Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[beckdawg]

@BleacherNation: The Blue Jays' Director of Pro Scouting is Reportedly Watching Jeff Samardzija Tonight http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/...-reportedly-watching-jeff-samardzija-tonight/ #Cubs

Have to think if a team really wants samardzija, their gonna make their best offer sooner rather then later to get those extra starts out of him..

With that in mind this start or the next could be his last as a cub

I'm hoping they aren't the team with the best offer for Shark. I like Norris and Nolin but in no way do I see them being worth Shark. I'm really not sold on Sanchez. His best season in the minors was 3.80 bb/9. His k/9 isn't that impressive either. It's ok at some points around 9 but I'm really not seeing numbers wise what the scouts see. If the Rockies indeed are out on Shark then I'm hoping the O's get aggressive I like what they have to offer the most.

 

[chibears55]

I'm hoping they aren't the team with the best offer for Shark. I like Norris and Nolin but in no way do I see them being worth Shark. I'm really not sold on Sanchez. His best season in the minors was 3.80 bb/9. His k/9 isn't that impressive either. It's ok at some points around 9 but I'm really not seeing numbers wise what the scouts see. If the Rockies indeed are out on Shark then I'm hoping the O's get aggressive I like what they have to offer the most.

I just read somewhere that the orioles are no longer interested in him cause they dont want to part with their top pitching prospects that they just built up..

who knows, everyone speculating now.. I hate reading rumors cause most are just assumptions, and usually most deals are ones never mentioned. .

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[beckdawg]

I just read somewhere that the orioles are no longer interested in him cause they dont want to part with their top pitching prospects that they just built up..

who knows, everyone speculating now.. I hate reading rumors cause most are just assumptions, and usually most deals are ones never mentioned. .

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I still think him to the Rockies makes so much sense but it doesn't appear to be the case. After them I just don't know what team makes any sense if the O's are also out. The Reds have Stephenson but their issue really isn't pitching. Pirates have Taillon but he just had TJ surgery. Tyler Glasnow also with the pirates is interesting but he's in A+ and has some pretty big command issue atm. Seattle isn't gonna want to part with Walker. I already voiced my concerns over Sanchez for Toronto. The royals could be interesting but Kyle Zimmer has been shut down 6-8 weeks since the start of june. Not sure the cubs would be comfortable trading for someone hurt. Boston is 5 back in the wildcard. Not sure they are gonna be buyers. Kyle Crick of SF has been mentioned as a possibility but his command is also spotty. Washington don't appear to need pitching. The braves could likely use Shark especially with the injuries they've had but they are supposedly out on him.

After those teams I'd really start to worry about return and just keeping him another year. I think you have to get something better than Edwards for him in any trade to be worth your time and it really needs to be pitching. I can buy the idea with Hammel or even Arrieta if they dealt him that you just get the best player. But Shark is arguably the best trade piece they've had and if they don't get an elite pitching prospect out of him I'd be severely disappointed in the return even if it was a bunch of high upside hitters.

 

[dabynsky]

Jays have always been and remain the best fit for all sides in Samardzija trade talks. Here is the latest from Morosi:

Furthermore, the Cubs have evaluated the Jays' farm system, and there are strong indications they would trade Samardzija to Toronto if the Jays offered Triple-A right-hander Aaron Sanchez, Double-A left-hander Daniel Norris, and Class-A center fielder Dalton Pompey.
The problem: The Jays maintain they won’t include Sanchez, Norris and Pompey in the same offer for Samardzija — or any other available player, including Tampa Bay ace David Price.
The Jays may be willing to trade one or two players from that group. But not all three. At least, not yet.

As others have said I am guessing Sanchez/Norris is the start of deal the Cubs are holding out for at this point, but this is the most concrete proposal we have heard. The Jays have also been by far the most smoke in these rumors for the past year.

