Joakim Noah

[JosMin]

We're 8-2 in spite of Noah's lackluster play. Watson's been hurt, Rip's been hurt. The team is fine. Noah is fine. Nothing to see here.

 

[FirstTimer]

We're 8-2 in spite of Noah's lackluster play. Watson's been hurt, Rip's been hurt. The team is fine. Noah is fine. Nothing to see here.

Uhh no he's not.

 

[JosMin]

Uhh no he's not.

He's playing with less intensity than usual. Intensity isn't a skill, it's an intangible. I think his struggles on the offensive end are what's making it look like his defensive skills are non-existent right now. It's messing with him mentally. I don't think a 10-game sample size is indicative of anything negative. He's in a slump, he'll get out of it.

 

[FirstTimer]

He's playing with less intensity than usual.

Which would indicate he's not "fine".

He'll come around.

And he goes back to being what? One of the most overrated and now overpaid players in the NBA?

This isn't anew development. Last year in the ECF dude was riding the pine pony in crunch time. This isn't out of nowhere.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Which would indicate he's not "fine".



And he goes back to being what? One of the most overrated and now overpaid players in the NBA?

This isn't anew development. Last year in the ECF dude was riding the pine pony in crunch time. This isn't out of nowhere.

Most big men in the NBA are overpaid. How much is Brenden Haywood making? Tyson Chandler? Nene? Noah got paid market value, which is overpaid, but it is what it is. And if we don't pay them that price, they go somewhere else, which might please you, but then we have no frontcourt at all.

 

[JosMin]

Which would indicate he's not "fine".



And he goes back to being what? One of the most overrated and now overpaid players in the NBA?

This isn't anew development. Last year in the ECF dude was riding the pine pony in crunch time. This isn't out of nowhere.

Then call up the Bulls FO and demand that they trade him. What exactly do you think Thibs should do? Bench Noah because he's in a rut? Play Asik 35 minutes a night instead, a guy with even less offensive ability and on his best night, the same defensive ability? Sounds like a great idea.

 

[FirstTimer]

Most big men in the NBA are overpaid. How much is Brenden Haywood making? Tyson Chandler? Nene?

All players I'd rather have than Noah(with exception of Haywood)

Overpaying if they are good=ok. Overpaying if they are bad..not good.

Then call up the Bulls FO and demand that they trade him.

Trust me..I'd lvoe to.

Bench Noah because he's in a rut?

He's kind of been doing that anyways.

Play Asik 35 minutes a night instead

Sure. Why not. Asik sucks too.

 

[MatthewLPowers]

whats with all the hate for Asik? I will agree he is inept on offense, but hes a great defender and rebounder. The reason I would trade Noah is because he has the same skill level and has trade value.

Could Asik make that pass to Deng? Probably not but we would have just thrown another player in that position. The only reason Noah made that pass work was because the Hawks wanted Noah to take that shot. His passing is overrated anyways. He makes way too many turnovers trying to make the great pass and him the post is disgusting. At least Asik isnt calling for the ball like Noah.

Whenever Asik's contract is up he wont be asking for as much money and we can try and pay Taj and get another player who helps us on the offensive end. I thought Pax was high when drafting Noah and I ate my words a bit because of hustle and defensive intensity, but dont fall in love and think he is going to improve. Trade him while his value is high so his $11 million contract isnt sitting on the bench while Asik is playing in crunch time

 

[FirstTimer]

whats with all the hate for Asik?

Because he's bad.

but hes a great defender and rebounder.

No he's not.

He's tall.

Yippie.

He has terrible feet, leaves them far to often for block attempts, he has bad hands, etc. He has size. By a mere function of his size he gets rebounds. That's not really a skill.

 

[JosMin]

Because he's bad.

No he's not.

He's tall.

Yippie.

He has terrible feet, leaves them far to often for block attempts, he has bad hands, etc. He has size. By a mere function of his size he gets rebounds. That's not really a skill.

All you're doing is whining and not offering a solution. Tell us, genius. What should we do? What brilliant, savvy move would you make? Throw us a nugget. I want to feel enlightened.

 

[FirstTimer]

All you're doing is whining and not offering a solution.

I've been wanting to trade Noah for the past two seasons. What other solution is there? I was more than willing to ship his ass off in a Carmelo deal. Hell I'd be more than willing to ship him out for a hell of a lot of players. The problem is he is a limited big man with a bit of an injury history and a growing albatross of a contract. The trade market for Noah is paper thin right now.

He's not going to develop anymore than what we have already seen.

He's having a terrible season this year. He's over paid, overrated, and bad.

There's really no "solution" at this point that nets us anything really worthwhile. That ship has sailed.

Go ahead and keep playing him, doesn't chance the fact that he's overrated as hell.

 

[Rush]

Could it be blamed on the abrupt start of the season?

 

[FirstTimer]

Could it be blamed on the abrupt start of the season?

Noah hasn't really looked "rusty". He's just looked bad. He's an energy/hyper active player. If anything the added time off should have helped him..not hurt him. Maybe the compressed schedule has hurt him a bit..but Noah was playing pretty badly against the Heat in the ECF last year too. This isn't a new development.

 

[JosMin]

.There's really no "solution" at this point that nets us anything really worthwhile. That ship has sailed.

So then quit complaining.

There are probably 25 other teams in the NBA that would kill to have a center with Noah's defensive ability, especially one who's 26. Is he flawed? Sure, but I really can't think of a player in the NBA who isn't. Overpaying a center isn't anything new. Is Tyson Chandler worth $15 million a season? No. Nene? No. ****, is Chris Kaman worth $12.5 million? No.

