IST: White Sox v Cubs

How many games will the Cubs Win?


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If he can't block a pitch, he isn't going to be given time to communicate with pitchers. The skills come first. The game calling/working with staff is part of the process of going through MiLB system.

I never said it is not important. But a catcher needs to be apt in all. It is just a priority list.

If you have 4 catchers. All apt.

1 excells at game calling. All pitchers want that.

1 excells at framing. Guys that live on the corners want that,

1 excells at blocking. Pitchers that have shakey control or bury pitches in the dirt want that.

1 excells at hitting. Fans want that
 

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I never said it is not important. But a catcher needs to be apt in all. It is just a priority list.

If you have 4 catchers. All apt.

1 excells at game calling. All pitchers want that.

1 excells at framing. Guys that live on the corners want that,

1 excells at blocking. Pitchers that have shakey control or bury pitches in the dirt want that.

1 excells at hitting. Fans want that
The way the process works is exactly as I said. At the HS and college level most coaches call the pitches. Working with staff and calling games is a learned behavior.
 

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The way the process works is exactly as I said. At the HS and college level most coaches call the pitches. Working with staff and calling games is a learned behavior.

Yes and no. Some just get it. Or are a natural. I believe it ties to communication. If the catcher is a good communicator then he will get on the same page faster.

There are other factors like watching video on hitters and scouting reports.

But it goes beyond just basic talent

A catcher is more like a quarterback where it takes time do develop. It is not a position where a player can just get by on talent alone.

So I think Schwarber has the mentality for the job. I believe he will be the type to dive into the video and scouting parts of the game. He seems the 100% effort type.

The blocking ability. Don't know to be honest. That most likely will be a weighing factor.

It comes down to the staff then. Are they around the plate where framing plays more. Or do they depend trick pitches more?

Areieta and Lester are around the plate. Hammel has a good slider but he is around the plate also. Hendricks has a change that drops. But is around the plate.

Over all all 4 benefit more from framing more than blocking. Just the way it is.

That said: Cubs have Montero under control for a few years. There is no 'need' to find his heir. It would make more sense to push Schwarber to LF and keep status que. let Schwarber take notes for a few years then make that decision later.

The way I feel about it is I want his bat in the line up. It is not about him being a catcher or not. That is based off the team sucking at generating runs.

Now if Baez gets healthy and the fit him in and it impacts run generation instead then I'm fine with Schwarber maturing.
 

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What the roster looks like on August 1 will tell me if their going for a playoff run or developing players...

I still believe their staying with the development plan for this year and their not going to add anyone to push their playoff chances any further then it stands now. ..


Seeing Fowler and especially Russell struggling the way they have and still be in lineup every day tells me their just staying with what they have and let the chips fall where they may...
Pitching now keeping them afloat, not sure how much longer that will hold up...

I still feel Schwarber will be traded at some point for that pitcher they want
 

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I still feel Schwarber will be traded at some point for that pitcher they want
No way unless he starts to suck, no way do they traded hitting talent for pitching which they already have. Especially since the teams ability to produce on offense has falling.
 

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I don't think they'll make any move this year that breaks the bank. They are on the come...no question, but to go all in this year would be stupid. Theo didn't get to be where he's at by being stupid. They might make an insignificant move or two...but won't be hanging out their young talent to see what they'll draw. That day is coming but it won't be here this season. Be happy they're contending....I know I am....IMOP they are ahead of schedule. We just gotta live with their youthful inconsistancies.
 

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No way unless he starts to suck, no way do they traded hitting talent for pitching which they already have. Especially since the teams ability to produce on offense has falling.
Where they playing him ? I actually think the cubs dont know where to play him now on the major league roster . ..

LF ? He hasn't played there in over a year and has spent most to all his college and pro career behind the dish..
I could be wrong but i think it gonna be a tough challenge for a guy built like him to just to just trot out to LF in WF and easily adjust and play that position on the fly...

Until i see him playing LF in Iowa, i don't think that their plan for him...


Catcher? They have Montero for 2 more years and Ross next year... doubt they bring him up to be a 2nd or 3rd string catcher plus with Montero to be a 2nd LHer splitting time with him...

They could trade Montero but why give up an experienced good catcher who can hit a bit for one who really raw and inexperience...


Im not saying it a definite, just wouldn't surprise me if they do use him in a trade for a starter..
especially if they dont get the FA they want


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They just may leave him down in Iowa next year also, to develop and learn more as a catcher to be ready for 2017...
 

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Where they playing him ? I actually think the cubs dont know where to play him now on the major league roster . ..

LF ? He hasn't played there in over a year and has spent most to all his college and pro career behind the dish..
I could be wrong but i think it gonna be a tough challenge for a guy built like him to just to just trot out to LF in WF and easily adjust and play that position on the fly...

Until i see him playing LF in Iowa, i don't think that their plan for him...


Catcher? They have Montero for 2 more years and Ross next year... doubt they bring him up to be a 2nd or 3rd string catcher plus with Montero to be a 2nd LHer splitting time with him...

They could trade Montero but why give up an experienced good catcher who can hit a bit for one who really raw and inexperience...


Im not saying it a definite, just wouldn't surprise me if they do use him in a trade for a starter..
especially if they dont get the FA they want


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They just may leave him down in Iowa next year also, to develop and learn more as a catcher to be ready for 2017...
If you can hit the ball all over the field as good as he does, they will find a place to put him on defense. A team that's rebuilding and on the way up but still struggles on offense does not trade away hitting talent that. Won't happen! In fact I would bet $ on it.

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If you can hit the ball all over the field as good as he does, they will find a place to put him on defense. A team that's rebuilding and on the way up but still struggles on offense does not trade away hitting talent that. Won't happen! In fact I would bet $ on it.

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Going by contracts and who playing at each positions, barring any surprise trades...
All that open for next year is LF and CF

Like i said, until i see him getting games in at Iowa in LF..
i dont think they plan on playing him there. .
 

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Whats this? Fowler with 2 hits?!?!?
 

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They should probably consider getting a lefty bat for CF to platoon with Fowler. .. he just so much better from right side and all but sucks frim left side..

Not sure if cogs is comfortable playing CF, maybe they could consider that move too
 

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Two runs gonna be enough to win the game today?
 

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Another wrong call by the replay people. ..

What point if replay if they cant get the call right
 

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Whoever the hitting coach is on this team, he should be launched tomorrow. Someone needs to work with these young hitters on strike zone recognition. I'm so damn sick and tired of hitters looking at pitches right down main street and flailing widely at pitches way out of the zone. Sometimes it looks like they're just gonna swing no matter where the pitch is. Someone who can hit needs to work with them...maybe someone named Manny?
 

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Yessss Cubs win! :cubs::woot:
 

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They should probably consider getting a lefty bat for CF to platoon with Fowler. .. he just so much better from right side and all but sucks frim left side..

Not sure if cogs is comfortable playing CF, maybe they could consider that move too

Will Venable is the most likely player. You lose nothing on O or D with him out there vs Fowler. Fowler is a strong RH hitter but for 9 mil I would pass for re-upping.
 

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Will Venable is the most likely player. You lose nothing on O or D with him out there vs Fowler. Fowler is a strong RH hitter but for 9 mil I would pass for re-upping.
I think Fowler just about killed his chances of returning next year..

I was eyeballing Venable with Kazmir
 
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