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Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus
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Oh right I forgot having absolutely no source to back up your opinion is better than having any source. That's truly the path to objective views on things.
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Lol... just stop feeding the troll. He's not worth your time.
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You seriously need to find out what troll means.
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Seriously? Do I?
I mean, you're either a troll just trying to get a rise out of people or you're something considerably more depressing... I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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I provided the truth on Sharks place (avg to slightly below avg) I provided the history Nate on not being a power hitter.
Further I did not use a source trying to sell commercials by fabricating trade interests.
So keep trying to convince someone on your sources. Up until a day ago you were a baseball guy. Now you're just a stereotypical Cub drinker
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Again try being something other than the poster child for blind fanaticism.
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Lovely another thread derailed by posters that have no objectivity
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Funny how "the truth" you provide is contrary to every major media outlet's opinion on Shark. Obviously they all are in love with the cubs too. It's whatever man. I'll just ignore you because it doesn't matter which cub player I talk about they are bad in your eyes. You talk about being objective yet haven't said one positive thing about the cubs... any of them. The truth is your a cubs hater which is fine but don't sit here and try to act like you're some sort of objective source.
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CCS baseball fans in a nutshell - Cubs overvaluing players, while Sox fans take the extreme opposite. Neither side is completely wrong, nor completely right...so we argue in circles. Happy posting!
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I don't really see that many opinions on cubs players being greatly overvalued. Most of the stuff said about Shark has been reported not made up by cubs fans. Perhaps you could make the argument the prospects are being overvalued but who on the major league team is even remotely being overvalued.... cuz I mean arguably the 3 best youngish players on the team(Shark, Rizzo, Castro) all had bad years and I don't see anyone saying they are well beyond what people in the media are also suggesting.
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Shark is a bit of a unique case. He's an up-and-down strike out pitcher...who had a rough year...but is still pretty valuable from a trade standpoint. I'll agree that a lot of what some Cubs fans have said in here is pretty factual -- but the thinking that he's a #1 or #2 starter on a WS-calibur team is far-fetched (not saying you're claiming this to be the case.)
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Yeah... I personally view him more as a #3. As far as the trades go, there's so many teams linked right now that there's literally no way I see the cubs getting a marginal return. And with the dbacks also having interest in Schierholtz, I think they match up too well to not get something done. Only way I see him not going there is if some other team has a better offer on shark and even then I imagine Schierholtz to AZ still might happen.
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If he wasn't coveted by teams, he wouldn't be in the rumor mill at all with sources and scouts saying that he in fact is, unless these guys are all Cubs fans trying to up his value which I highly doubt.
As far as his contributions to a team, sticking him in the middle of Cole, Liriano, Locke and Morton would be a pretty talented bunch that would give the Cardinals and other teams fits as they did last year.
Oh, and throw in Schierholz to platoon with Tabata in a package deal for good measure. With both of their contracts, and not having to pay out on Wandy Rodriguez, this would fit right up Pittsburghs ally IMO.
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I am, have always admitted as much.
And I have said positive things and have rarely if ever called a player on the Cubs just plain Bad/Awful. Keep making stuff up.
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Shark is a 3 until he proves he is a 1 or a 2. IE having a season that translates into 1-2 status. ERA in the 2's. High SO/9. Whip around 1.15. Ace stuff not an ERA in the 4's.
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High 2 ERA is likely a #1 since only 12 pitchers with qualified innings had a sub 3 ERA. A #2 would be some where in the 3-3.5 range but that's more of a general range as there's more that goes into it than just ERA. I'd call a #3 anything in a 3.5-4 range maybe slightly bigger. I agree Shark slots in that 3 range because of the other aspects not to mention his FIP puts him at 3.77 with his xFIP sitting at 3.45. I would add though I don't necessarily agree you have to have a high k/9 but it is a positive. For example, Bartolo Colon sits at 5.53 k/9 and probably sits in the 1/2 range.
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One of the more logical posters since KB and MS rattled the playpen, and he's a white sox fan.
The cubs and the fans overvalue Shark. It happens. Cubs fans arent the only ones who do it.
Cubs fans do overvalue shark, and cfs knocked it on the head--until he proves he's not a #3, he's a #3
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100% truth right there. Take my own overvalue on Chris Sale. I have him as a top five pitcher. I am too blind to be honest.
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Over valuing in what sense? Pitching is weak across the majors and teams hold there power arms next to their tittie. It's not often that teams will trade or not resign a young power pitcher that can show dominance. So, is he overvalued, maybe. But, it's supply and demand. Shark is on the trade block in a weak fa class and besides prices not much else is on the trade block that can dominate. Teams are looking to win now. This is why sharks value is high to the cubs and other teams will entertain and eventually give in to the cubs demands. Price will take a much bigger and better package and also come with a huge price tag to keep him. Shark will come with less of a package and sign for less. It's not like he has peaked. He still has potential and teams will roll the dice on an already stable major league pitcher with big upside. He also comes with less mileage then most pitchers his age. They are looking at him as more of a 25 or 26 year old pitcher then 28/29 year old pitcher. You can scream until you blue in the face but the cubs will get what they want or they won't trAde him. New reports suggest that shark has weakened his stance on a no trade clause. How accurate is that? I don't know but I do know the cubs continue to negotiate with him.