in the altitude.

He had to make an adjustment last off season. With pitching if you start wrong it throws everything off. They had to rebuild his delivery.

As far as it working it is hard to tell. He has had mixed results.

 

[SilenceS]

You mean the usual ones stay away when they lose..

If you think sweeping the Marlins washed away their problems you're fooling yourself..

They lost one game. You are so ridiculous.

 

[SilenceS]

This was his best start all year and he owned them..
Taking nothing away from Greinke but come on , they did nothing against him today but a couple wind blown hits..
I got nothing against the offense, this is going to happen throughout the year..
Just would of been nice to see a little production today

I'm just not convinced that the overall pitching is all great again just because they owned the Marlins ..

Bullpen has nothing to hang your hat on that you can trust all year..

Outside of Hamels, I'm not ready to say any of these starters are fully back til I see them individually having multiple good starts in a row..

We'll see, I said I wanted to see how they fare the next 2 weeks after the Marlins series facing good teams..
So far 1 and 1

Win 8 out of the last 12 but they only beat the Marlins? Do you hear yourself?

 

[TL1961]

Win 8 out of the last 12 but they only beat the Marlins? Do you hear yourself?

We lost a game started by one of the best pictures in baseball and the sky is falling.

 

[chibears55]

They lost one game. You are so ridiculous.

Nope, you and a couple others are the ones who come on here and starts shit up with sarcastic comments..

You're suppose to be a moderator not an instigator

 

[chibears55]

Win 8 out of the last 12 but they only beat the Marlins? Do you hear yourself?

8 wins..
3 vs Marlins
2 vs Pirates
1 vs Brewers
1 vs Angels
1 vs DBacks
They played in 5 teams in those 12 games and got almost half those 8 wins against the Marlins ...

So, as I've been saying
Let wait and see a couple more weeks before we start saying their all better, cause you just being stupid if you think this team has everything going for them now