IST: White Sox v Cubs

[FrankieLyrical]

Wheres this power Soler is suppose to have? He hasnt shown much of it this year.

In terms of home runs? Because everything he hits is hard

 

[FrankieLyrical]

This team is a joke.

The inconsistencies of young players is frustrating

 

[CSF77]

So Montero jambs his thumb... So do they pull the trigger with Schwarber now?

 

[Ari Bear]

In terms of home runs? Because everything he hits is hard

Well to me he looks like that he's swinging to make contact. His first couple weeks into the league he had which looked like a much more aggressive swing. And yeah he was hitting homers.

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[Doubledown]

 

[chibears55]

So Montero jambs his thumb... So do they pull the trigger with Schwarber now?

Doubt it.. how much longer pass next weekend will he be out..
they Probably Just go with ross n Teagarden

 

[CSF77]

Doubt it.. how much longer pass next weekend will he be out..
they Probably Just go with ross n Teagarden

Failed opportunity. I would DL Montero for 15. That includes the break. That way you limit Schwarber's clock advance. So DL Montero, Activate Ross. Demote Teagarden promote Schwarber. Give him some time to work with major league pitchers. When Montero gets back then push Schwarber back to AAA.

It would be good exposure for him and maybe a bump to a stalling O.

 

[TL1961]

Failed opportunity. I would DL Montero for 15. That includes the break. That way you limit Schwarber's clock advance. So DL Montero, Activate Ross. Demote Teagarden promote Schwarber. Give him some time to work with major league pitchers. When Montero gets back then push Schwarber back to AAA.

It would be good exposure for him and maybe a bump to a stalling O.

Maybe we could have Schwarber only catch when Lester pitches, since every stolen base attempt will be successful anyway.

 

[CRM 114]

Did you really need to post this in the crosstown thread AND the Cubs Forum?

 

[CSF77]

Maybe we could have Schwarber only catch when Lester pitches, since every stolen base attempt will be successful anyway.

I honestly want to see how good/bad he is back there. Word is he is a good pitch framer and he is 100% involved with communicating with his pitcher.

Arm: don't know but I think that part of catching is over rated. The game doesn't play up to speed as is did when most parks used AstroTurf.

 

[SilenceS]

I honestly want to see how good/bad he is back there. Word is he is a good pitch framer and he is 100% involved with communicating with his pitcher.

Arm: don't know but I think that part of catching is over rated. The game doesn't play up to speed as is did when most parks used AstroTurf.

His arm isn't bad. He just has no movement back there. He looks extremely awkward with ball in the dirt. He doesn't slide side to side with ease. He looks like a bulldozer behind the plate. I would totally would not trust him to block any kind of nasty slide or split in the dirt.

Speaking of catchers, this is why Welli should have never been tossed aside. Since he got traded to the Dbacks..

.284 AVG, ..363 OBP, .543 SLG, .903 OPS, 143 OPS+ in 91PA. Also, has 5 homers and 15 RBI's in that span. We traded him for pennies because Lester wanted Ross. Now, we have no catcher and a offense desperate for offense. We all know Castillo is a great defender behind the plate. His down fall is pitch framing which I am still not sure how much you can validate that stat considering the umps have a lot to do with the zone that is being called.

Sometimes I think Theo and them value there old players way to much and like to cast aside other players. Dbacks essentially got two prospects, salary dump, and a starting catcher for Montero. They made out pretty good.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I honestly want to see how good/bad he is back there. Word is he is a good pitch framer and he is 100% involved with communicating with his pitcher.

Arm: don't know but I think that part of catching is over rated. The game doesn't play up to speed as is did when most parks used AstroTurf.

The most important aspects of catching are pitch presentation (framing), blocking and game calling/working with pitching staff. Arm? Bases are usually stolen on the pitcher, so it's secondary. Don't get me wrong. A strong arm is obviously desired, but that isn't #1 or #2 on the list.

 

[CSF77]

His arm isn't bad. He just has no movement back there. He looks extremely awkward with ball in the dirt. He doesn't slide side to side with ease. He looks like a bulldozer behind the plate. I would totally would not trust him to block any kind of nasty slide or split in the dirt.

Speaking of catchers, this is why Welli should have never been tossed aside. Since he got traded to the Dbacks..

.284 AVG, ..363 OBP, .543 SLG, .903 OPS, 143 OPS+ in 91PA. Also, has 5 homers and 15 RBI's in that span. We traded him for pennies because Lester wanted Ross. Now, we have no catcher and a offense desperate for offense. We all know Castillo is a great defender behind the plate. His down fall is pitch framing which I am still not sure how much you can validate that stat considering the umps have a lot to do with the zone that is being called.

