J.Graham could get cut.......

[msadows]

Eh I would rather roll the 7m over to next year when it can be used to actually help build a contender. Graham is not the difference between playoffs or not this year. He also isnt the difference between Fields being a stud or not.

Def not but it's honestly the only thing I care about.

Jimmy has worked with Brees, Wilson, and Rodgers. Those are 3 of arguably the top 10-15 qb's of all time. He knows the worth ethic, demeanor, etc of an elite NFL qb and is probably the only guy in the locker room who does.

Don't really care what they do with him. I wanted him gone pre-draft but now with fields if he stays it's cool with me.
If they cut him to roll it over next year that's cool too. Bears should have some decent cap space next year then.

 

[remydat]

We are currently at 39m next year but no wiggle room this year at about 200k. Pace usually likes to have some cushion during the year but maybe an ARob contract is in the works.

 

[msadows]

We are currently at 39m next year but no wiggle room this year at about 200k. Pace usually likes to have some cushion during the year but maybe an ARob contract is in the works.

I'm assuming they will cut quinn next year as well. Should save a decent chunk of change. 13m after June 1st.

 

[WindyCity]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1396613695342452742

 

[WindyCity]

Post bye week when Graham was really replaced as the #1 TE he had

15 catches, 154 yards, 3 TDs

69 yards and 2 TDs came in a blow out of the Jags.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Bears had already signed Dalton when they cut Fuller...they could have restructured Fuller and cut Graham to free up as much room

No truth in that. The move was required to free cap space and they still needed to pay Dalton over 3 years for a 1 year contract.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Two things can be true.

1. Trubs is garbage.

2. Graham is soft as hell and grossly overrated by Bears fans.

I don't even think there's Bears' fans who think Graham doesn't suck.

 

[Enasic]

If bears pay graham that money that’s a mistake. Could be better served elsewhere. If he wants to take a pay cut I’d give em about 4 million max…

 

[remydat]

The thing with Graham is he is only useful in the RZ but I would much rather see Kmet get those opportunities than Graham. If a 6-6, 260 pound guy cant get RZ opps then what did we use a 2nd round pick on him for?

There is no scenario in single TE sets where I want Graham playing in the red zone over Kmet. And the problem is 2 TEs sets are usually for downs where there is a threat to run but Graham sucks blocking so it hurts your ability to run in the red zone.

 

[bamainatlanta]

The thing with Graham is he is only useful in the RZ but I would much rather see Kmet get those opportunities than Graham. If a 6-6, 260 pound guy cant get RZ opps then what did we use a 2nd round pick on him for?

There is no scenario in single TE sets where I want Graham playing in the red zone over Kmet. And the problem is 2 TEs sets are usually for downs where there is a threat to run but Graham sucks blocking so it hurts your ability to run in the red zone.

Reminds me of Nagy calling a play vs the Rams in the RZ with no JG and Foles throws a pick into double coverage on a fade route with Mooney lol

 

[modo]

No truth in that. The move was required to free cap space and they still needed to pay Dalton over 3 years for a 1 year contract.

I disagree there is no truth in that......Teams can get creative and its based on what they value...btw Dalton won't hit the cap number in year three....they are paying him 2.5 but there is zero impact on the cap.

 

[dabears70]

I don't understand why people say Graham is only useful in the red zone but not between the 20's. If he can run a route to get open in the end zone, where it's much harder to get open, then why wouldn't he be able to do it between the 20's? It's not his fault that they didn't call many plays for him between the 20's but they did call some and he did make plays.

I'm with everyone on Pace overpaid him with the 2 year $16 mil but he earned his money last year. I would love for him to take a pay cut for this year even if we can save just a couple mil, but either way this year is gonna be about the transition from Jimmy to Cole which started the last 4-5 games of last year where Cole played almost twice as many snaps as Jimmy. Cole very much appreciated how good a mentor Jimmy has been for him so if it helps Cole having Jimmy this year then that matters more for me.

 

[Runruffshod75]

I think Graham is around because he knows where to be.

There is a reason Graham is here and not released early on.

I dont think hes a bad route runner, he just looks like a vending machine trying to run routes .

I thought and still think Kmet was a better TE from the get go. I underrstand that the coaching staff wants a rookie TE to solidify his roots in the ground at the FTE but I think that was elementary for Kmet from day 1.

I dont know where this Kyle Rudolph stuff is coming from. Kmet reminds me more of Kelce. Kmet has similar measurables, almost identicle playing traits, spitting image athleticism, & even had very similar combine results.

Nagy needs to stop being an egotistical moron and use the kid on the Z & Y. I think the biggest problem is that Graham has the blocking skills of a bowling pin. So Kmet gets stuck inline because of that.

One thing I CANT STAND is holding back on one talent because of the limits of another. Leno was another great example. Theres a reason Leno was terrible on the interior and RT. Leno was a solid pass blocker on his game but watching Leno try to run block was like watching a kitten try to swat at a ball of yarn sometimes. Especially in 2019. Sad to watch.