 

[beckdawg]

I really hope it's not Sanchez as the headliner. I looked into him a bit more this morning and I guess I see some of the appeal from a scouting perspective now. He's got 3 plus pitches(Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 60). However, his control has to be a giant concern. And for me personally, I always place a huge premium on control because so many pitchers have amazing stuff that their control never lets them utilize. Arrieta for a long time was this case.

Dalton Pompey I hadn't heard mentioned until you brought him up but he's interesting. Looks like he could be a good top of the order type and switch hits. I also like Norris' numbers quite a bit. I'd honestly be a bit more comfortable with Hammel for Pompey and Norris personally than Shark for the three. Overall, i sort of feel like if the trade were going to happen it would have by this point. I'm not sure either team is going to yield. I suppose it depends on what sort of offers are out there. I'd prefer Sanchez to Kyle Crick but again, I'm still not that huge of a fan.

 

[chibears55]

@BleacherNation: Obsessive Samardzija Trade Watch: Mariners Interested, But Would They Deal Taijuan Walker? http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/...nterested-but-would-they-deal-taijuan-walker/ #Cubs

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[dabynsky]

I really hope it's not Sanchez as the headliner. I looked into him a bit more this morning and I guess I see some of the appeal from a scouting perspective now. He's got 3 plus pitches(Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 60). However, his control has to be a giant concern. And for me personally, I always place a huge premium on control because so many pitchers have amazing stuff that their control never lets them utilize. Arrieta for a long time was this case.

Dalton Pompey I hadn't heard mentioned until you brought him up but he's interesting. Looks like he could be a good top of the order type and switch hits. I also like Norris' numbers quite a bit. I'd honestly be a bit more comfortable with Hammel for Pompey and Norris personally than Shark for the three. Overall, i sort of feel like if the trade were going to happen it would have by this point. I'm not sure either team is going to yield. I suppose it depends on what sort of offers are out there. I'd prefer Sanchez to Kyle Crick but again, I'm still not that huge of a fan.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. If you want a pitcher that can be plugged into the rotation soon he is going to have some warts. Otherwise why would the other team give him up for Samardzija? The choice is take a guy with the upside that you think you can fix quick or take a guy that is farther away.

 

[CSF77]

Jays have always been and remain the best fit for all sides in Samardzija trade talks. Here is the latest from Morosi:


As others have said I am guessing Sanchez/Norris is the start of deal the Cubs are holding out for at this point, but this is the most concrete proposal we have heard. The Jays have also been by far the most smoke in these rumors for the past year.

If they swap Daniel Norris for Sean Nolin it should go through. Sanchez and Norris are both top 100 prospects. Shark is not going to get that return.

 

[CSF77]

@BleacherNation: Obsessive Samardzija Trade Watch: Mariners Interested, But Would They Deal Taijuan Walker? http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/...nterested-but-would-they-deal-taijuan-walker/ #Cubs

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M's are looking to trade some bats out not pitching. Not a match.

 

[CSF77]

I really hope it's not Sanchez as the headliner. I looked into him a bit more this morning and I guess I see some of the appeal from a scouting perspective now. He's got 3 plus pitches(Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 60). However, his control has to be a giant concern. And for me personally, I always place a huge premium on control because so many pitchers have amazing stuff that their control never lets them utilize. Arrieta for a long time was this case.

Dalton Pompey I hadn't heard mentioned until you brought him up but he's interesting. Looks like he could be a good top of the order type and switch hits. I also like Norris' numbers quite a bit. I'd honestly be a bit more comfortable with Hammel for Pompey and Norris personally than Shark for the three. Overall, i sort of feel like if the trade were going to happen it would have by this point. I'm not sure either team is going to yield. I suppose it depends on what sort of offers are out there. I'd prefer Sanchez to Kyle Crick but again, I'm still not that huge of a fan.

There is something to be said about being good enough to get outs even if you miss your spot. VS if you miss your spot your stuff is not good enough to get them out.

