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•Rasmus' name reportedly emerged in trade talks for starting pitching. While Anthopoulos noted that "no one is untradeable," he also added that "for us to move an everyday position player and feel like we can get better, that would be hard to do."
•The Cubs are asking for Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez and a third prospect from the Blue Jays for Jeff Samardzija, Elliott reports. Anthopoulos recently said he was constantly being asked about Stroman and Sanchez, the Jays' top two pitching prospects, in possible deals.

If Rasmus is truly tradeable and the Jays are looking for a SP and are interested in Samardzija but don't want to give up their two top pitching prospects, why not work something out for Rasmus and one top pitching prospect for Samardzija and someone the Jays would want..

Rasmus being just 27 could become a core player in the OF if they extend him....

im all for stock piling the farm, but have to admit im disappointed so far with their ignorance towards adding long term core players to the major league roster so far this off season.. being off season year 3 I was hoping for at least 1 or 2 long term every day starter via FA or trade added in heading into the season to go with Castillo, Rizzo, and Castro. then maybe Baez and Bryant added in at some point during the year..
 

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While thoughts of landing Price might have only existed in the fantasy world, the Braves were genuinely interested in finding out what it would take to bring Samardzija to Atlanta. That interest quickly died when the Cubs indicated they would be looking for a return package that included either Jason Heyward or Justin Upton.

Hmm... and some thought asking for Skaggs AND Bradley was a lot to ask for.
 

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Hmm... and some thought asking for Skaggs AND Bradley was a lot to ask for.

And the Angels made a call looking at Shark but the Cubs wanted Trout plus a prospect

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And the Angels made a call looking at Shark but the Cubs wanted Trout plus a prospect

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This is said metaphorically, right?
 

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Jeff Samardzija’s Two Bad Months
by Brett Talley - January 6, 2014

The first thing you probably notice when you look at Jeff Samardzija‘s player page is his ERA of 4.34 last year. And if you click over to his 2013 splits, you’ll see that ERAs north of 5.00 in each of the last three months of the season were responsible for the high ERA.

But don’t let the Shark’s apparent struggles in the second half scare you too much. In reality, July was the only one of those three bad months in which Samardzija actually pitched poorly. His strikeout and walk rates went in the wrong direction in July, but they were back within his normal range in August and September. His ERA just stayed bad because his BABIP was over .340 in those months, his strand rate was 66% in August, and his HR/FB rate was 26% in September.

What’s most concerning is that the July blip wasn’t the only significant rough patch that Samardzija has had since becoming a starter. In June of 2012, his strikeout and walk rates also went in the wrong direction, and his ERA ballooned to 10.41 in that month. Just to give you an idea of how out-of-the-ordinary those two months were, here is a chart showing the Shark’s strikeout and walk rates, ERA and xFIP for each of his 12 professional months as a starter.

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I picked Samardzija to write about because I wanted to look into his two bad months and see if I could identify what went wrong. But there’s nothing obvious that I can find.

I started by looking at his pitch mix and found no red flags. It seemed strange that he used a curve about 9% of the time in June 2012 because that is a pitch he had not used before and has hardly used since. But that didn’t contribute to the bad month because his curve had the lowest ISO and slugging allowed of any of his pitches that month. Other than that, nothing in his pitch mix appeared to be the cause.

I also thought he might have been dealing with an injury, but I don’t believe he ever appeared in Jeff Zimmerman’s MASH Report, and he had no issues with velocity in either of the problem months.

Then I thought he might have had a mechanical problem. I took a look at brooksbaseball.net to see if there was any issue with his release point, but that yielded no answer. His release point might have been a hair further out from his body than normal in July 2013, but it was so slight that it couldn’t have been the cause of his struggles. And his release point in June 2012 was consistent with his typical release point, so that’s not the problem. It’s possible he could have a different mechanical issue that the available data can’t clue us in on, but there’s no obvious answer to the blowups in his release point.

Ultimately, the answer is probably that consistency is tough and Samardzija just didn’t have his best stuff for those stretches. As he said in an interview with Eno Sarris in July, “Pitches come and go so much throughout the year. You’ll go two week stints where two or three of them will be on, and the other one you’re wondering what happened to it.”

I was hoping to find some obvious reason for the dips in Samardzija’s performance to determine what the risk was of it happening again. But I realize that the possibility of another blowup month some time in 2014 may not be something that should scare me off. Had he not had the bad luck in the final two months of last season, I probably wouldn’t be as worried about him because his ERA probably would have been under 4.00. If he had two straight seasons with an ERA in the high-threes and stud strikeout numbers, I’d happily sign up for another season of that. But his skills say he should have had that sub-4.00 ERA last year, so that’s what I expect from him going forward.