Over the past 5 years when the Bears have played their best its when theyve let the young talent cut loose out there then plugged a talent like Mack right into the middle of the bunch in 2018.

Then for some reason in 2019 Nagy started filling holes with with the best bad free agent gimmick players he could find & its been a downward spiral from there.

These young players have more advanced coaching, training and conditioning methods by the time theyre at the varsity level than ever before. Its not 1980, these young players can ball out. Theyre like piranhas out there. They swarm to the ball relentlessly and its fun to watch.

 

[dabears70]

I dont think hes a bad route runner, he just looks like a vending machine trying to run routes .

I thought and still think Kmet was a better TE from the get go. I underrstand that the coaching staff wants a rookie TE to solidify his roots in the ground at the FTE but I think that was elementary for Kmet from day 1.

I dont know where this Kyle Rudolph stuff is coming from. Kmet reminds me more of Kelce. Kmet has similar measurables, almost identicle playing traits, spitting image athleticism, & even had very similar combine results.

Nagy needs to stop being an egotistical moron and use the kid on the Z & Y. I think the biggest problem is that Graham has the blocking skills of a bowling pin. So Kmet gets stuck inline because of that.

One thing I CANT STAND is holding back on one talent because of the limits of another. Leno was another great example. Theres a reason Leno was terrible on the interior and RT. Leno was a solid pass blocker on his game but watching Leno try to run block was like watching a kitten try to swat at a ball of yarn sometimes. Especially in 2019. Sad to watch.

Over the past 5 years when the Bears have played their best its when theyve let the young talent cut loose out there then plugged a talent like Mack right into the middle of the bunch in 2018.

Then for some reason in 2019 Nagy started filling holes with with the best bad free agent gimmick players he could find & its been a downward spiral from there.

These young players have more advanced coaching, training and conditioning methods by the time theyre at the varsity level than ever before. Its not 1980, these young players can ball out. Theyre like piranhas out there. They swarm to the ball relentlessly and its fun to watch.

Okay i had to stop when you compared Kmet to Kelce and said he has identical playing traits and spitting image athleticism as kelce. I love Kmet and don't think that just because he's a big white TE like K.Rudolph that that means he's gonna have the same career as Rudolph or be the same player.

 

[Visionman]

Okay i had to stop when you compared Kmet to Kelce and said he has identical playing traits and spitting image athleticism as kelce. I love Kmet and don't think that just because he's a big white TE like K.Rudolph that that means he's gonna have the same career as Rudolph or be the same player.

I stopped when he said a rookie TE was better than a probowl vet from day 1.

 

[remydat]

I don't understand why people say Graham is only useful in the red zone but not between the 20's. If he can run a route to get open in the end zone, where it's much harder to get open, then why wouldn't he be able to do it between the 20's? It's not his fault that they didn't call many plays for him between the 20's but they did call some and he did make plays.

I'm with everyone on Pace overpaid him with the 2 year $16 mil but he earned his money last year. I would love for him to take a pay cut for this year even if we can save just a couple mil, but either way this year is gonna be about the transition from Jimmy to Cole which started the last 4-5 games of last year where Cole played almost twice as many snaps as Jimmy. Cole very much appreciated how good a mentor Jimmy has been for him so if it helps Cole having Jimmy this year then that matters more for me.

Because his best attribute is posting up and winning jump balls. He is too slow to get in position when defenders have the whole field to maneuver around him. Much harder for defenders to do that when they have limited space.

Think about this like a boxing match. A bigger ring (between the 20s) allows the faster player more ability to elude the slower player. A smaller ring (the RZ) allows the bigger player to use his power and body to greater effect.

 

[ijustposthere]

And in other news, I am about to start dating the latest and greatest super model living here in Brazil.

Was out with someone who used to model the other night and she wants to get an Audi. I couldn't help but find the CCS humor in the situation.

 

[dabears70]

Because his best attribute is posting up and winning jump balls. He is too slow to get in position when defenders have the whole field to maneuver around him. Much harder for defenders to to that when they have limited space.

Think about this like a boxing match. A bigger ring (between the 20s) allows the faster player more ability to elude the slower player. A smaller ring (the RZ) allows the bigger player to use his power and body to greater effect.

But he did get open and make plays between the 20's so the proof that he can is on tape.

 

[remydat]

But he did get open and make plays between the 20's so the proof that he can is on tape.

If you think Graham is a dynamic weapon in between the 20s then you don't watch the games. No one is saying he never caught a ball in between the 20s. It simply is not a strength of his game and he isnt doing anything between the 20s that Kmet cant do and he does it while being a worse run and pass blocker.

 

[Mdbearz]

Kmet is a great potential, and I agree with most that Graham is practically useless in the run game and very lazy in between the 20s.

Problem is we are not sure that he can be completely replaced in the TD production. Kmet was never going to be the WR in a TEs body type, and there is not another TE on the Roster that has shown the ability to pick up the slack if Kmet was to go into that role