Joe Maddon Coming to Cubs?

[SilenceS]

It could be the first.

I think if it were it would get even more scrutiny.
They are not creating a lesser position for him to be moved to. That's a demotion.

And the Manny example fails as an analogy as he was never the Cubs to begin with.

Where would Renteria go? Highly doubtful another team would go after him hard as a coach. Like I said, I dont know how much legs it has to it but it has been tossed around.

 

[SilenceS]

Also, people have thrown around Maddon not being the in game coach, but rather a LaRussa type of position. Its alll hear say and 90% is probably BS, but its possibilities.

 

[brett05]

I dont know, I think he did a pretty great job considering it was all prospects or nothing. Friedman and him would have won a Series if they had a Cubs budget.

Maybe...

 

[beckdawg]

Two comments.

1. It's far from a lock
2. The casual fan does not care about a manager.

As for #1, people are basically suggesting he wants a big market team and all of them save for the cubs have already said they aren't interested. The only team who's mentioned talking to him thus far is Minny but then that would basically be a lateral move for Maddon.

As for #2, I agree to an extent but that type of signing would be major news which would be a buzz and if you add in some premium FA's you'll here a lot about the cubs on sportscenter and those types of places that more causal people view. That would sell some tickets.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I also read this from Haugh over the weekend. Girardi did no such thing. The Cubs were not able to talk with Joe before he re-signed with the Yanks.

Best fit? How so? Renteria was hired as the best fit to work with the kids. They are still just that. You want to say Maddon is better with kids, I have no leg to stand on. But Renteria did exactly what was asked and should not be let go for doing so.

Obviously I have no idea what did or didn't happen but there were a lot of Chicago media, some of which I know a little, who swore up and down that Girardi's people had plenty of back channel talks and the terms were clearly defined on what the Cubs would offer. I guess I believe that because it had too much in terms of legs to have not been at least partially based in fact. I agree that Renteria did exactly what he was hired to do and did it pretty well. Isn't i telling though that Renteria, and the other candidates for the job, were not put through the same third degree interviewing that Dale Sveum, Mike Maddux and others went through only two years before? To me it signaled that Renteria was an atmosphere guy, much needed after the intense Sveum clubhouse, and that he was never going to be considered to manage in a championship window unless, of course, he surprised everybody. If this is true he still could have that chance if the Maddon thing falls through but I really don't see it. In my opinion there are only four or five difference maker managers left in the game, Maddon, Girardi, Bochy, Showalter and maybe Francona. You have a chance to get one of those guys you do it. I think Renterai deserves a soft landing, special assistant to the GM or something, but clearly if you have a solid opportunity for improvement you make the change.

 

[brett05]

As for #1, people are basically suggesting he wants a big market team and all of them save for the cubs have already said they aren't interested. The only team who's mentioned talking to him thus far is Minny but then that would basically be a lateral move for Maddon.

As for #2, I agree to an extent but that type of signing would be major news which would be a buzz and if you add in some premium FA's you'll here a lot about the cubs on sportscenter and those types of places that more causal people view. That would sell some tickets.

The FAs based on quality would. That we agree upon.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Where would Renteria go? Highly doubtful another team would go after him hard as a coach. Like I said, I dont know how much legs it has to it but it has been tossed around.

I think he could get another gig in a year or two and for certain someone would bring him on to their staff either managing in the minors or coaching in the majors. As far as him staying on a bench coach you just don't do that. Especially considering the business background of Theo and Jed. That's a management (in the business sense) cardinal sin. It undermines your current and former guy in different ways.

