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[Rustysurf83]

That goes to my question. .

Has he or does he ever just play catch..
That basically what your doing when you throw to a base

Not completely though. Think about a normal throwing motion vs. one that has both feet pointed towards the target. It's not the same as what a pitcher does 100+ times a day throwing to the plate, playing long toss, etc so it's uncomfortable.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Thank you Castro for that diving snag

The bullpen can hardly get a convincing out smh

Raise the W flag though!

 

[CRM 114]

Cubs win, Sox lose. Tonight is a good night. The natural order of the universe has been restored!

 

[SilenceS]

Not completely though. Think about a normal throwing motion vs. one that has both feet pointed towards the target. It's not the same as what a pitcher does 100+ times a day throwing to the plate, playing long toss, etc so it's uncomfortable.

It is nothing physical. It is mental. He has thrown to first his whole career since little leagues. Somewhere along the lines he got a mental block. Same with chick knoblauch. Same with Matt garza that has to fire a 100 mph bullet to first or he throws it ten feet into the stands. It's the same when Rick ankiel couldn't throw to a catcher. Not that he couldn't throw a strike. He couldn't even hit the catcher but could throw a bullet from center.


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[SilenceS]

Oh and trade Castro. He went 0 for 4 and is down to .280. Noah syndegaard is going to throw a no no and the Cubs are going to trade after the game. Winning


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[chibears55]

Not completely though. Think about a normal throwing motion vs. one that has both feet pointed towards the target. It's not the same as what a pitcher does 100+ times a day throwing to the plate, playing long toss, etc so it's uncomfortable.

Im sure he and pretty much all pitchers grew up playing catch and just threw the ball around thousands of times over the years...

Its not foreign to them...


I get and understand what your saying, im just saying if you played ball your whole life it shouldn't be that big of a deal to make that throw to the point youd rather not field the ball..

 

[chibears55]

Good job by pen tonight.. Grimm, Rosscup, and Rondon
3 scoreless innings in a 1 run game. ..

 

[Rustysurf83]

I completely agree, it is completely mental at this point. That's why I'm surprised you don't perform repetition to establish "muscle memory" and try to take as much thinking as possible out of it.

 

[Rustysurf83]

You guys see that female fan wipe her ass with a Mets hat and throw it on the field?

So nice to have the bleachers back!

Deadspin is all over it :lol:

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/w...lready-delayed-by-asswi-1703795235/+bubbaprog

 

[beckdawg]

Think we just need to go an desensitize Lester to throwing to bases. We can start by having him throw there then petting a baby kitten. We then can have him throw to a scantily clad woman. So on and so forth until he has pleasurable memories of this activity.

 

[SilenceS]

Think we just need to go an desensitize Lester to throwing to bases. We can start by having him throw there then petting a baby kitten. We then can have him throw to a scantily clad woman. So on and so forth until he has pleasurable memories of this activity.

Garza use to get ripped by fans and he still has issues but he is fucking Maddox compared to Lester on the mound. It's insane but good lulz


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[brett05]

Crazy. . I just saw with Samardzija getting lit up that every sox starter has an ERA over 5 now ...

Their not sure if Rodon should start ahead of Noesi ? His ERA is over 6..

I really thought Shark turned into a #1 pitcher last season. He's back to a top 75 guy and costing himself plenty of bucks right now.

 

[beckdawg]

I really thought Shark turned into a #1 pitcher last season. He's back to a top 75 guy and costing himself plenty of bucks right now.

I feel like the term #1 pitcher gets thrown out too much because in theory every team has a #1 which means there's 30 of them. In reality I feel year to year there are only 15-20 pitchers on that top tier. It's kind of the beef I had with calling Garza a #1. I think Shark kind of falls into that too. I think both Garza and Shark are decent #2's which I would call basically some where around 20-50 give or take year to year. I haven't really looked at Shark's numbers this season as it really isn't relevant to my present interests but if I had to throw a statistically wild ass guess I'd say he probably would fall in the 30-50 range. That statement made me curious so I took a look and fangraphs has him at 0.6 fWAR tied with a bunch of dudes at 38th.

Without doing a deep dig into his numbers I'm guessing playing at the cell isn't doing him many favors. He's always been a HR friendly pitcher and this year they look up. His K/9 is down a bit from where I would expect but his bb/9 is solid. Then again this is kind of always what I thought he was using my tiered rankings.

 

[chibears55]

I really thought Shark turned into a #1 pitcher last season. He's back to a top 75 guy and costing himself plenty of bucks right now.