Sometimes I think Theo and them value there old players way to much and like to cast aside other players. Dbacks essentially got two prospects, salary dump, and a starting catcher for Montero. They made out pretty good.

I'm not mad about Montero. .230/.337/.392. The problem is they are depending too much on his O. That is the real problem.

After Rizzo and Bryant it has been Soler .260, Montero .230, Castro .249, Coghlan .245. Collectively they have been bad. To be honest outside of Bryant and Rizzo the line up as a whole has sucked.

I think they are being stupid about Schwarber. That much I do know. If it is me I'm promoting him and platooning Cogs and Fowler in CF. Line up becomes:

Cogs/Fowler CF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber LF
Soler RF
Montero C
Castro SS

The main point is if the line up was stronger then they would not have to depend on the catcher to produce. If we are worrying about losing Castillo's O then the line up is broken to begin with.

 

[Parade_Rain]

So Joe brought the infield in during the first inning? :smh:

More teams are doing that now. It isn't a Maddon thing. Keep up with the game, Sport.

 

[SilenceS]

I'm not mad about Montero. .230/.337/.392. The problem is they are depending too much on his O. That is the real problem.

After Rizzo and Bryant it has been Soler .260, Montero .230, Castro .249, Coghlan .245. Collectively they have been bad. To be honest outside of Bryant and Rizzo the line up as a whole has sucked.

I think they are being stupid about Schwarber. That much I do know. If it is me I'm promoting him and platooning Cogs and Fowler in CF. Line up becomes:

Cogs/Fowler CF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber LF
Soler RF
Montero C
Castro SS

The main point is if the line up was stronger then they would not have to depend on the catcher to produce. If we are worrying about losing Castillo's O then the line up is broken to begin with.

I don't think his bat is completely ready. He got exposed pretty quickly when he came up. I know small sample but that Twins series they completely worked him. Now, in AAA his K rate has shot up. Yet again, small sample size but this correlated with what the Twins did to him. He is an XBH machine but he needs more development there.

Look at Bryant, I consider Bryant the superior hitter to Schwarber. Not a knock. I just think Bryant is once in a generation bat. The major leagues are starting to work him. He hasn't batted over .267 since the first month. He had one power stretch and then his power has become kind of non existent. They are adjusting to him and he is trying to adjust back. I don't believe Schwarber is further along then Bryant and would have some similar struggles while trying to play different positions. I think that would be a disaster. September call up, maybe but not right now.

Baez is swinging the bat again. He comes back and hits. The Cubs are going have to promote him or trade him and that will shake itself out. I know we are searching for offense but I don't see the Cubs hurting their development because we have a shot at the 2nd wildcard.

 

[SilenceS]

Oh, and Castillos O since the Backs has been elite not good. Elite. lol I don't expect to stay there but he has crushed for them.

 

[CSF77]

Lite air.

 

[CSF77]

Baez is interesting. I still think he holds more trade weight over Castro. I for one want Norris from the Jays.

Another rumor is the Pads. They could use a MI and could give up a pitcher in the deal. I like Will Venerable over there but unless it is James Shields, I really am not excited by their staff.

 

[CSF77]

The most important aspects of catching are pitch presentation (framing), blocking and game calling/working with pitching staff. Arm? Bases are usually stolen on the pitcher, so it's secondary. Don't get me wrong. A strong arm is obviously desired, but that isn't #1 or #2 on the list.

Game calling is 1. Framing is 2. Blocking is 3.

A catcher is there for the pitchers. I think there is a article out there on that roid using catcher from the Pads that got traded for Kemp. He has strong framing skills and power but he was not on the same page as the staff. The pitchers did not agree with his calls and wanted the other catcher. Something to do with pitching inside early in counts. He wanted to and the pitchers did not.

So if there is no communication then this is what happens. Break down. Sure his roid use added to it but it came down to catering to the staff thus Norris brought in

We can say the same about Montero vs Castillo. Catering to the staff. Ross catering to Lester.

That is the reality. Catchers are there to cater to their staffs

 

[Parade_Rain]

Game calling is 1. Framing is 2. Blocking is 3.

A catcher is there for the pitchers. I think there is a article out there on that roid using catcher from the Pads that got traded for Kemp. He has strong framing skills and power but he was not on the same page as the staff. The pitchers did not agree with his calls and wanted the other catcher. Something to do with pitching inside early in counts. He wanted to and the pitchers did not.

So if there is no communication then this is what happens. Break down. Sure his roid use added to it but it came down to catering to the staff thus Norris brought in

We can say the same about Montero vs Castillo. Catering to the staff. Ross catering to Lester.

That is the reality. Catchers are there to cater to their staffs

If he can't block a pitch, he isn't going to be given time to communicate with pitchers. The skills come first. The game calling/working with staff is part of the process of going through MiLB system.