Joe Maddon Coming to Cubs?

[brett05]

As long as Dews and Brett are still posting here, I will definitely go to the Sox board if the Cubs win the WS. Some of you don't like the smack talk, but having a little back and forth banter is fun. Or like berserkfury, put Brett05 on ignore.

I'm not on his ignore. He admitted as much just the other day on here.

 

[CSF77]

Do I think the Cubs are getting a better manager? Yes. But Rick helped save management, improved the organization, and did exactly what was asked of him if not more. Let's not act like the Cubs aren't being complete tools about this with Rick.

Take away all emotion and butt hurt feelings and at the end of the day the answer is Maddon.

It is a business.

 

[brett05]

Take away all emotion and butt hurt feelings and at the end of the day the answer is Maddon.

It is a business.

And they are doing nasty business, no?

 

[chibears55]

Take away all emotion and butt hurt feelings and at the end of the day the answer is Maddon.

It is a business.

Yeah.. I mean if you been eating pork chops all week and filet mignon became available , your not going to pass it up

 

[brett05]

Yeah.. I mean if you been eating pork chops all week and filet mignon became available , your not going to pass it up

It's about the class of addressing Rick first. What they are doing is cooking the pork chop and tossing it in the trash using the filet to scrape the pork chop plate clean.

 

[chibears55]

It's about the class of addressing Rick first. What they are doing is cooking the pork chop and tossing it in the trash using the filet to scrape the pork chop plate clean.

You really think they haven't talked to him yet ?

They can't report what going on with Renteria before they report an agreement between them and maddon..

Renteria still gonna get his money and will land on his feet with another job along with now having manager on his resume in which he did a decent job of with the hand he was dealt. .. no reason to feel sorry for him, im sure there will be another team willing to take a shot at him to manage.. who knows maybe the twins will interview him...

Its not like their replacing him with another inexperience manager.. its joe flippn maddon

 

[JimJohnson]

This is not a Cubs Message board.

So why does it say "Chicago Cubs Forum" at the top?

Like I already told you earlier, the only reason you're upset is because the Cubs are upgrading their manager. Anyone with half a brain knows that to be true.

 

[wklink]

It's a Chicago Message Board. And this is the Cubs section of it. So yes, right now you are posting on a Chicago Cubs message board.

And yes, going to a White Sox board to stir up trouble is classless. It is trolling by definition. It's like kicking an ant hill to see the bugs scatter. I have better things to do with my time than go around and tell other people that the team they cheer for is useless. There is a reason no one like board trolls.

And other have found those boards elsewhere. That is why this place is a ghost town. But it doesn't have to be. There is no reason that Bears Fans come here in droves to talk about that but go somewhere else to talk about baseball. But they don't. There is a reason for that.

And yes, I am talking directly to Dews. He has staff and moderator under his name. He should avoid calling people stupid (even if they are) because he represents this site. Staff and moderator mean he is a direct representative of the site and what he does reflects on this site. I've done his job on sites with 20 thousand registered members. With that many members it is inevitable that I run into individuals that I personally have thought are idiots. But I never called them those names. I'm sure Dews is a great guy and chats about baseball with the best of them. But for guys like me, that normally don't come to the cubs forum here, this was one of the first things I saw.

 

[brett05]

So why does it say "Chicago Cubs Forum" at the top?

Like I already told you earlier, the only reason you're upset is because the Cubs are upgrading their manager. Anyone with half a brain knows that to be true.

And how do you know given you have less?

 

[wklink]

It's about the class of addressing Rick first. What they are doing is cooking the pork chop and tossing it in the trash using the filet to scrape the pork chop plate clean.

Who says they didn't. Just because there is no press release saying they talked to him doesn't mean they didn't talk to him about this.

Rick knew that his tenure here was going to be tenuous at best. Baseball is a business and if the organization thinks that this team can go to the next level easier with a guy like Joe Madden at the helm then they will do that. I'm sure Renteria has been in this business long enough to know that there is no such thing as longevity in just about any position. Just like players can expect to be traded several times in their career Rick knew that a rookie manager was going to be expendable if a proven manager was available. I highly doubt that this entire thing went on so quickly that there was no time to consult with Renteria.

And the Cubs probably would have been fine with him at the helm. But Joe Madden has a consistant record of getting the most out of young baseball teams. He has repeatedly done it with the Rays, a team that had to develop young talent because they couldn't affort to keep or buy talent.

 

[JimJohnson]

And how do you know given you have less?

 

[brett05]

You really think they haven't talked to him yet ?

