Its time to put the Drake Maye talk to bed...... he finished 16 of 36 with 1TD and 1NT

[msadows]

At some point, he’s gotta show he’s the guy. He has to leave no doubt and elevate everyone around him. It’s not ALL on him, for sure, but he hasn’t shown that yet.

It’s about potential versus likelihood. Fields’ talent and potential have never been in question.

But seeing everything we’ve seen—Can one honestly say they believe the most likely outcome is that Fields flips a switch, elevates everyone around him, and leaves no doubt that he’s the guy?

Or is it more likely this is who he is—a supremely talented QB who can make the big plays but also can’t string together any semblance of consistency as a dangerous passer?

Fans have to honestly ask themselves which is more likely.

He's literally done that 3 out of the last 4 games....

 

[Anytime23]

Why don’t you see Fields getting a 3rd staff?

I think there’s obvious improvement and the coaching staff is ass…I could see the argument that if you give fields a real coaching staff and another weapon like MHJ, even more improvement and better results should be expected

He can’t stay healthy, he turns the ball over a lot and it’s a qb heavy draft and they’ll have their pick of the litter.

 

[Toast88]

He's literally done that 3 out of the last 4 games....

No, he hasn’t.

 

[Enasic]

He can’t stay healthy, he turns the ball over a lot and it’s a qb heavy draft and they’ll have their pick of the litter.

Health is a concern. He’s been doing better protecting the ball…he did get sacked by Hutchinson and fumbled on the last play of the game but was kinda whatever at that point.

I also don’t think it’s a QB heavy draft. I don’t feel great about any of them. Starting to lean towards Jayden Daniels as the guy who will be most successful but wouldn’t want to draft him in the top 5.

 

[Enasic]

At some point, he’s gotta show he’s the guy. He has to leave no doubt and elevate everyone around him. It’s not ALL on him, for sure, but he hasn’t shown that yet.

It’s about potential versus likelihood. Fields’ talent and potential have never been in question.

But seeing everything we’ve seen—Can one honestly say they believe the most likely outcome is that Fields flips a switch, elevates everyone around him, and leaves no doubt that he’s the guy?

Or is it more likely this is who he is—a supremely talented QB who can make the big plays but also can’t string together any semblance of consistency as a dangerous passer?

Fans have to honestly ask themselves which is more likely.

Fans don’t have to ask themselves anything because fields has to show it over these next 6 games. He had a good game against the Lions. Surely good enough to win and could have been better if the coaching staff went for the throat in the 4th quarter.

You’re right though…it’s all about consistency. He needs to be consistent over these next 6 games, protect the ball and limit sacks. I thibk all these QBs this class are flawed and the class is overrated as a whole. There’s no CJ Stroud this draft

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

I think I gave him too much credit by putting his numbers in context with the top draft eligible QB's.

His numbers are so bad, he needs to be compared to the rest of the entire NATION.

Among Division 1 quarterbacks -- all over the nation -- his 9 INTERCEPTIONS are likely right near the top.... or very close to it.

Among Division 1 quarterbacks -- all over the nation -- his 70 something Quarterback Rating is right there near the lowest... or very close to it.

For instance, to put it in perspective, going into yesterday's action, Bo Nix had a 91 RTG while playing in the ultra tough (this year) Pac 12, Jayden Daniels had a 95 RTG playing in the SEC.

Going into yesterday's action Drake Maye had a 79 RTG while playing in the weak (this year) ACC. And I am sure that number will only go lower after turning the ball over 3 times (2 picks) last night.

No, we give Drake Maye too much credit by comparing him to the top guys. He is doing so badly his numbers should be compared to the entire pack of QB's across the nation. Someone with more free time today should pull exact numbers on that.

Like I wrote earlier, in the QB needy NFL, someone will overdraft this guy and select in him in the first round. I am just glad it likely won't be the Bears.

He reminds me of more mobile Tim Couch.

Tim Couch was another guy overrated because he was tall and fit the prototype. If Drake Maye was 6'1" he would be projected as a 3rd round pick - or lower. But scouts and pundits salivate over height. But what good is height if you can't throw the ball accurately? What good is height if you consistently throw picks?