I see the value of control but I would rather have a pitcher that can get by with stuff alone. A control pitcher will get slammed with a elivated 92 MPH. A pitcher who elevates at 97 the hitter still has to catch up to it.

The extreme was Marmol. He couldn't throw his slider for strikes and never developed his fastball command. He is on the brink of being a cast off in the league.

But there are many cases for control pitchers who were not talented enough to even gain any notice. At least Marmol had the talent to have value.

So in the end I would rather have a high talent arm. Then teach him to harness it. VS trying to teach a pitcher talent.

 

[beckdawg]

I'd rather have a pitcher with decent stuff and great control rather than someone with amazing stuff with below average control. Even when you think of typical high stuff low control guys like Randy Johnson he still only had 3.26 bb/9. Sanchez been at 5.45 in AA this year and 4.17 in A+. Additionally, what makes Johnson so great is that even with his slightly below average control he went deep into games often. That's part of the problem Arrieta has in that while he pitched well this year he's often going 5 innings.

 

[theberserkfury]

That's part of the problem Arrieta has in that while he pitched well this year he's often going 5 innings.

Well, since they let up on his 80ish pitch limit (after his third start), he's only pitched less than 6 innings once...

 

[beckdawg]

Well, since they let up on his 80ish pitch limit (after his third start), he's only pitched less than 6 innings once...

They routinely have let him go 100 pitches all season with him and all of their pitchers.

 

[Captain Obvious]

They routinely have let him go 100 pitches all season with him and all of their pitchers.

Yeah, after his 3rd start... He went 82, 81, 82 in his first 3.

 

[DrGonzo]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24598514/samardzija-a-great-trade-chip-but-can-he-bring-twice-as-much-as-garza

Samardzija a great trade chip, but can he bring twice as much as Garza?

 

[beckdawg]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24598514/samardzija-a-great-trade-chip-but-can-he-bring-twice-as-much-as-garza

Samardzija a great trade chip, but can he bring twice as much as Garza?

Hard to say exactly what "twice" garza is. If you're saying two top 50 type players, with two former top 100 players and 4 throw ins? no way. Could they get two top 50 players? Sure. I personally view their top end as the Garza trade plus maybe one more big piece or instead of an Olt like player a second Edwards type. I think you're talking one "sure thing" pitcher for sure. Edwards is a hopeful starter but possibly a reliever. So, when I say "sure thing" I mean someone who's going to stick at starter and has the potential to be at least a #2 and probably #1 type.

 

[theberserkfury]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ospect-dylan-bundy-dominating-in-rehab-starts

Yeah, I don't get the feeling Bundy's an option...

 

[JZsportsfan]

Anyone think that the way Arrieta has been pitching will affect Samardzija at all? May change the Cubs prospective window to compete if they can bring in a top end of the guy this offseason to pair with Shark, and Arrieta there. With all the changes to the lineup expected next year I could see the Cubs having an outside shot at competing for a WC spot next year

 

[beckdawg]

Anyone think that the way Arrieta has been pitching will affect Samardzija at all? May change the Cubs prospective window to compete if they can bring in a top end of the guy this offseason to pair with Shark, and Arrieta there. With all the changes to the lineup expected next year I could see the Cubs having an outside shot at competing for a WC spot next year

In a word, no. They've already offered Shark $17 mil/season which is at the very least fair market value and more likely over paying him. The offer was fine given their needs but to offer him more than Sanchez got in FA two years ago is pretty silly. Shark hasn't been anywhere near as good as Sanchez has. Shark while good is far from the only pitcher who can give the cubs what he does and at 29 it's not really like they are locking up a young guy. Low mileage on the arm and all that but I don't honestly think that's going to make him pitch significantly better post say 33-34 which at that point may as well be any other FA.

 

[Diehardfan]

I just don't get it. Trade him for a kid that you have to hope matures into what Shark already is. Why? Because of money? **** that....pay him. Then get some of these young bats up here and score a few runs....funny how much better a pitching staff is when they get a few runs to work with.