(IST) WCF: (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

[DMelt36]

Avery was your typical agitator. He knew his job and did it to a fucking tee.

I liked him just like I like Carcillo or Burish. Difference was Avery did have some skill. I mean, his stats over the course of a 1000 game career equate to just under 500 points which isn't an easy feat for someone with "no skill".




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Never said Avery had "no skill." Just laughed at the notion that he had "great hockey skill."

His career point pace averages out to about 0.4 per game. Andrew Shaw is on the same pace in roughly 250 regular season games. Anybody touting Shaw's great hockey skill?

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Never said Avery had "no skill." Just laughed at the notion that he had "great hockey skill."

His career point pace averages out to about 0.4 per game. Andrew Shaw is on the same pace in roughly 250 regular season games. Anybody touting Shaw's great hockey skill?

I think Shaw actually has better skill then some people believe. His hands are actually pretty good as I've seen him make some dangles that I wouldn't expect from a player of his style.

But no, I would say he's a highly skilled player like a Kane or TT.


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[HeHateMe]

I think Shaw actually has better skill then some people believe. His hands are actually pretty good as I've seen him make some dangles that I wouldn't expect from a player of his style.

But no, I would say he's a highly skilled player like a Kane or TT.


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You and Dmelt both make good points. I think the gamechanger is how much of a relentless agitator Avery really was. And innovative.

 

[DMelt36]

I think Shaw actually has better skill then some people believe. His hands are actually pretty good as I've seen him make some dangles that I wouldn't expect from a player of his style.

But no, I would say he's a highly skilled player like a Kane or TT.


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Agreed on Shaw.

Earlier in his career, he was in love with this toe drag, but he often got himself in trouble by attempting to toe drag around guys in the neutral zone, leading to turnovers and odd-man rushes in the opposite direction. Gotten much better at that recently.

 

[DMelt36]

You and Dmelt both make good points. I think the gamechanger is how much of a relentless agitator Avery really was. And innovative.

You didn't even know who the fuck Sean Avery was until Grimson said his name this morning. Stop yourself.

 

[HeHateMe]

You didn't even know who the fuck Sean Avery was until Grimson said his name this morning. Stop yourself.

not true at all. look at the introduction thread.

 

[CRM 114]

You didn't even know who the fuck Sean Avery was until Grimson said his name this morning. Stop yourself.

Wrong. I've seen him mention Avery before,

 

[HeHateMe]

Your name: Clarence
Your location: Southside Chicago
Your age: 37
Your favorite current Hawks player: Kaner
Your favorite NHL playe ever: Sean Avery



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[ClydeLee]

No respect for the classics like Probert or Dave Schultz

 

[clonetrooper264]

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/48462-Blackhawks-Forum-Introduction-Thread/page5


posted may 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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LAST FRIDAY!!!!!

 

[DMelt36]

/wanking motion

 

[DMelt36]

No respect for the classics like Probert or Dave Schultz

Those two were wildly different from Avery.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

No respect for the classics like Probert or Dave Schultz

Different era.
Plus Probert and Schultz would massacre any tough guy in today's NHL. Avery wouldn't consider dropping the gloves with either of those two.

 

[HeHateMe]

No respect for the classics like Probert or Dave Schultz

I'll youtube some of that when my battery is charged. Thanks for the protip- didn't mean any disrespect.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

No respect for the classics like Probert or Dave Schultz

Not true as they were enforcers who on their own were a different bread of violence in hockey. Probert was a gem, probably the ultimate enforcer as he could play a regular shift, score points and beat the piss out of you (he made the all star team one year). But his and guys like McSorely, Kocur, Schultz, Hunter, Chase, Twist game wasn't about agitating the other team, but trying to physically intimidate the piss out of them. Those guys were the gladiators and I have the upmost respect for them having to duke it out infront of 15,000+ fans every night. That takes balls and courage.

There have always been agitators/pests, but IMO the mid to late 90s and the instigator rule saw the rise of the agitators as those type of players didn't need to worry about getting their asses kicked anymore and could benefit their team by goading someone to take an extra 2 minute penalty. Some of them even had skill such as Esa Tikkanen, Brad May, Matt Barnaby. Others just were 4th line guys who fore checked hard and played a chippy game such as Tony Granato, Ian Laperriere, Darius Kasparaitis, Tyson Nash, Kaleta, Ott, Avery, Carcillo, Darcy Tucker.


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[DMelt36]

Bob Probert was a goddam monster. I don't know how anyone ever thought fighting him was a good idea.

 

[ClydeLee]

Apparently Jamie Benn is the player NHL players consider the guy they least want to engage in a fight currently.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

I loved Al Secord, skated with Savard but not only could he score 50 goals in a season the guy was tough to drop the gloves against.

 

[Tater]

Bob Probert was a goddam monster. I don't know how anyone ever thought fighting him was a good idea.

I heard an interview with Probie once and they asked him how many times he fought Tie Domi. His reply - "No enough"

 

[LordKOTL]

You and Dmelt both make good points. I think the gamechanger is how much of a relentless agitator Avery really was. And innovative.

Not disagreeing with you, but Averey would have been killed in the Pre-instgator era.

Different era.
Plus Probert and Schultz would massacre any tough guy in today's NHL. Avery wouldn't consider dropping the gloves with either of those two.

I don't think it would have mattered--this is Probert your taling about. Guys like him and Hextall don't let minor things like a linesman holding them back get in the way of a beatdown.

Hell, look at the fight Bollig had with Torres after Torres cheapshotted Hossa. Torres felt his menses run down his leg and turtled. Bollig just went to serve his 17 minutes of penalties.

Now ask yourself: Had the 'hawks been icing Probert, would it have even mattered if Torres turtled? Probably not form a penalty point of view, but you know Torres would have been off the ice nursing blunt force traula wounds.

Further...imagine if Avery got all up in Hextall's grill instead of Fatso's. Or what about Belfour's, or Cloutier's. He would have eneded up like Reginald Denny.

Bob Probert was a goddam monster. I don't know how anyone ever thought fighting him was a good idea.

Neither do I...As far as I'm concerned he was the last true enforcer. Not a goon--he could actually play and beat the snot out of you.