I have no idea why people are getting negative about an 8-2 start. We've got two injured players and have played several back-to-back stretches. As bad as Noah has looked, I anticipate that he'll come around. If not? So what, he's still a more viable option than a majority of other teams have.

 

[FirstTimer]

So then quit complaining.

I'm not the one that started the thread on the subject of Joakim Noah. I wasn't aware dsicussion of the subject player wasn't allowed if the comments were anything but positive.

STFU.


Someone started a thread about his overrated lame ass and I commented in it.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I need to over some far sweeping solution to the issue of Noah being on the team

There are probably 25 other teams in the NBA that would kill to have a center with Noah's defensive ability

See my comments about him being overrated and overpaid.

Overpaying a center isn't anything new. Is Tyson Chandler worth $15 million a season?

New York also already had two allNBA players on the team already when they made that move.

The Bulls...not so much.

is Chris Kaman worth $12.5 million?

LOL at using the Clippers front office to defend anything. At least Kamen has made an All Star game. Has Noah?

I have no idea why people are getting negative about an 8-2 start.

This is a thread about Noah.

He's sucks.

If you'd like to discuss the 8-2 start please start a different thread.

Thnx.

If not? So what, he's still a more viable option than a majority of other teams have.

Yeah "so what" if Noah doesn't come around and his 60 million dollars is sitting on the bench being untradable and bogging down the payrolls more so we can't get a real basketball player in.

LOL at Bulls fans who like Noah

 

[FirstTimer]

Joakim Noah= Black Birdman.

 

[JosMin]

1. So, let me get this straight -- since the Knicks already had Amar'e and Carmello, it's okay for them to dump $15 million a season on an equally limited center who's pushing 30 and has a far worse history with injuries than Noah? But, since we've got one of the five best players in the NBA, along with the best bench and two other fantastic complimentary pieces of Deng and Boozer, it was stupid for us to commit less money on a guy who still has the potential to improve, all while being nearly four years younger? Sure, makes sense. With that fantastic logic, I'm sure you're well on your way to a front office position with an NBA franchise.

2. Saying that Chris Kaman's contract isn't a viable argument because the Clippers gave it to him completely destroys your argument. The team giving him the money isn't the point -- the fact that the player doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial commitment does. So, in terms of a more "toxic" contract, would you rather be paying Noah $12 million a season, say... over Nene or Chandler? Doubtful. I don't throw Kaman in the argument because his deal is expiring. Obviously, it makes his deal a lot more attractive, hence why he's in New Orleans now.

3. I never once said you need to be positive. If you're going to do your best impersonation of somebody's wife and whine and *****, at least offer a solution to the problem you're discussing. And sifting through your pile of shit argument for a third time, I've yet to see one. I'm all for reading through a proposed solution, even if I don't agree with it. I can still respect somebody's argument and tactfully disagree (You know, kind of like I'm doing right now) So, please Jim Halpert V2.0, please tell me what you'd do with Noah? Should he sit on the bench and play 15 minutes a night? Should we trade him? Waive him? Come on, you seem like a smart guy, surely you've got an answer!

4. Everybody walk the dinosaur.

 

[JosMin]

:doorrofl:

This coming from a guy who said "Quit complaining! I have no idea why people are getting negative about an 8-2 start."

Nothing generates discussion like a tactful disagreement between two intelligent individuals.

That's not a complaint. It's disbelief that we've got the second best record in the NBA, despite all the setbacks teams had to deal with. Even if we aren't playing perfect, we're winning.

 

[FirstTimer]

1. So, let me get this straight -- since the Knicks already had Amar'e and Carmello, it's okay for them to dump $15 million a season on an equally limited center who's pushing 30 and has a far worse history with injuries than Noah?

YES.

Because they can afford to. Both team wise and money wise.

If you already have two All NBA caliber players you have more leeway in dumping money into a "luxury" like Tyson Chandler than you do if you have Keith Bogans as your starting two guard and already have alabatross contracts like Deng and Boozer.

But, since we've got one of the five best players in the NBA

Wrong.

fantastic complimentary pieces of Deng and Boozer

LOL at this.

who still has the potential to improve

He doesn't. And never did.

2. Saying that Chris Kaman's contract isn't a viable argument because the Clippers gave it to him completely destroys your argument.

No it doesn't. The Clippers were stupid. Defending Noah's stupid deal with Kaman's stupid deal kills your logic. Not mine.

Also, Kaman is at least an All Star center.

Noah is jack.

at least offer a solution to the problem you're discussing.

If Noah dies in an "accident' can we void the contract?

Is that a solution?

I've been offering solutions to the Noah issue for years.

Saying Noah is bad doesn't require me to offer a solution. It's a statement of fact. That's the entire problem with the Noah situation to begin with and you've missed the point: There is NO Solution to speak of at this time because Noah is bad and his contract sucks.

The solution was to trade Noah when his value was high and before you gave him $60 million.

The Noah solution ship has left port for the time being. Now we can all bask in how correct I was and how bad Noah is.

Soak it up.

what you'd do with Noah?

Take him to the middle of nowhere and leave him for dead.

Should he sit on the bench and play 15 minutes a night?

I'd enjoy that.

Should we trade him?

LOL. Who the **** wants his shitty ass. Maybe we can get Kurt THomas back?


LOL at you asking me for a solution to the Noah mess. That's not the point. I've been laughing my ass off the past two seasons realizing the Bulls are stuck with his overrated overpaid ass while people constantly go and defend him.

 

[JosMin]

Joakim Noah= Black Birdman.

Birdman's teeth are way better than Joakim Noah's teeth. He's probably blacker, too.