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On Happ: Joe has been reluctant to make his the starting lead off. I really believe that he is avoiding stepping on toes. Notably Zobrist's.

As always. Playing time is tied to Cash.

Heyward: $21.5M
Ben Zobrist $16M
Addison Russell $3.2M

The rest of the guys are interchangeable. They are there for the match ups but if productive and healthy they are going to play the contract first.
 

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On Happ: Joe has been reluctant to make his the starting lead off. I really believe that he is avoiding stepping on toes. Notably Zobrist's.

As always. Playing time is tied to Cash.

Heyward: $21.5M
Ben Zobrist $16M
Addison Russell $3.2M

The rest of the guys are interchangeable. They are there for the match ups but if productive and healthy they are going to play the contract first.
Zobrist??

If Zobrist plays regularly over anyone other then LaStella and backup catcher and Leadoff, Maddon should be fired ..

I really doubt Zobrist gets regular PT unless it in RF due to Heyward struggling ..

Also Happ been the only one that been leading off in every one of his starts this Spring, i would think he shown he capable of doing it and Maddon comfortable with him there

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Zobrist??

If Zobrist plays regularly over anyone other then LaStella and backup catcher and Leadoff, Maddon should be fired ..

I really doubt Zobrist gets regular PT unless it in RF due to Heyward struggling ..

Also Happ been the only one that been leading off in every one of his starts this Spring, i would think he shown he capable of doing it and Maddon comfortable with him there

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Trust me. All things being equal on health and production Heyward and Zo will be in the line up more than not.

Spring stats mean nothing. April matters. Happ’s 6 HR’s in March is fluff. In April he bangs out 6 then if nets playing time.

Honestly I see it as Vs lefties Baez and Almora are starting in general. Vs Righties Zobrist and Happ are starting in general. Now if they push Heyward and Schwarber to day offs vs lefties then it opens up more AB’s to Happ and Zobrist.

I get it. You feel 37 is time for the wheel chair. And that is fine to believe it. But I believe in pay day and it is easier to sit 600k vs 16 mil all thing being equal.


It is just reality. Now if Zobrist hits .205 vs righties and Javy is hitting .250 vs them then that is not equal. If Happ is batting .300 over all and Almora is hitting .250 then you really can’t justify it.

But we have to go into it as all are equal right now as S/T holds no weight to opening day. And it really doesn’t. I’ve seen players slump in Azl then hit .330 in colder weather. It holds no weight.
 

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Last year isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison. For one thing, Happ didn't come up til what June? And you also had Jay in play. It wasn't really until everyone got healthy in like late july that they were in a similar position to now and they also had Jay then. Regardless, I don't think theo would specifically tell him he's going to have a bigger role and then bury him on the bench.

They went into the season with a untested CF and back doored Jay as insurance. They were not going to long term Fowler.

Now as we saw a productive lead off matters. It holds more weight than a plus D CF. If a plus D did hold more weight then Fowler would not have been traded for. He was below avg going in and barley got league avg in his tour.

You could say Happ=Fowler. The only concern is proven vs potential. Talent wise they are cut from the same cloth and saying a Comp is fair to both.

That said if Happ produces it is hard to believe that they will not give him CF full time. It is really not about D. It is about starting the engine.


And yes I honestly think that both Cartiani and Almora May end up trade chips. Caritini more so as a hitting catcher holds more weight than a contact hitting D CF. But I could see both talked about this summer if the depth is there to justify a deal.
 

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You could say Happ=Fowler.

No you can't. A) Fowler has a career .366 OBP and 12.7%/22.1% bb/k rate. Ian Happ had a .328 OBP last year with 9.4%/31.2%. This spring despite crushing the ball he has a 29.4% k rate and a 11.7% walk rate. B) last year Happ's RZR was .902 in CF. In his 2 years with the cubs Fowler's RZR was .925 and .929. In other words, he's significantly better as a defender. League average was .913 last year for CF. Happ as a lead off is the best of an imperfect situation. He's as miscast there as Schwarber was last year if you go by typical metrics. And frankly, he's not going to lead off vs LHP. Almora is. Almora hit .342/.411/.486 with 10.4%/13.6% bb/k rates vs LHP. That's roughly 25% of the PAs players see in a given season.

