Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[CSF77]

You could throw Joe Carter in there and probably Jamie Moyer too.

My point is that the Cubs have had a farm in recent history contrary to popular belief. To net Willis, Garland, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano out of the farm is a pretty lethal 5, with Garland being the worst of them all in reality which is damn good.

The position players are the ones that busted and were 1st round picks. Call it dumb luck, but it can happen to highly touted prospects as history will tell you.

I agree they produced some talent early into Hendry's stewardship.

Up until 2003 where the went full out to spend on a champ and let the farm go to crap. Then later on the focus was on selling the team.

They put out a few good pitchers but there was no middle of the order bat produced.

2003 draft they had like 5 picks early round and the 2 that came out of that draft was Rich Hill and Randy Wells.

And so on. #3 pick they take Vitters and later round current MLB players can out of it. The scouting was just bad at that time.


They have to do both. That is the bottom line. Jim let the farm go to crap and Theo has let the MLB team go to crap to fix the farm.

Neither are doing both.

 

[chibears55]

They have to do both. That is the bottom line. Jim let the farm go to crap and Theo has let the MLB team go to crap to fix the farm.

Neither are doing both.

I agree to doing both in a way of trying to add long term pieces to the core but in sonewhat of a defense for them I dont believe there were many options available that fit that part and I think their waiting to see who from within fills a spot long term before they add around it..



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[CSF77]

I agree to doing both in a way of trying to add long term pieces to the core but in sonewhat of a defense for them I dont believe there were many options available that fit that part and I think their waiting to see who from within fills a spot long term before they add around it..



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There is always someone every year. Last Year I wanted Liriano. He paid off for the Pirates. Cubs went with Jackson who was a 4-5 starter. They went with Baker who was still not proven to be healthy. They got lucky with Feldman that his cutter was that effective. They got lucky that Wood was able to command his cutter on both sides of the plate.

This year I want Kazmier. Again he fit price wise and he gave something that the team did not have. A power LH arm. They chose to wait on Tanaka where they had little chance of landing him over the Yanks.

They dropped Sori and replaced with a unproven Lake. They have no legit #4 hitter. They just added Schierholtz's platoon partner as a answer.

This team would have been better if they extended A-Ram vs looking to lower payroll. Line up of Dejesus, Castro, A-Ram, Rizzo, Sori, Schierholtz, Castillo, Barney would have been better for run production last year. This year with Baez promoting A-Ram becomes trade bait. Soler would come in next year to fill in Sori's roster spot. Yes they would not have landed Bryant but there were some quality prospects in that draft.

They tanked to reduce overhead. That is fact due to every year payroll has dropped with cheaper replacement back filling.

 

[USArmyRanger]

I would love to have him on my Yanks. We have no problem overpaying

 

[Mr. Cub]

He's ours now for at least one more year or the trade deadline.

 

[dabynsky]

He's ours now for at least one more year or the trade deadline.

The market never really developed for Samardzija it seemed this offseason. The Diamondbacks landing Arroyo seems to take them out of the SP market. Toronto is sitting in the cat bird seat for Jimenez or Satana. Who knows what Seattle is doing. So I think Shark is here until the deadline. But I wouldn't be shocked with any outcome when it came to him at this point.

 

[nwfisch]

The market never really developed for Samardzija it seemed this offseason. The Diamondbacks landing Arroyo seems to take them out of the SP market. Toronto is sitting in the cat bird seat for Jimenez or Satana. Who knows what Seattle is doing. So I think Shark is here until the deadline. But I wouldn't be shocked with any outcome when it came to him at this point.

There's a market for a guy with a 3 ceiling?

 

[dabynsky]

There's a market for a guy with a 3 ceiling?

Apparently it is 175 million over 7 years with an opt out clause after 4 years if you believe the Yankees GM.

 

[eandb17]

I wouldn't be shocked if we trade both Hammel and Samardzija around mid-season if they perform.

 

[nwfisch]

Apparently it is 175 million over 7 years with an opt out clause after 4 years if you believe the Yankees GM.

That's Tanaka and he has a 2 ceiling. Don't be foolish.

 

[SilenceS]

That's Tanaka and he has a 2 ceiling. Don't be foolish.

Cashman just came out and said Tanaka was a solid 3

 

[nwfisch]

Cashman just came out and said Tanaka was a solid 3

Solid 3 =/= ceiling of a 3.

Its called managing expectations so fans don't get kicked in the nuts.

 

[SilenceS]

Solid 3 =/= ceiling of a 3.

Its called managing expectations so fans don't get kicked in the nuts.

Shark still has a ceiling higher then a 3.

 

[DewsSox79]

at these last few posts.

Tanaka (minus the stupid contract) is far far far beyond shark. Are we serious that these 2 are even mentioned in the same fucking breath? Any fan would take tanaka over shark all day unless of course you are a cubs fan and all players and spects are the bestzzz thing in the worldszzz. I cant believe what I just read. wow.

 

[brett05]

Shark still has a ceiling higher then a 3.

And Tanaka has the higher ceiling

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[nwfisch]

Shark still has a ceiling higher then a 3.

I'll respectfully disagree.

 

[DewsSox79]

fuckin-a man. people are stupid.

 

[DewsSox79]

Shark still has a ceiling higher then a 3.

LMAO. no.

 

[nwfisch]

fuckin-a man. people are stupid.

Kool-Aid does that to people.

 

[dabynsky]

Find a post that said that Samardzija was better than Tanaka and you might have a point. However, the point remains quite simple Samardzija has value despite all the people that want to say to the contrary. That value is based on his contract status and his stuff. Has he been inconsistent, and the results not matched the peripherals? Of course, but that doesn't mean that he is worthless either. Hence why a number of teams checked in him this offseason. Cubs rightful asked for a ton given the free agent market place that pays Tim Lincecum more next year than Samardzija will make in the next two.