Based on everything that is out there and what Rick has said himself....Yes.

They can't report what going on with Renteria before they report an agreement between them and maddon..

Yes they can. Happens all the time. That's how a class works. You let a guy go and then start the hunt.

Its not like their replacing him with another inexperience manager.. its joe flippn maddon

And you can still show class thru it.

 

[brett05]

Who says they didn't. Just because there is no press release saying they talked to him doesn't mean they didn't talk to him about this.

Given all the details and Rick's own comments its likely they did not act professionally here. Many reports are even saying the Cubs tampered on the Maddon deal. We'll see on that one.

Rick knew that his tenure here was going to be tenuous at best. Baseball is a business and if the organization thinks that this team can go to the next level easier with a guy like Joe Madden at the helm then they will do that.

Still looking for the example where a man does exactly what their bosses wanted him to do if not more and gets canned for that.

I'm sure Renteria has been in this business long enough to know that there is no such thing as longevity in just about any position.

Unless you do your job.

Just like players can expect to be traded several times in their career Rick knew that a rookie manager was going to be expendable if a proven manager was available.

Show me one example where this has happened.

 

[wklink]

Sure they tampered. The difficulty would be proving it.

And Renteria probably can't say that he knew about it because if he did then there could be links to that tampering.

In baseball doing your job doesn't guarantee you will keep your job. Just ask Wally Pipp. Guy put up all star numbers but was replaced by Lou Gehrig. Renteria was a perfectly serviceable manager. But he isn't Joe Madden and if you get a chance at a guy with a track record like Madden then you jump at it.

The fact is that baseball is a business and Renteria has been in this game to know that just about everyone is expendable. He knew it as a player and as a coach. I'm sure won't be too heartbroken over it, he has plenty of options available to him.

And nothing is official yet.

 

[Parade_Rain]

There is nothing wrong with banter, if there is a basic respect behind the trash talk. I can talk smack with the best of them, have on various occasions but I don't go out of my way trying to make people feel like failures or fools for cheering for their team. That includes Green Bay and St. Louis fans, although it is hard trash talking those guys since neither the Bears nor the Cubs can beat their way out of a wet paper bag.

Fun banter is one thing, being deliberately insultful is another. It is even worse when someone is marked as a representative of the forum. Being a moderator isn't all that great, I have been a mod and administrator on message boards much larger than this one. There have been times I have wanted to just tell someone that they are an effing tool and to get their head out of their arse but to do that casts more of a negative light on the site and why they allow to be moderators than it does on the person that is throwing the insult.

I know this, if I was posting on a board about an event and someone that was officially associated with that board started calling me names or saying that people who like whatever I am posting about is stupid then I wouldn't post there again.

Joe Madden is more than likely coming to the Cubs. This should be big news on this site yet the Cubs message board section is something of a ghost town. Maybe someone should think about that. If a Colts Fan was a moderator and kept insulting Bears fans on the Bears Boards how long do you think it would be before people left en masse for another board. That is the important thing about message boards, there are always other ones out there that can take the traffic if you run your members off.

You should explain how Dews 2 whole posts in this thread have been personal attacks directed at anyone. I haven't seen you post in this forum the entire year, but all of a sudden you've come out to post about a mod pushing the right buttons.

 

[Parade_Rain]

This is not a Cubs Message board. You can find those boards elsewhere.

It is a Cubs forum and people do have expectations. That's why some people have the courtesy to put OT in front of topics that involve other teams. Even the Bears forum has a sub forum for Cutler only threads.

 

[JimJohnson]

Still looking for the example where a man does exactly what their bosses wanted him to do if not more and gets canned for that.

Unless you do your job.

Show me one example where this has happened.

Now you're just being silly. I already gave you an example of a coach in his 1st year with that team exceeding expectations and still being fired. Marty Schotenheimer

 

[Parade_Rain]

This thread is not complete without nwfisch's input.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Now you're just being silly. I already gave you an example of a coach in his 1st year with that team exceeding expectations and still being fired. Marty Schotenheimer

This was a deal where they got a new GM who wanted his own hire.

 

[fatbeard]

Many reports are even saying the Cubs tampered on the Maddon deal. We'll see on that one.

No, not "many". You read one report that was syndicated multiple times and picked up by multiple outlets. That's still one report, cupcake.

And since Maddon opted out of his contract last Friday, it would have to be proven that the Cubs were in contact with him prior to that in order to qualify as tampering. There's zero evidence of that.

Show me one example where this has happened.

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