People thinking that Maddon is going to run some monolith lineup every day are in for a rude awakening. You're going to see likely 10 players around 450-500 PAs. I imagine Rizzo and Bryant are 600-650. I also imagine La Stella gets 100-150 and Gimenez gets like 250-300 just as the back up C. But the rest of guys I imagine are going to see between 400-500 PAs and I doubt anyone gets over 550 unless Maddon falls in love with Russell at SS or if Schwarber destroys LHP more than he has previously. Last year was more of best ideal case for Baez and he got 508 PAs. Heyward had 481 and I don't recall him having even minor injuries. Zobrist had 496 which is potentially high but if you assume half of the PAs Jay had go to him and the other half to Almora that seems plausible. Contreras had 428 which is probably a bit low. He might go over 550 but I can't imagine they are going to press on him too much if they are winning. You want to keep him fresh for the playoffs so playing him 130+ games at C seems like a bad idea.
 

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People thinking that Maddon is going to run some monolith lineup every day are in for a rude awakening. You're going to see likely 10 players around 450-500 PAs. I imagine Rizzo and Bryant are 600-650. I also imagine La Stella gets 100-150 and Gimenez gets like 250-300 just as the back up C. But the rest of guys I imagine are going to see between 400-500 PAs and I doubt anyone gets over 550 unless Maddon falls in love with Russell at SS or if Schwarber destroys LHP more than he has previously. Last year was more of best ideal case for Baez and he got 508 PAs. Heyward had 481 and I don't recall him having even minor injuries. Zobrist had 496 which is potentially high but if you assume half of the PAs Jay had go to him and the other half to Almora that seems plausible. Contreras had 428 which is probably a bit low. He might go over 550 but I can't imagine they are going to press on him too much if they are winning. You want to keep him fresh for the playoffs so playing him 130+ games at C seems like a bad idea.

Maddon going with only 4 extra players on bench right now ..

Catcher
LaStella
Zobrist
Happ/Almora

So besides giving guys their normal rest here and there, i expect to see Maddon stay with a more stable lineup like he did in 2016, only difference is in 2016 he went with the 3 headed catchers and this year it will probably be CF between Almora and Happ..

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So besides giving guys their normal rest here and there, i expect to see Maddon stay with a more stable lineup like he did in 2016, only difference is in 2016 he went with the 3 headed catchers and this year it will probably be CF between Almora and Happ.

I really don't think the 2018 bench is comparable to 2016. 2018 is far deeper because you weren't replacing a full season of Schwarber and in 2016, Happ wasn't in the majors and Contreras/Almora didn't show up to midseason. So, of course that was going to be a more static line up. The difference in quality is striking.

Simple fact is maddon is going to have to find PAs for all of these guys. Well less so for La Stella/Zobrist as you likely don't care as much about them but not playing Almora actively hurts his development. If you're not playing Almroa he'd be far better off in AAA because at least there he's taking daily ABs. It's the same reason they aren't going to roster Caratini to stick him behind Contreras. If all they wanted was a bench bat to play CF they could have rostered Hannemann and gave Happ the time you're wanting and called up Almora whenever they needed him.

Keep in mind no one expected Jay to get as much playing time as he got last year and yet Maddon still gave him the time even early when it wasn't obvious he'd hit as well as he had. I'm sure fans are going to ***** that Happ isn't playing literally everyday but I think Maddon is going to pick the line up largely based on match ups. Almora's going to be in CF for every LHP. And I'd wager that he'll see at least 1/3 of the RHP probably closer to 1/2 in CF. That'd put him at around 100 games started. Jay started 88 games last year. If you effectively make Almora Jay in terms of playing time and give the Almora split from 2017 to Happ you're giving Almora close to 450-500 PAs and Happ still likely gets 500+ with the rest cut from Schwarber likely vs some LHP and Baez likely some vs RHP. You could easily see Happ make 120 starts with 50 in CF/2B and 20 in LF or something around that ratio which would still yield plenty of time to Almora. Likewise, vs some LHP you could play Happ at 2B and move Baez to SS as both Almora and Baez kill LHP.

That's the type of shit I'm talking about. Long story short I think the playing time people aren't expecting Almora to get likely comes out of Russell's unless he really hits because you're going to have an issue with LHP. Both Baez and Almora have to play vs LHP. And you likely are going to want Schwarber in the lineup as much as possible. If Happ also needs to be in the line up the only way to make that work is to either play Almora in RF or Baez at SS.
 