 

[brett05]

Obviously I have no idea what did or didn't happen but there were a lot of Chicago media, some of which I know a little, who swore up and down that Girardi's people had plenty of back channel talks and the terms were clearly defined on what the Cubs would offer. I guess I believe that because it had too much in terms of legs to have not been at least partially based in fact. I agree that Renteria did exactly what he was hired to do and did it pretty well. Isn't i telling though that Renteria, and the other candidates for the job, were not put through the same third degree interviewing that Dale Sveum, Mike Maddux and others went through only two years before? To me it signaled that Renteria was an atmosphere guy, much needed after the intense Sveum clubhouse, and that he was never going to be considered to manage in a championship window unless, of course, he surprised everybody. If this is true he still could have that chance if the Maddon thing falls through but I really don't see it. In my opinion there are only four or five difference maker managers left in the game, Maddon, Girardi, Bochy, Showalter and maybe Francona. You have a chance to get one of those guys you do it. I think Renterai deserves a soft landing, special assistant to the GM or something, but clearly if you have a solid opportunity for improvement you make the change.

I'd add Scoscia and Gardenhire (Recently released) to that list. I'd add Matheny (Sp) as well. Macha too.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'd add Scoscia and Gardenhire (Recently released) to that list. I'd add Matheny (Sp) as well. Macha too.

Gardenhire and Scioscia yes, Matheny though? I don't see it. If you read the Cardinals media guys (before this weekend's tragedy) they've been speculating about launching Matheny and hiring Maddon too. Macha, I'm not sure. I'd probably add Bob Melvin though now that I think about it.

 

[brett05]

Gardenhire and Scioscia yes, Matheny though? I don't see it. If you read the Cardinals media guys (before this weekend's tragedy) they've been speculating about launching Matheny and hiring Maddon too. Macha, I'm not sure. I'd probably add Bob Melvin though now that I think about it.

St. Louis has a high demand. They went from the greatest manager ever to not the greatest manager ever. But yes, I'd put matheny as a difference maker.

 

[brett05]

And Robin Ventura. :lol:

 

[Parade_Rain]

St. Louis has a high demand. They went from the greatest manager ever to not the greatest manager ever. But yes, I'd put matheny as a difference maker.

They also no longer have the greatest hitter of a generation in the middle of their lineup. Players make managers look like geniuses.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm of the belief that a bad manager, even with good players costs you 3-5 wins a year. Despite his World Series performance I'd put Ned Yost in that category. I watched him lose games this year. An average manager, I'd probably put Metheny in this category wins you no go games but doesn't lose any either. A great manager, like the ones I mentioned probably win you 4-6 games a year, sometimes more given circumstance. I'll be kind and say that Renteria is on the low end of the average managers, maybe just inexperienced so I don't know that he cost the Cubs many wins but he sure didn't win any. The Cubs won 73 games, if Maddon had been the guy they might have won 78. On a losing team that means bupkis. Now if you're talking about say an 89 win team and the manager can win you 5 games now you're talking the difference between a wild card and a division. It matters.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Multiple sources are reporting that this thing is a done deal. Friday press conference you reckon?

 

[TL1961]

It does sound like a lock but so did Girardi last year so I agree with you but I think there is a difference. Girardi purposely played the Cubs for leverage but then, oddly, accepted less money to stay in NY. Maddon isn't negotiating money, I think his price is firm, but instead is looking for fit. The Cubs are clearly the best fit for his skills.

If you think Girardi was ever considered a lock, I'm afraid your memory is fuzzy. He was considering the Cubs, but nobody that I can remember ever called him a lock.

 

[brett05]

They also no longer have the greatest hitter of a generation in the middle of their lineup. Players make managers look like geniuses.

Yes. Larussa owes it all to Albert. :lol:

 

[chibears55]

Hearing cubs and maddon are close to a deal. ....

 

[SilenceS]

I seem to believe its also a done deal. The Cubs silence says a lot. Renteria making a statement is odd when the Cubs havent even made one. This is the beginning of the push. I believe this shows they are going hard after pitching and making their push for playoffs.

 

[Bigfoot]

Hearing cubs and maddon are close to a deal. ....

Heard the same thing on CSN down here in florida

 

[Parade_Rain]

Yes. Larussa owes it all to Albert. :lol:

Yeah. Because that's what my post said.