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I think it matters more what stadium Shark goes to than what league. One of his biggest problems has been giving up homers(13.3% HR/FB in 2013 and 12.8% in 2012 where league average is around 10.5%). Playing in Wrigley isn't helping him as wrigley was the #2 offensive park IIRC. If you put Shark in Petco or Safeco a lot of his damage is negated by having a bigger outfield to work with. I'm not sure if a move to a different stadium would make him a 3.25 or less ERA type but he would likely be in the 3.25-3.5 ERA range. But I don't think a move to the AL automatically destroys him. His FIP also suggests the cubs defense or lack of let him down some.

I personally am in the trade him if you get decent value camp just because I'm seeing more a 3.5-3.75 ERA type as his best case with the cubs which is more of a #2. That plus the fact he isn't there yet at 29 worries me and if you can get two quality prospects for him then great.
 

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The thing is he still can light up the radar and has a solid out pitch when it is on that day.

He lacks pitch ability. And that is what is preventing him becoming a top of the rotation.

It gets to a point when a pitcher has to know how to pitch vs depend on stuff alone.
 

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The thing is he still can light up the radar and has a solid out pitch when it is on that day.

He lacks pitch ability. And that is what is preventing him becoming a top of the rotation.

It gets to a point when a pitcher has to know how to pitch vs depend on stuff alone.

sounds like matt garza

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I think it matters more what stadium Shark goes to than what league. One of his biggest problems has been giving up homers(13.3% HR/FB in 2013 and 12.8% in 2012 where league average is around 10.5%). Playing in Wrigley isn't helping him as wrigley was the #2 offensive park IIRC. If you put Shark in Petco or Safeco a lot of his damage is negated by having a bigger outfield to work with. I'm not sure if a move to a different stadium would make him a 3.25 or less ERA type but he would likely be in the 3.25-3.5 ERA range. But I don't think a move to the AL automatically destroys him. His FIP also suggests the cubs defense or lack of let him down some.

I personally am in the trade him if you get decent value camp just because I'm seeing more a 3.5-3.75 ERA type as his best case with the cubs which is more of a #2. That plus the fact he isn't there yet at 29 worries me and if you can get two quality prospects for him then great.

so all of a sudden he goes to petco or safeco and he drops to a 3.25? where do you come up with this shit?


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so all of a sudden he goes to petco or safeco and he drops to a 3.25? where do you come up with this shit?


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Must have checked out his Range Factor bro. Or his Randy Wells FIP.
 

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so all of a sudden he goes to petco or safeco and he drops to a 3.25? where do you come up with this shit?


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Perhaps you should reread my post because I was suggesting that sort of stadium would make him a 3.25-3.5 ERA pitcher. You picked the absolute top of the range. And if you don't believe that sort of stadium can have an impact on a HR prone pitcher you should probably look at Andrew Cashner's home/road splits. He had a 1.95 ERA at Petco and a 4.00 ERA away making his overall ERA 3.09. In his only extended period at wrigley he had a 15.7% HR/FB with a 4.80 ERA. Are we really going to say that Cashner is far and away better than Shark? Shark's ERA in 2012 was 3.81. Why is it that hard to believe a bigger stadium where he could limit his HR/FB damage would drop his ERA a measly .3-.5? In order for Shark to have a 3.5 ERA in 2012 he would have had to given up 68 ER vs the 74 ER he gave up. He gave up 20 HRs. If as few as 5 of those stay in the field of play and are outs you're basically there.

Keep in mind I didn't call him an ace that would normally go along with that sort of ERA because when you take him on the road he'll be exposed more. But, petco does a great job at lowering ERAs. See guys like Peavy if you need further proof. He was a Cy Young guy with the Padres and not nearly as good else where(3.25 ERA from 2002-2008 and 4.00 ERA from 2009-2013). Or we could talk about Heath Bell who was the best closer in the game in petco and has 4 seasons over a 4 ERA out of his 5 outside of it(3.33, 5.59, 5.11, 5.09, 4.11).
 

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Perhaps you should reread my post because I was suggesting that sort of stadium would make him a 3.25-3.5 ERA pitcher. You picked the absolute top of the range. And if you don't believe that sort of stadium can have an impact on a HR prone pitcher you should probably look at Andrew Cashner's home/road splits. He had a 1.95 ERA at Petco and a 4.00 ERA away making his overall ERA 3.09. In his only extended period at wrigley he had a 15.7% HR/FB with a 4.80 ERA. Are we really going to say that Cashner is far and away better than Shark? Shark's ERA in 2012 was 3.81. Why is it that hard to believe a bigger stadium where he could limit his HR/FB damage would drop his ERA a measly .3-.5? In order for Shark to have a 3.5 ERA in 2012 he would have had to given up 68 ER vs the 74 ER he gave up. He gave up 20 HRs. If as few as 5 of those stay in the field of play and are outs you're basically there.