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Simple fact is maddon is going to have to find PAs for all of these guys. Well less so for La Stella/Zobrist as you likely don't care as much about them but not playing Almora actively hurts his development..

For all what guys?

Contreras Rizzo Baez Russell Bryant Schwarber and Heyward are going to play most every day...

We both agree LaStella and Zobrist dont need to see much playing time, except to give days off..

Back up Catcher will start at least once a week to keep Contreras fresh..

All that left is Almora and Happ, which im sure will get plenty of playing time..

So, im just not seeing who are all these guys youre looking to get at bats for


And again, im not saying Almora wont play..
Just think if Happ starts out pretty much the same as he doing now, i just think Maddon will ride him out til when / if he cools off..
Then he'll plug Almora in there and most likely ride the hot bat between them in CF


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No you can't. A) Fowler has a career .366 OBP and 12.7%/22.1% bb/k rate. Ian Happ had a .328 OBP last year with 9.4%/31.2%. This spring despite crushing the ball he has a 29.4% k rate and a 11.7% walk rate. B) last year Happ's RZR was .902 in CF. In his 2 years with the cubs Fowler's RZR was .925 and .929. In other words, he's significantly better as a defender. League average was .913 last year for CF. Happ as a lead off is the best of an imperfect situation. He's as miscast there as Schwarber was last year if you go by typical metrics. And frankly, he's not going to lead off vs LHP. Almora is. Almora hit .342/.411/.486 with 10.4%/13.6% bb/k rates vs LHP. That's roughly 25% of the PAs players see in a given season.

People thinking that Maddon is going to run some monolith lineup every day are in for a rude awakening. You're going to see likely 10 players around 450-500 PAs. I imagine Rizzo and Bryant are 600-650. I also imagine La Stella gets 100-150 and Gimenez gets like 250-300 just as the back up C. But the rest of guys I imagine are going to see between 400-500 PAs and I doubt anyone gets over 550 unless Maddon falls in love with Russell at SS or if Schwarber destroys LHP more than he has previously. Last year was more of best ideal case for Baez and he got 508 PAs. Heyward had 481 and I don't recall him having even minor injuries. Zobrist had 496 which is potentially high but if you assume half of the PAs Jay had go to him and the other half to Almora that seems plausible. Contreras had 428 which is probably a bit low. He might go over 550 but I can't imagine they are going to press on him too much if they are winning. You want to keep him fresh for the playoffs so playing him 130+ games at C seems like a bad idea.

You can’t talk about Schwarber lowering his SO rate with experience then place limits on Happ’s improvment with experience.

Bryant was over 30% as a rookie and has is down to 20%

Baez was at 50% and has it down by 1/2.

Basically you are Cherry picking your arguments because you prefer Almora. It is not a fair analogy that you have been pushing.

Fangraphs has Happ showing plus D in CF and minus D at 2B but you argue the opposite. Again it feels addenda driven vs fact.

I believe that Joe will keep things pretty much status que in general. Almora kinda proved in ST that he is not a lead off and Happ did. Joe has also pushed Zobrist up there so it is not the Ian Happ show at the top but he should get the lion share

Now I’m not foolish enough to think that Ian and Fowler equal each other right now. There is a learning curve going on and that is really disrespecting the game in general.
 

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No you can't. A) Fowler has a career .366 OBP and 12.7%/22.1% bb/k rate. Ian Happ had a .328 OBP last year with 9.4%/31.2%. This spring despite crushing the ball he has a 29.4% k rate and a 11.7% walk rate. B) last year Happ's RZR was .902 in CF. In his 2 years with the cubs Fowler's RZR was .925 and .929. In other words, he's significantly better as a defender. League average was .913 last year for CF. Happ as a lead off is the best of an imperfect situation. He's as miscast there as Schwarber was last year if you go by typical metrics. And frankly, he's not going to lead off vs LHP. Almora is. Almora hit .342/.411/.486 with 10.4%/13.6% bb/k rates vs LHP. That's roughly 25% of the PAs players see in a given season.