 

[baredown]

I watched his game last night and a few from the year. I don't know if he's a franchise QB or not but I know he and Caleb Williams offensive lines are trash. Seemed he was pressured most of the time. I go back to some Mahomes games. He was running around throwing crazy passes and didn't look that good either when he played good teams. College is a hard eval.

This! Put Williams or Maye on Oregon and how do you suppose they'd look? Put Nix behind USC's porous O-Line and abysmal rushing attack, and he'd look like he did back at Auburn. College play is particularly hard to evaluate because of the turnover every year. College football teams are turning over ~25% of their team every year, and the players leaving are the most experienced and/or talented guys. Unless you're talking Georgia, Alabama, or Ohio State, there ends up being a lot of variance in how college teams play year-to-year. And that translates into how their QBs look year-to-year. Williams would have gone #1 in last year's draft absolutely no question, and Maye might well have gone #2. So did those two get worse? Or did their teams get worse, making them look worse? Smart money says it's the latter. Vegas says Williams will go #1 and Maye #2 in April, and there's a huge drop-off after those two...

 

[msadows]

No, he hasn’t.

Well then you clearly will never be impressed by fields and have unrealistic expectations if you don't think 3/4 of those games were impressive.

 

[Toast88]

Well then you clearly will never be impressed by fields and have unrealistic expectations if you don't think 3/4 of those games were impressive.

Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m talking about leaving no doubt that he’s the guy, that he can consistently be a dangerous passer. He has not shown that.

To be clear: Are you saying he’s left no doubt in your mind that he’s the guy, that he has shown he’s a consistently dangerous passer?

 

[Enasic]

This! Put Williams or Maye on Oregon and how do you suppose they'd look? Put Nix behind USC's porous O-Line and abysmal rushing attack, and he'd look like he did back at Auburn. College play is particularly hard to evaluate because of the turnover every year. College football teams are turning over ~25% of their team every year, and the players leaving are the most experienced and/or talented guys. Unless you're talking Georgia, Alabama, or Ohio State, there ends up being a lot of variance in how college teams play year-to-year. And that translates into how their QBs look year-to-year. Williams would have gone #1 in last year's draft absolutely no question, and Maye might well have gone #2. So did those two get worse? Or did their teams get worse, making them look worse? Smart money says it's the latter. Vegas says Williams will go #1 and Maye #2 in April, and there's a huge drop-off after those two...

For his career, Williams leads the nation in fumbles. That’s on him brah…and it’s a huge problem. Wont get any easier in the NFL

 

[pdxbearsfan]

In his first competition against a fairly decent team - UNranked Clemson - he laid another egg.

He has a QBR of 79 and that will only go lower after this game.

Meanwhile guys like Bo Nix, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Caleb Williams, Mike Penix --- all have QBR's around 90 or more..... all have more touchdown passes (except McCarthy) and have less PICKS than Maye -- only Penix has 1 more pick but Penix has a higher QBR and 7 more TD's.

So you want to get rid of Fields? At least pick the right guy then. Hitch your wagon to Bo Nix. Hitch it to Jayden Daniels. But stop it with the Drake Maye hype machine stuff. The guy is simply not top shelf and falls short when measured against other potential other 1st rounders.

I am not saying he should not be drafted in the first round.... but he has "project" written all over him because of how inaccurate he is. There is no way he should go before being the 3rd or 4th QB off the board.... at best.

He simply misses too many guys and he turns the ball over waaay too much..... meanwhile guys like Bo Nix are spinning it at record numbers -- close to 400 yards and 6 td's for Bo Nix today.

This guy has overdraft/bust potential (Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.), written all over him.

The bust rate is +40%, no thanks, I'll keep JF and the players and picks we get for trading the #1 pick. One rookie is not going to make
a difference i.e. Bryce. I think/hope Poles is smart enough to know this.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

It also buys Poles more time if he resets the clock with a rookie qb.

Not if Warren loves JF, which I think he does.

 

[Rise]

I never wanted this guy especially here, can’t do it with the Trubisky history. You can call me shallow or whatever but can you imagine if say the Bears passed on Williams for Maye and he busts? Ok second thought that is very much on brand, probably will happen.

 

[Rise]

Not if Warren loves JF, which I think he does.

