Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[brett05]

Shark has as much talent as any AL pitcher. Sorry

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[Boobaby1]

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Right now, Shark could pitch in the AL and do it effectively. It's just that he would be more of a mid to bottom half of the rotation pitcher which every team needs anyways.

Innings eaters and .500 pitchers do have a lot of value in either league. opcorn:

 

[CSF77]

He could turn out like Burnett. Decent with a good 97 fastball split combo. By no means a 1 or a 2 in the league but a solid 3 type that can give 200 innings every year.

 

[brett05]

Right now, Shark could pitch in the AL and do it effectively. It's just that he would be more of a mid to bottom half of the rotation pitcher which every team needs anyways.

Innings eaters and .500 pitchers do have a lot of value in either league. opcorn:

Thats not what was said. For shame on you all for letting the comment go

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[JosMin]

for 1) shark is not a front end rotation guy. he will get shalacked in the al east.

2) who would want brett jackson or vitters?


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Samardzija's peripherals are as good as Garza's, and Garza had success there. In terms of experience, Samardzija is still young. Not all starting pitchers blossom into superstars in 18 months like Clayton Kershaw or Felix Hernandez. Look at guys like Homer Bailey and Max Scherzer -- it took them several years to blossom into competent starters and now they're both in line for monster paydays.

And to answer the question about Jackson and Vitters, Jackson has zero value right now. It's pretty safe to assume he's a bust and his only future in the league would be as a late-inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. He's got a hole in his swing the size of a drive-thru window that was never fixed. Vitters, on the other hand, still has value. He's put up promising numbers in AAA the last two seasons and between him and Olt, the Cubs need to just start them both at the Majors in April and see if they can swim. I'd rather see them split time at third than Valbuena.

 

[CSF77]

Samardzija's peripherals are as good as Garza's, and Garza had success there. In terms of experience, Samardzija is still young. Not all starting pitchers blossom into superstars in 18 months like Clayton Kershaw or Felix Hernandez. Look at guys like Homer Bailey and Max Scherzer -- it took them several years to blossom into competent starters and now they're both in line for monster paydays.

And to answer the question about Jackson and Vitters, Jackson has zero value right now. It's pretty safe to assume he's a bust and his only future in the league would be as a late-inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. He's got a hole in his swing the size of a drive-thru window that was never fixed. Vitters, on the other hand, still has value. He's put up promising numbers in AAA the last two seasons and between him and Olt, the Cubs need to just start them both at the Majors in April and see if they can swim. I'd rather see them split time at third than Valbuena.

Vitters/Jackson would be lowball offers but Happ is a down grade to Shark. I was also looking into their needs and they are looking for a 2B. Makes you wonder what Barney's trade value is right now to them.



On Vitters he has been moved off of 3B due to his D. I consider him a back up plan to Lake.

 

[DewsSox79]

Shark has as much talent as any AL pitcher. Sorry

oh so like Sale,Verlander,Scherzer,Price,Weaver,Felix,Quintana,Masterson,CC,darvish,sanchez,shields,lester,peavy Really dude? please be real. If he goes to the NL East he will get destroyed. He just isn't anything special.

guess who this awesome pitcher is? 4.34 ERA 1.348 WHIP 91 ERA+ 1.0 WAR. Now put those numbers into the NL East. LOL you are so wrong.

 

[DewsSox79]

Samardzija's peripherals are as good as Garza's, and Garza had success there. In terms of experience, Samardzija is still young. Not all starting pitchers blossom into superstars in 18 months like Clayton Kershaw or Felix Hernandez. Look at guys like Homer Bailey and Max Scherzer -- it took them several years to blossom into competent starters and now they're both in line for monster paydays.