People thinking that Maddon is going to run some monolith lineup every day are in for a rude awakening. You're going to see likely 10 players around 450-500 PAs. I imagine Rizzo and Bryant are 600-650. I also imagine La Stella gets 100-150 and Gimenez gets like 250-300 just as the back up C. But the rest of guys I imagine are going to see between 400-500 PAs and I doubt anyone gets over 550 unless Maddon falls in love with Russell at SS or if Schwarber destroys LHP more than he has previously. Last year was more of best ideal case for Baez and he got 508 PAs. Heyward had 481 and I don't recall him having even minor injuries. Zobrist had 496 which is potentially high but if you assume half of the PAs Jay had go to him and the other half to Almora that seems plausible. Contreras had 428 which is probably a bit low. He might go over 550 but I can't imagine they are going to press on him too much if they are winning. You want to keep him fresh for the playoffs so playing him 130+ games at C seems like a bad idea.

What do you think the odds are of Heyward & Almora platooning in CF while Happ mostly takes over RF?
 

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I believe that Joe will keep things pretty much status que in general. Almora kinda proved in ST that he is not a lead off and Happ did. Joe has also pushed Zobrist up there so it is not the Ian Happ show at the top but he should get the lion share .

Zobrist hitting leadoff this spring was just to get him extra ABs after starting late woth his injury..

Zobrist at this stage of his career should not have a significant role on this team other then coming off bench and giving guys days off



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Zobrist hitting leadoff this spring was just to get him extra ABs after starting late woth his injury..

Zobrist at this stage of his career should not have a significant role on this team other then coming off bench and giving guys days off



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I could see Zobrist at 2B leading off with Baez on the bench or at SS. More than anyone wants to admit to.

Again it ties to cash.

Zo making 16 mil

Baez, Almora and Happ making 600K.

That pay commitment pushes the needle and gives way more leeway in the thought process.

It comes down to this: Happ/Almora/Schwarber have options left and they have to perform to retain playing time.

Anyone not on a option doesn’t have this baggage going on.

Think about it. How many teams are out there with bad contracts? Just about every one. And they still get playing time. Even the Yankees. Sure their baggage is pushed to the bench for the most part but when you have a rookie that bangs 50 it forces these decisions.
 

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What do you think the odds are of Heyward & Almora platooning in CF while Happ mostly takes over RF?

RF at Wrigley is one of the worst fields to play. That is why it is justifiable to put your best glove out there.

Normally you are going to want your best range in center at most parks. But Wrigley is a small park. Center and left play pretty strait. RF is a nightmare with the sun/shadows/well/changing winds on any day. It affects the D so much that you could justify avg D in CF and left to get your O there and sacrifice O to gain your strongest glove where it is needed.
 

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I could see Zobrist at 2B leading off with Baez on the bench or at SS. More than anyone wants to admit to.

Again it ties to cash.

Zo making 16 mil

Baez, Almora and Happ making 600K.

That pay commitment pushes the needle and gives way more leeway in the thought process.

It comes down to this: Happ/Almora/Schwarber have options left and they have to perform to retain playing time.

Anyone not on a option doesn’t have this baggage going on.

Think about it. How many teams are out there with bad contracts? Just about every one. And they still get playing time. Even the Yankees. Sure their baggage is pushed to the bench for the most part but when you have a rookie that bangs 50 it forces these decisions.
If Maddon commits to playing Zobrist over Baez Russell Happ and Almora and holding back their growth to gain experience, Etc. based on salary , then he needs to be fired...

Those guys need to be playing everyday if their going to get to the next level in their careers and be the main pieces going forward for this team..

Zobrist will be 37-38 in his final 2 years of contract, he doesn't need to be getting 400-500 AB on this team..
Zobrist is at the end of his career and does not need to be taking AB away from the younger guys

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You can’t talk about Schwarber lowering his SO rate with experience then place limits on Happ’s improvment with experience.

Bryant was over 30% as a rookie and has is down to 20%

Baez was at 50% and has it down by 1/2.

Basically you are Cherry picking your arguments because you prefer Almora. It is not a fair analogy that you have been pushing.

Fangraphs has Happ showing plus D in CF and minus D at 2B but you argue the opposite. Again it feels addenda driven vs fact.

I believe that Joe will keep things pretty much status que in general. Almora kinda proved in ST that he is not a lead off and Happ did. Joe has also pushed Zobrist up there so it is not the Ian Happ show at the top but he should get the lion share

Now I’m not foolish enough to think that Ian and Fowler equal each other right now. There is a learning curve going on and that is really disrespecting the game in general.