I think he does too and this might be why Poles is going to be fired. Would be so awesome if this guy already had Harbaugh lined up. It would very much say “new Bears are here” to me.

 

[Lurk McGurk]

The bust rate is +40%, no thanks, I'll keep JF and the players and picks we get for trading the #1 pick. One rookie is not going to make
a difference i.e. Bryce. I think/hope Poles is smart enough to know this.

What's the bust rate of JF going forward? They can't make decisions based solely on the negative outcomes on one side of the equation, while ignoring the negatives on the other.

What happens if they land a rookie QB for the first time in franchise history that turns out to be elite? Could that lead to a decade of contention like other elite QB's turn their teams into?

The huge payoff that's possible on the 60% non-bust side is a pretty big factor in the decision.

 

[The Galloping Ghost]

I think I gave him too much credit by putting his numbers in context with the top draft eligible QB's.

His numbers are so bad, he needs to be compared to the rest of the entire NATION.

Among Division 1 quarterbacks -- all over the nation -- his 9 INTERCEPTIONS are likely right near the top.... or very close to it.

Among Division 1 quarterbacks -- all over the nation -- his 70 something Quarterback Rating is right there near the lowest... or very close to it.

For instance, to put it in perspective, going into yesterday's action, Bo Nix had a 91 RTG while playing in the ultra tough (this year) Pac 12, Jayden Daniels had a 95 RTG playing in the SEC.

Going into yesterday's action Drake Maye had a 79 RTG while playing in the weak (this year) ACC. And I am sure that number will only go lower after turning the ball over 3 times (2 picks) last night.

No, we give Drake Maye too much credit by comparing him to the top guys. He is doing so badly his numbers should be compared to the entire pack of QB's across the nation. Someone with more free time today should pull exact numbers on that.

Like I wrote earlier, in the QB needy NFL, someone will overdraft this guy and select in him in the first round. I am just glad it likely won't be the Bears.

He reminds me of more mobile Tim Couch.

Tim Couch was another guy overrated because he was tall and fit the prototype. If Drake Maye was 6'1" he would be projected as a 3rd round pick - or lower. But scouts and pundits salivate over height. But what good is height if you can't throw the ball accurately? What good is height if you consistently throw picks?

Have you actually watched him play or do you just look at the numbers?

 

[Bust]

BUST #CALLEDIT

"He has a lot to work on. A lot to work on," Mayo said Saturday, repeating himself. "But I have no doubt that he will put the time in. He was here all night trying to get on the same page as everyone else."

Pats QB Maye 'has a lot to work on,' says coach

First-year head coach Jerod Mayo says Patriots quarterback Drake Maye "has a lot to work on" following Saturday's practice at rookie minicamp.

www.espn.com

 

[DanielCCSBears]

BUST #CALLEDIT

"He has a lot to work on. A lot to work on," Mayo said Saturday, repeating himself. "But I have no doubt that he will put the time in. He was here all night trying to get on the same page as everyone else."

Pats QB Maye 'has a lot to work on,' says coach

First-year head coach Jerod Mayo says Patriots quarterback Drake Maye "has a lot to work on" following Saturday's practice at rookie minicamp.

www.espn.com

Yeah he has a lot to work on because they're coaching him up on how to operate from under center. That's a steep learning curve that most teams don't even attempt anymore with their QBs.

Nice troll attempt though.

 

[Bearly]

BUST #CALLEDIT

"He has a lot to work on. A lot to work on," Mayo said Saturday, repeating himself. "But I have no doubt that he will put the time in. He was here all night trying to get on the same page as everyone else."

Pats QB Maye 'has a lot to work on,' says coach

First-year head coach Jerod Mayo says Patriots quarterback Drake Maye "has a lot to work on" following Saturday's practice at rookie minicamp.

www.espn.com

He was told he would be eased in when drafted. Dude was drafted on potential but needs a lot of work on everything including cleaning up his delivery. Still deserved his draft slot. Was easy to see why any #1 talk left the room early but there's still great potential there. I thought he might be a better prospect than Lawrence before watching tape but realized quickly that he is not. He does have similar potential.

 

[Anytime23]

A reminder that OP doesn’t watch games, only box scores.