Keep in mind I didn't call him an ace that would normally go along with that sort of ERA because when you take him on the road he'll be exposed more. But, petco does a great job at lowering ERAs. See guys like Peavy if you need further proof. He was a Cy Young guy with the Padres and not nearly as good else where(3.25 ERA from 2002-2008 and 4.00 ERA from 2009-2013). Or we could talk about Heath Bell who was the best closer in the game in petco and has 4 seasons over a 4 ERA out of his 5 outside of it(3.33, 5.59, 5.11, 5.09, 4.11).

You mean Jake after injury wasn't as effective as before? In addition his era went up when he went from the NL to the AL? You don't say.
And Bell had his worst seasons at the end of his career as an aging man? Never would have guessed that. (And don't try to compare his non-closer fresh to the big years to him after he became a decent closer.)
 

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I live in San Diego. It killed Ryan Klesco's power. RF was built to contain Barry Bonds. The ball doesn't carry at night. The park was built with Gwinn in mind where a spray hitter would benefit from a bigger outfield.
 

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Samardzija sees progress with Cubs

We all know that Jeff Samardzija and the Cubs are at an impasse.

The club and pitcher have had some widely reported difficulties making either a short or long term deal happen.

In these cases, it is almost always about the money.

Money surely is a factor here. However, there is a competitive component that shouldn’t be taken lightly. Samardzija is an ultra competitive athlete, and he is less than thrilled about the last couple of seasons he has had to endure on the north side.

There was plenty of talk of the Cubs possibly moving the 29 year old pitcher this past summer and into the winter meetings. The funny thing is that Samardzija wants to stay and the Cubs want to keep him.

Why can’t a deal be struck?

Yes, there are some industry people I have spoken with that believe Samardzija and the Cubs are a ways apart on perceived value. Yet, one AL exec feels strongly it has more to do with “Shark” wanting to win and not being content in a rebuild mode.

Samardzija visited the “Mac and Spiegel Show” via the Score 670 AM on Friday and spoke about what he needs to see from the Cubs.

When specifically asked how he feels about the current rebuilding process he shared some honest thoughts.

“It (the rebuilding word) makes the back of my throat clench up”. “To say it’s okay to lose for the better of a future plan, that is tough for me to swallow”, Samardzija said.

Samardzija stated he would just like to see a sign that things are moving forward in the program before committing to the Cubs long term.

The Cubs ace may have caught a glimpse of that very sign in Arizona recently.

"Baez, Bryant, Soler, watching those guys work is exciting, they’re hungry. I really love to see that. I really like to see how hungry those guys are. They not only want to get to the big leagues, they want to be great in the big leagues”, said Samardzija.

Time will tell if that sign leads to a signing.
 

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Catch 22. If Theo would have given A-Ram a 3 year extention and extended Garza. Now this is just retaining talent vs adding talent Bryant would not be on the team.

This is just a old arguement. Ya they are tanking to free up resource. Who cares about the why of it. Fact is that has been the trend. And when player A wants market value he gets shipped out. If player A signs a team friendly he gets locked up.

It is all about the money with the Ricketts. But don't point to this great talent with out remarking that it took sucking to get it.
 

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Catch 22. If Theo would have given A-Ram a 3 year extention and extended Garza. Now this is just retaining talent vs adding talent Bryant would not be on the team.

This is just a old arguement. Ya they are tanking to free up resource. Who cares about the why of it. Fact is that has been the trend. And when player A wants market value he gets shipped out. If player A signs a team friendly he gets locked up.

It is all about the money with the Ricketts. But don't point to this great talent with out remarking that it took sucking to get it.


Maybe they get Wacha with 19 pick :rimshot:
 

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Maybe they get Wacha with 19 pick :rimshot:

I'm not denying that. But as far as I'm concerned if Bryant and Baez work out I am not complaining.

Now on Almora I believe they should have snagged Appel when he fell.

Regardless I'm going on 38 year bearing with this team. There has been more bad years than good years. If it works I'll be excited. If it doesn't well it will be a let down.