And to answer the question about Jackson and Vitters, Jackson has zero value right now. It's pretty safe to assume he's a bust and his only future in the league would be as a late-inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. He's got a hole in his swing the size of a drive-thru window that was never fixed. Vitters, on the other hand, still has value. He's put up promising numbers in AAA the last two seasons and between him and Olt, the Cubs need to just start them both at the Majors in April and see if they can swim. I'd rather see them split time at third than Valbuena.

you can say that for any SP at that age. I mean that's throwing a basketball against the wall hoping it will stick.

 

[The Bandit]

If we got an offer that was almost or equal to the Garza deal, I'd jump on it, Shark is a decent pitcher... but a package like the one for Garza would be the moon for him at this point.

 

[SilenceS]

oh so like Sale,Verlander,Scherzer,Price,Weaver,Felix,Quintana,Masterson,CC,darvish,sanchez,shields,lester,peavy Really dude? please be real. If he goes to the NL East he will get destroyed. He just isn't anything special.

guess who this awesome pitcher is? 4.34 ERA 1.348 WHIP 91 ERA+ 1.0 WAR. Now put those numbers into the NL East. LOL you are so wrong.

Well, guess that joke flew past yalls head!

 

[brett05]

Well, guess that joke flew past yalls head!

Try green font next time

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[Boobaby1]

oh so like Sale,Verlander,Scherzer,Price,Weaver,Felix,Quintana,Masterson,CC,darvish,sanchez,shields,lester,peavy Really dude? please be real. If he goes to the NL East he will get destroyed. He just isn't anything special.

guess who this awesome pitcher is? 4.34 ERA 1.348 WHIP 91 ERA+ 1.0 WAR. Now put those numbers into the NL East. LOL you are so wrong.

Not over-valuing Shark, but getting destroyed is a stretch. I think I was fair in his assessment of being a mid-to bottom half of the rotation pitcher in the AL.

That said, I wouldn't say Scott Feldman and Jason Hammel were completely destroyed and they pitched in the AL East. Would Sharks ERA take a hit? Sure. Probably by .50 to .75 of a point, thus putting him in the bottom half of a rotation.

Also factor in that if he goes to any AL East team, he will immediately be on a much, much better team with actual hitters behind him and not with this current pathetic, unaddressed offense, so he is probably a .500 pitcher there too.

Apparently somebody wants Shark, so it's either the GM of the Cubs, or the heads at Toronto, Baltimore, and Arizona. Are they all wrong in wanting Shark?

If nobody wanted him, why is his name even mentioned at all for the past year and a half?

 

[SilenceS]

Pitchers poised to make 'the leap'
Six hurlers with the stuff to emerge like Max Scherzer did in 2013
Updated: January 24, 2014, 12:16 PM ET
By Dan Szymborski | ESPN Insider


One of 2013's big stories was the emergence of Max Scherzer, the eventual American League Cy Young Award winner. Though he entered the season with a career-best ERA of 3.50 and neither an All-Star Game or Cy Young vote to his name, the 28-year-old righty dominated the AL en route to a 21-3 record, a sterling 2.90 ERA, and the Cy Young Award.

The elite pitchers in baseball don't emerge from the ground, fully formed stars in the manner of Greek mythology; they usually come from the group of good to very good pitchers. Somewhere out there, there's a merely good pitcher about to become a terrific one. The challenge is identifying just who that will be.

The odds of any particular pitcher taking a step forward are relatively small -- if it were easy, everybody would do it -- but here are my favorite candidates to break out and have a Cy Young-esque 2014 season.

Jeff Samardzija, RHP | Chicago Cubs

Three years ago, Samardzija's name being on a list like this would be absolutely ludicrous. Lots of people -- myself included -- doubted the Cubs could ever turn Samardzija from a flamethrower with miserable command into a top-flight starter.

Even the Cubs appeared to question their chances at times, trying the Shark in a number of roles in his first three stints in the majors, which consisted of a 5.95 ERA and 50 walks in 81 2/3 innings for Chicago. He even struggled at times to get minor leaguers out, with a 4.17 ERA and five walks per game in Triple-A -- not exactly screaming "top-flight starter."