With his ability to miss bats, Samardzia will always have upside. Unfortunately, he has a bit of an issue with homers. If he could manage to keep the ball in the park, he could potentially get down to a 3.40-ish ERA with a top ten strikeout rate. His upside is something like what A.J. Burnett did last year, which would make him a borderline top 30 fantasy starter. But because of the homer issues that have shown no indication of going away, I’d guess his 2014 roto line looks something like what Jon Lester did last year with more strikeouts and fewer wins. That would make Samardzija a borderline fourth starter in 12-team mixed leagues and a solid fifth starter. With his upside, I’d be comfortable taking him as my fourth starter.

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So is Samardzija more likely to be traded now because teams missed out on Tanaka.....or less likely to be traded since the Cubs starting pitching will be embarrassing?
 

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If Rasmus is truly tradeable and the Jays are looking for a SP and are interested in Samardzija but don't want to give up their two top pitching prospects, why not work something out for Rasmus and one top pitching prospect for Samardzija and someone the Jays would want..

Rasmus being just 27 could become a core player in the OF if they extend him....

im all for stock piling the farm, but have to admit im disappointed so far with their ignorance towards adding long term core players to the major league roster so far this off season.. being off season year 3 I was hoping for at least 1 or 2 long term every day starter via FA or trade added in heading into the season to go with Castillo, Rizzo, and Castro. then maybe Baez and Bryant added in at some point during the year..


you wont get rasmus plus a "top" pitching prospect for shark.
 

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So is Samardzija more likely to be traded now because teams missed out on Tanaka.....or less likely to be traded since the Cubs starting pitching will be embarrassing?

unless they can agree to a 5+ yr extension at a reasonable price I say more likely. . would it be crazy to think they could use himas main piece to get price, if they can get price to agree to an extension? most likely tanaka money.

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unless they can agree to a 5+ yr extension at a reasonable price I say more likely. . would it be crazy to think they could use himas main piece to get price, if they can get price to agree to an extension? most likely tanaka money.

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oh god. shark as the main piece to get price? what!


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oh god. shark as the main piece to get price? what!


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Tampa isn't going to take on salary. They need prospects, and it has been proven that they are not an ideal team to deal with because they ask for a ton in return. The best thing the Cubs could hope for is that Soler has a really good year so they could put him out to Tampa next year as a headliner with others if Price is still around and maybe that would sway Tampa to make a deal, seeing that as of now, the populus has Soler as being the most expendable of the big 4.
 

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Shark prolly called his agent today and said Lets get a trade done
 

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unless they can agree to a 5+ yr extension at a reasonable price I say more likely. . would it be crazy to think they could use himas main piece to get price, if they can get price to agree to an extension? most likely tanaka money.

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Yes. Yes it would be crazy.

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So is Samardzija more likely to be traded now because teams missed out on Tanaka.....or less likely to be traded since the Cubs starting pitching will be embarrassing?

I think he gets traded. Had they got Tanaka and had Tanaka been as advertised he speeds up the rebuilding curve which might work with the timetable Shark has. Shark may have less mileage on his arm than a lot of pitchers but I tend to believe his age is a bit prohibitive. Just because he's pitched say 2-3 fewer years doesn't mean he's going to pitch til he's 41-43. Realistically, you're talking 5 more pretty good years. They're likely 1.5 years off before the first wave of high quality prospects hits(Baez Alcantara and possibly Bryant). Unless those players are gangbusters good from the start you're talking another couple years to adjust plus adding around them as well as the other guys like Almora and Edwards. At that point is Shark the same pitcher he could be/is today?

I honestly think the only reason he wasn't dealt a the winter meetings was because the Tanaka stuff held up the pitching market and the cubs wanted to deal him from a position of strength. After his season last year that's difficult. It's possible someone could have given them what they thought was fair value regardless but that obviously didn't happen.
 

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It's possible someone could have given them what they thought was fair value regardless but that obviously didn't happen.

That's why he's still a Cub. They overvalued him and no one wanted to meet the price.

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he also has "punchface"


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Don't care about punchface. Do care that only in the two seasons his BABIP was above .350 did he manage an OBP well over 300. And that three of his five seasons he managed a BABIP below .300 suggests that his "breakout" last year was something sustainable.
 

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Don't care about punchface. Do care that only in the two seasons his BABIP was above .350 did he manage an OBP well over 300. And that three of his five seasons he managed a BABIP below .300 suggests that his "breakout" last year was something sustainable.

i know people like using BABIP on certain things. You know who led MLB in BABIP last year? Mike Trout over .400. Is it a sign he going to decline? I think BABIP can be misleading. Kind of tells you who hits ball hard alot or guys that hit weak balls
 

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