To me shark one of those pitchers where, you like his attitude /mentality, you like his stuff, he will pitch you a gem here n there, but year after year he going to end up with maybe 10 wins because he consistently inconsistent. .

He his matt garza.. hype with no results

 

[TC in Mississippi]

To me shark one of those pitchers where, you like his attitude /mentality, you like his stuff, he will pitch you a gem here n there, but year after year he going to end up with maybe 10 wins because he consistently inconsistent. .

He his matt garza.. hype with no results

Wins are not a good indicator of a pitcher, the best pitcher of the past decade has only exceeded 14 wins twice and had his best year with 13 wins. Wins are a team stat not an individual one, but I digress. Samardzija is a better pitcher than Garza when you compare by age. Shark will give you 200 + innings a year and will continue to do that, he's done it 3 years straight where Garza only did it twice. Also Samardzija's FIP has been better than Garza at the same age. Here's the thing though, on good teams in their prime they are both textbook MOR pitchers ideally suited to be your #3. The White Sox traded for him to be a #2 and he wanted to get paid like a 1. The Cubs rightly didn't believe he was that guy and now they have Addison Russell and the White Sox traded their top prospect. Kind of too bad, he's a good player just not what some thought he was or would become. Thankfully this FO didn't buy into that.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I feel like the term #1 pitcher gets thrown out too much because in theory every team has a #1 which means there's 30 of them. In reality I feel year to year there are only 15-20 pitchers on that top tier. It's kind of the beef I had with calling Garza a #1. I think Shark kind of falls into that too. I think both Garza and Shark are decent #2's which I would call basically some where around 20-50 give or take year to year. I haven't really looked at Shark's numbers this season as it really isn't relevant to my present interests but if I had to throw a statistically wild ass guess I'd say he probably would fall in the 30-50 range. That statement made me curious so I took a look and fangraphs has him at 0.6 fWAR tied with a bunch of dudes at 38th.

Without doing a deep dig into his numbers I'm guessing playing at the cell isn't doing him many favors. He's always been a HR friendly pitcher and this year they look up. His K/9 is down a bit from where I would expect but his bb/9 is solid. Then again this is kind of always what I thought he was using my tiered rankings.

See and I think Garza in his prime and Shark are #3 starter types. I think there are only about 7 or 8 true aces or true #1 if you prefer in all of baseball. For instance I think both Arrietta and Lester are #2 pitchers, as is James Shields who has been a team ace for two teams but is struggling a bit this year with a 4.99 FIP despite a 4-0 record. Some of the best teams in baseball don't have the luxury of a true ace, it's not a requirement, but it's damn nice. There are guys that achieve that status for a season or two, but ones that are great for 5 years plus don't come around often. Most contending teams's #1 are #2's.

 

[chibears55]

I can see Baez being traded to mets at some point this year for one of their young starters..

 

[brett05]

To me shark one of those pitchers where, you like his attitude /mentality, you like his stuff, he will pitch you a gem here n there, but year after year he going to end up with maybe 10 wins because he consistently inconsistent. .

He his matt garza.. hype with no results

Not really. He was stellar last year but the Cubs offense blew chunks for him.

 

[brett05]

Wins are not a good indicator of a pitcher, the best pitcher of the past decade has only exceeded 14 wins twice and had his best year with 13 wins. Wins are a team stat not an individual one, but I digress. Samardzija is a better pitcher than Garza when you compare by age. Shark will give you 200 + innings a year and will continue to do that, he's done it 3 years straight where Garza only did it twice. Also Samardzija's FIP has been better than Garza at the same age. Here's the thing though, on good teams in their prime they are both textbook MOR pitchers ideally suited to be your #3. The White Sox traded for him to be a #2 and he wanted to get paid like a 1. The Cubs rightly didn't believe he was that guy and now they have Addison Russell and the White Sox traded their top prospect. Kind of too bad, he's a good player just not what some thought he was or would become. Thankfully this FO didn't buy into that.

No they didn't

 

[brett05]

See and I think Garza in his prime and Shark are #3 starter types. I think there are only about 7 or 8 true aces or true #1 if you prefer in all of baseball. For instance I think both Arrietta and Lester are #2 pitchers, as is James Shields who has been a team ace for two teams but is struggling a bit this year with a 4.99 FIP despite a 4-0 record. Some of the best teams in baseball don't have the luxury of a true ace, it's not a requirement, but it's damn nice. There are guys that achieve that status for a season or two, but ones that are great for 5 years plus don't come around often. Most contending teams's #1 are #2's.

Every single SP Cy Young is an ace. Your definition needs work I believe.