The wide receiver jokes about Samardzija are a thing of the past as he continues to show steady improvement. Sometimes the hardest thing for a prospect to do is lose those extra walks, but while he's no Bob Tewksbury, his 3.1 walks per nine in the past two seasons is quite respectable. Samardzija's second half featured a rather ugly 4.72 ERA, but a lot of that was fueled by a .324 BABIP as the Cubs' summer turned sour faster than an egg salad sandwich left sitting in your car.


Homer Bailey, RHP | Cincinnati Reds

After years of underperforming, Bailey finally established himself as a Real Major Leaguer in 2012, but I still suspect that his upside is higher than the solid 111 ERA+ he has put up the past two seasons.

In 2013, Bailey was 11th in baseball in percentage of pitches that were swinging strikes. The top 10 includes both Cy Young Award winners and five others who received votes (Yu Darvish, Anibal Sanchez, Sale, Harvey, and Madison Bumgarner). Bailey throws hard, with the seventh-fastest fastball average in 2013 and the second-fastest slider, and given his ability to miss bats, his upside is higher than simply being a good No. 2 or 3 starter.

 

[SilenceS]

Not over-valuing Shark, but getting destroyed is a stretch. I think I was fair in his assessment of being a mid-to bottom half of the rotation pitcher in the AL.

That said, I wouldn't say Scott Feldman and Jason Hammel were completely destroyed and they pitched in the AL East. Would Sharks ERA take a hit? Sure. Probably by .50 to .75 of a point, thus putting him in the bottom half of a rotation.

Also factor in that if he goes to any AL East team, he will immediately be on a much, much better team with actual hitters behind him and not with this current pathetic, unaddressed offense, so he is probably a .500 pitcher there too.

Beating a dead horse Boo. He plays for the Cubs and not the White Sox and he plays in the NL not the AL so they automatically think he is horrible.

 

[DewsSox79]

Not over-valuing Shark, but getting destroyed is a stretch. I think I was fair in his assessment of being a mid-to bottom half of the rotation pitcher in the AL.

That said, I wouldn't say Scott Feldman and Jason Hammel were completely destroyed and they pitched in the AL East. Would Sharks ERA take a hit? Sure. Probably by .50 to .75 of a point, thus putting him in the bottom half of a rotation.

Also factor in that if he goes to any AL East team, he will immediately be on a much, much better team with actual hitters behind him and not with this current pathetic, unaddressed offense, so he is probably a .500 pitcher there too.

Apparently somebody wants Shark, so it's either the GM of the Cubs, or the heads at Toronto, Baltimore, and Arizona. Are they all wrong in wanting Shark?

If nobody wanted him, why is his name even mentioned at all for the past year and a half?

lol. sure someone would take him but its what some of you are wanting back for him. its comical.


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[DewsSox79]

Beating a dead horse Boo. He plays for the Cubs and not the White Sox and he plays in the NL not the AL so they automatically think he is horrible.

numbers dont lie. just be because someone writes that a pitcher could emerge like sherzer means nothing. and i would be fucking pissed if we gave up a batboy for shark.


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[CSF77]

numbers dont lie. just be because someone writes that a pitcher could emerge like sherzer means nothing. and i would be fucking pissed if we gave up a batboy for shark.


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That is pretty much hater talk there.

 

[Boobaby1]

lol. sure someone would take him but its what some of you are wanting back for him. its comical.


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What, is he not at least equivalent to the White Sox #3 pitcher in John Danks? What has Danks done that is so special? All things considered, I'd be more pissed that I was paying Danks 15 million per year versus Shark getting 5.5 million.

That is what teams are looking at. The chance of getting a #3 pitcher at that cost which is huge, and it should cost very high prospects. Sorry, but I am not wrong on this one no matter how you want to spin it.

 

[SilenceS]

That is pretty much hater talk there.

Bingo Bango

 

[brett05]

That is pretty much hater talk there.

It is...for the poor bat boy

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