It's nothing to do with cherry picking. I never said Happ couldn't improve. I'm saying a guy who strikes out isn't an ideal lead off guy. Why is that controversial? And it's not like this as an abnormality with Happ. His k rate is higher than it likely will be in time but even in the minors he was decently above average. He had 23.6 % in 165 PAs at A, 23.5 % in 293 PAs at A+, and 23.3 % in 116 PAs at AAA.

Ideally Happ is probably a 5 hitter. My point comparing him to Schwarber was that Schwarber wasn't a typical lead off hitter either. I don't think Almora is a prototypical lead off hitter either unless he improves his walk rate vs RHP. Regardless, compariing him to Fowler is silly because they are nothing alike. Fowler doesn't have Happ's power. Happ isn't plus defensively despite what UZR may say. If he was he wouldn't get kicked to LF when Almora is in the game. He's below average in CF but good enough to play there. There's a vast difference between that and "plus." Also plus doesn't mean better than average. It means 60 grade or better defensively.
 

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What do you think the odds are of Heyward & Almora platooning in CF while Happ mostly takes over RF?

I don't think Happ has the arm to play RF. If you're going with this idea I think you'd play Almora/Heyward in RF. As for the idea in general, I'm more in favor of Heyward/Almora as the primary outfield for defensive reasons. Schwarber may be better there but if you look at the offense they really shouldn't be hurting for runs. Perhaps if Almora and Heyward are just garbage you might mix that up some but I'd rather give up defense with Happ at 2B over Baez/Russell(depending on who starts at SS) because bad defense at 2B leads to singles. Bad defense in the outfield leads to more doubles/triples.

Plus, if Schwarber still is k'ing at a 27-30% clip and you also have Baez and Happ with high k rates that isn't really ideal for an every day line up. High K rates lead to streaky players/teams. Reason for this is kind of obvious but to point it out it's basically that higher K rate players are giving up fewer outs in play. So, they are either terrible in terms of batting average or they have a good enough BABIP to offset those k's. It's why when Javy gets hot he's ridiculous but then he'll go into month long stretches where you get next to nothing from him.

On the contrary high contact guys like Heyward and Almora in theory are more consistent because you expect BABIP from players to be around .300 over a big enough sample. Plus, you can have productive outs in play where as strikeouts are never productive. Way I see it, you're going to have a very high OBP for 1-5 on the batting order. You want guys behind them who put the ball in play to either move them over or get them in via hits/sac flies.
 

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It's nothing to do with cherry picking. I never said Happ couldn't improve. I'm saying a guy who strikes out isn't an ideal lead off guy. Why is that controversial? And it's not like this as an abnormality with Happ. His k rate is higher than it likely will be in time but even in the minors he was decently above average. He had 23.6 % in 165 PAs at A, 23.5 % in 293 PAs at A+, and 23.3 % in 116 PAs at AAA.

Ideally Happ is probably a 5 hitter. My point comparing him to Schwarber was that Schwarber wasn't a typical lead off hitter either. I don't think Almora is a prototypical lead off hitter either unless he improves his walk rate vs RHP. Regardless, compariing him to Fowler is silly because they are nothing alike. Fowler doesn't have Happ's power. Happ isn't plus defensively despite what UZR may say. If he was he wouldn't get kicked to LF when Almora is in the game. He's below average in CF but good enough to play there. There's a vast difference between that and "plus." Also plus doesn't mean better than average. It means 60 grade or better defensively.

Bryant: Rookie 30.6%/MVP: 22.0% last year: 19.2%
Rizzo: SD: 30.1%/1st with cubs: 16.8% after that he has been one of the best hitters in baseball.
Contreras: Rookie 23.7% sophomore: 22.9% That is a respectable rate.
Baez: 41.5%/30.0/24.0/28.3 He went backwards last year with more playing time. He kinda concerns me.
Happ: 31.2%
Schwarber: 28.2/40.0(5 AB's)/30.9% (something to prove this year)
Russell: 28.5/22.6/23.6% like Contreras respectable
Heyward has pretty much around 20% or less his career.
Zo around 15%
Almora: under 20% so far.