But I havn't seen a dedication into the farm sense Green was running the team. I like that part. The whole not spending I again don't care for. But we wouldn't have Bryant or for that matter a shot at Appel. We would be looking at bigger dice rolls and less to spend to sign them.

The point here is the Cubs had a shitty system with little talent. Bad coaching that was not producing quality. Basically the Boat the Yanks are in with out their resource to buy a team.

Ya it sucks to wait but it is not like no team has done this before. I happen to remember Texas sucking for years while building a farm and now they are in it every year.

Try to not look at it short sighted and see other teams that have had sucess walking this path.

Yes the Cards are an exception. So are the Yanks. They just toss cash cause they can. Braves dedicate to the draft. Texas still has a sold farm. Bo-Sox still continuing what Theo started. And so on.

Regarding shark: if he wants to be a pain I would deal him. All he does is ***** instead of leading the staff. Dude needs to learn to shut up and let his performance dictate his market value.
 

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I'm not denying that. But as far as I'm concerned if Bryant and Baez work out I am not complaining.

Now on Almora I believe they should have snagged Appel when he fell.

Regardless I'm going on 38 year bearing with this team. There has been more bad years than good years. If it works I'll be excited. If it doesn't well it will be a let down.

But I havn't seen a dedication into the farm sense Green was running the team. I like that part. The whole not spending I again don't care for. But we wouldn't have Bryant or for that matter a shot at Appel. We would be looking at bigger dice rolls and less to spend to sign them.

The point here is the Cubs had a shitty system with little talent. Bad coaching that was not producing quality. Basically the Boat the Yanks are in with out their resource to buy a team.

Ya it sucks to wait but it is not like no team has done this before. I happen to remember Texas sucking for years while building a farm and now they are in it every year.

Try to not look at it short sighted and see other teams that have had sucess walking this path.

Yes the Cards are an exception. So are the Yanks. They just toss cash cause they can. Braves dedicate to the draft. Texas still has a sold farm. Bo-Sox still continuing what Theo started. And so on.

Regarding shark: if he wants to be a pain I would deal him. All he does is ***** instead of leading the staff. Dude needs to learn to shut up and let his performance dictate his market value.

Correct me if I'm wrong because I am going strictly by memory, and at my age, I'm sure it will show here. In the late 1990's and early 2000's a few guys were in the so-called "system that never was".

Out of that, their will be some hyped, some good, and some less than stellar prospects named Zambrano, Jon Garland, Juan Cruz, Prior, Patterson, Wood, Farnsworth, Rich Hill, Dontrelle Willis (notable used to acquire Clement and Alfonseca), Bobby Hill (used to acquire A-Ram), Choi (used to acquire Derek Lee), Mitre, Nolasco, and Pinto (used to acquire Pierre). Not saying that all trades were successful, but point being is the Cubs had to have a farm to net those players.

Now couple that with the prospects who were not fortunate to ever have success and were complete busts, and you had Cubs 1st picks in Christenson, Montanez, Brownlie, and Harvey. So other than Mark Prior, the Cubs had 4 busts with their 1st picks out of 5 years. Who'd-a-thunkit, but what could have been IF 3 of 5 versus 1 of 5 those players had panned out?

The farm is fine and all that but when the Cubs put the caliber of players like Sosa and Alou out on the field every day to compliment the young players and also get some good arms on this team, only then will they start to resemble the 2003 squad. That team was poised for the most sustained success and the current Cubs are pretty far away from getting to that point. :popcorn:
 

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Green produced Maddux, Grace, Palmero. It is not even close.

Best development sense the 60's.
 

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Green produced Maddux, Grace, Palmero. It is not even close.

Best development sense the 60's.

You could throw Joe Carter in there and probably Jamie Moyer too.

My point is that the Cubs have had a farm in recent history contrary to popular belief. To net Willis, Garland, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano out of the farm is a pretty lethal 5, with Garland being the worst of them all in reality which is damn good.

The position players are the ones that busted and were 1st round picks. Call it dumb luck, but it can happen to highly touted prospects as history will tell you.
 

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You could throw Joe Carter in there and probably Jamie Moyer too.

My point is that the Cubs have had a farm in recent history contrary to popular belief. To net Willis, Garland, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano out of the farm is a pretty lethal 5, with Garland being the worst of them all in reality which is damn good.

The position players are the ones that busted and were 1st round picks. Call it dumb luck, but it can happen to highly touted prospects as history will tell you.

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