So in general there has been a trend in the guys that they have drafted. all have started around 30% K rates and have gotten down near 20% with time. Schwarber needs to prove something still but I personally kinda trust the evaluations of Theo's team in their draft process.

but getting to a ideal lead off it is really not about striking out. It has more to do with getting on base. Happ gets that a lead off's goal is getting on base 2 out of the 5 PA's every day. Simple as that. So far .431 OBA. 6 by walk and 15 by hits. Schwarber walks more than Happ in general but it is a mental approach more than anything. Schwarber over focused walks and gave up on hitting. Now he accepts his walks and is up there as a hitter. Happ is just looking at it as getting on base 2 times per game by any means and doesn't limit himself at the plate to achieve it.

Shoot if Schwarber took to it last year this would be a non issue but he went over board. But over all I see Happ as the long term lead off. Zobrist will see time there just because he has been around and Happ is still untested over a full season in that role. They are not going to jeopardize the season over it like last year.
 

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Bryant: Rookie 30.6%/MVP: 22.0% last year: 19.2%
Rizzo: SD: 30.1%/1st with cubs: 16.8% after that he has been one of the best hitters in baseball.
Contreras: Rookie 23.7% sophomore: 22.9% That is a respectable rate.
Baez: 41.5%/30.0/24.0/28.3 He went backwards last year with more playing time. He kinda concerns me.
Happ: 31.2%
Schwarber: 28.2/40.0(5 AB's)/30.9% (something to prove this year)
Russell: 28.5/22.6/23.6% like Contreras respectable
Heyward has pretty much around 20% or less his career.
Zo around 15%
Almora: under 20% so far.

You're not really using stats effectively here. Just because Bryant cuts his K rate doesn't mean much. What you should be doing is comparing players vs competition closer to their age range. That's why I brought up his minor league numbers. If you do this you can see players who are more likely to improve. For example, you bring up Rizzo but Rizzo wasn't a high k rate guy in the minors. He k'd 389 times in 1913 minor league PAs or a 20.3% rate. Russell was 230 in 1090 or 21.1% That's different someone like Baez who k'd 430 times in 1693 PAs or 25.4%. Happ was 223 in 978 or 22.8%. Schwarber was 141 in 665 or 21.2%.

The vast majority of players will eventually settle into their minor league rates. Bryant is an exception here but that's largely because he made a mechanical change to fix a hole in his swing. More often than not most players can't do that. It's why he's an MVP candidate year to year. But as I've literally been saying for years, Baez isn't suddenly going to turn into a 20% k rate guy unless he does find that sort of change. Likewise, Happ isn't going to be an above average K rate guy. That's not something that will kill him at a 23% rate or w/e but it's not what you want batting lead off.

Also I don't agree with your definition of "ideal leadoff." It's more than just OBP. An ideal lead off hitter yes gets on base but in my view an ideal lead off hitter makes a pitcher work. You want someone up there who let's the 2-4 hitters see what a guy has today. Is his breaking pitches sharp? Is his fastball lower velocity...etc. What I want is a guy who can sit there with 2 strikes and foul off pitch after pitch if need be until he gets something he can use. If you make the starter throw 6-7 pitches before you get on or get out that does a lot of damage to him because then he's just worked his tail off and runs into Bryant and Rizzo which isn't a fun time. Someone like Matt Carpenter or Anthony Rendon is just great at that sorta shit.

That in my opinion was the issue with Schwarber there last year. Schwarber was near the league lead in pitches per plate appearance but with 2 strikes he couldn't do much. For example, Schwarber averaged 4.34 pitches per plate appearance compared to 4.37 for Rendon and 4.44 for Carp. But there's a clear difference in how difficult those hitters are at the top of the line up to what he was doing last year. For what it's worth, Happ was 3.92 which was 137 of 287 among mlb hitters with a min of 300 PAs. So, like Schwarber last year he thus far in his career has struck out at a high clip and worse than Schwarber isn't seeing as many pitches.

I don't see Happ ever being much more than a .330-.335 type OBP guy. He looks like he may already be at his base walk rate. It was 7.3% in AA, 9.5% in AAA and 9.4% last year in the majors. So any improvement to his OBP is going to have to mostly come from his batting average. To get into that .360 OBP range you're talking about him basically needing to hit .290. Realistically he's probably only a .270-.275 hitter at best.

All things being equal, like I said I think he's ideally your #5 hitter. He has enough power to drive in runs from higher OBP guys. If you wanna do the whole thing where you put your best hitter #2 you could move him up to the 4 slot. But I think we're talking about a .270/.335/.475 type hitter.
 

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