Joe Maddon Coming to Cubs?

[beckdawg]

Hearing its for 4 yrs and 5 mil per with 1 or 2 yr option

Also, , Wondering Besides going after FA to compete in 2015 now, do they / maddon want bryant up on day one now instead of waiting til may

Maddon isn't stupid he knows how the game works after having managed with the Rays. They aren't going to be run much different than the cubs with the exception that the cubs will have the money to retain a Carl Crawford type and can add more pieces in FA.

 

[brett05]

This is just silly. Any person in the manager position knows damn well that it's something that can change any day. How many times did Stienbrenner fire Billy Martin? Now, if they cast Rick out into the street then sure that's kind of cold but all indications have been they intend to offer him a chance to stay within the organization if he chooses. And if not, so what? They gave him his chances and have clearly made him a more valuable person for his next job having experience. If he stays on, chances are he'll end up a bench coach or something along those lines and he'll have the chance to learn behind arguably the best manager in the league.

The silliness is your comment this time around. He did his job. And loses for it. This is nothing like the Yankees who were jokes mostly during the "Martin" era.

 

[brett05]

Hearing its for 4 yrs and 5 mil per with 1 or 2 yr option

Also, , Wondering Besides going after FA to compete in 2015 now, do they / maddon want bryant up on day one now instead of waiting til may

If they are serious about the next phase he breaks with camp. But it's not the first lies management has told

 

[chibears55]

Maddon isn't stupid he knows how the game works after having managed with the Rays. They aren't going to be run much different than the cubs with the exception that the cubs will have the money to retain a Carl Crawford type and can add more pieces in FA.

My only thing with waiting those 3 weeks is i think its useless for a player with bryant potential. .

If he becomes what we and the cubs hope , wouldn't they be looking to extend him anyways by yr 3 or 4. . So what the difference if he has 6 or 7 yrs of control if he good enough to get extended. ..

 

[brett05]

A guy made a funny comment on Twitter, poking a little fun...."First time in history 2 World Series winners will be crowned on the same day. Royals/Giants winner and 2015 Cubs."

Funny stupid but funny

 

[Parade_Rain]

They are treating Rick bad

Could bite them later

I'm sure the decision will bite Sux fans more than it will ever hurt the Cubs organization.

 

[beckdawg]

The silliness is your comment this time around. He did his job. And loses for it. This is nothing like the Yankees who were jokes mostly during the "Martin" era.

You're talking about someone who had a 73-89 record. I'm obviously not blasting him for that but come on man let's be real here he could be fired for just that if ownership were short sighted. LA was talking about the possibility of firing Mattingly after back to back 90 win seasons. If he were naive enough to believe he were more than a bridge to a more prominent manager then he's got no idea how this business works. Maybe if he went on a tear but it's frankly quite clear what the cubs plan was in their pursuit of Girardi. Rick knows how the game works and if he doesn't then he got a pretty quick lesson. He's getting likely several million dollars regardless so let's not make this some sob story for the guy.

You can say he exceeded expectation but I obviously disagree considering I had long said I thought they were a 70-75 win team. Quade won 71 games in his lone full season and I don't remember anyone crying when they fired him and went another direction(95-104 overall .477 win%). Does it suck for Rick personally? Sure but he's far from the first manager to go through this. Let's not act like the cubs are doing something no other team has.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I'm someone who thinks baseball managing is overrated so I like this move but I can't jump for joy about it.

What excites me about it though is that it reassures me of the Cubs desire to win and I hope free agency is good to us!

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Don't feel sorry for Rick Renteria. I don't remember the details of his contract but odds are he made a couple million dollars for a years worth of work. He wouldn't be afraid to replace a fired coach or put a better player in front of another, so him being replaced by someone 99% of baseball people think is better is just the way it works.

 

[beckdawg]

My only thing with waiting those 3 weeks is i think its useless for a player with bryant potential. .

If he becomes what we and the cubs hope , wouldn't they be looking to extend him anyways by yr 3 or 4. . So what the difference if he has 6 or 7 yrs of control if he good enough to get extended. ..

Several million dollars is what it's worth. This is the argument people don't understand. That first contract you negotiate is based on what you can get in arbitration instead. For example, the way they structure contracts is such that any pre-arb years are bought out around the $500k amount though teams will often make this more of an average to make the later years cheaper. Arbitration years scale obviously since it scales as you get farther into it. So, if you end up a super-2 player and especially a good one like you hope Bryant is you're talking $5-10 mil over the life of the 7 years of team control a team has. Several million dollars is an additional player you can add in FA that might get you over the top.

Take a look at the way Mike Trout's recent contract was structured(non-super 2)
2015: $5.25 million
2016: $15.25 million
2017: $19.25 million
2018: $33.25 million
2019: $33.25 million
2020: $33.25 million

2015-2017 would have been arb1-3 for Trout. Notice how it scales compared to 18-20(essentially FA years). If he were a super 2 player 2015 would have been closer to $15 mil. Additionally, 2016 and 17 are likely more expensive given he would earn more in arbitration over 4 years rather than 3. Obviously Trout is your worst case scenario in terms of financial impact. But the point I'm making here is 3 weeks can drastically change the way a contract is structured even if you plan to extend someone.

Additionally, you have to look at this from a value stand point. I don't know whether you buy into the concept of WAR but humor me for a moment. A really good player is worth 5 WAR over the length of a season. So, how many games does Bryant actually change for you in 3 weeks? Maybe 1 tops? Unless he's on a Soriano like tear one player has relatively little impact over individual games or for that matter a dozen games. That's especially true if you're also not amazing defensively.

 

[czman]

I think this is a good sign for Cubs fans if true. I cannot see the Cubs spending this much on a manager per year and then throwing away one or two years.

Hopefully, the Cubs are spenders this season and they bring in a top tier pitcher or two and an OF. They can easily get a high OB LF/CF.

Good news.

 

[brett05]

You're talking about someone who had a 73-89 record. I'm obviously not blasting him for that but come on man let's be real here he could be fired for just that if ownership were short sighted. LA was talking about the possibility of firing Mattingly after back to back 90 win seasons. If he were naive enough to believe he were more than a bridge to a more prominent manager then he's got no idea how this business works. Maybe if he went on a tear but it's frankly quite clear what the cubs plan was in their pursuit of Girardi. Rick knows how the game works and if he doesn't then he got a pretty quick lesson. He's getting likely several million dollars regardless so let's not make this some sob story for the guy.

You can say he exceeded expectation but I obviously disagree considering I had long said I thought they were a 70-75 win team. Quade won 71 games in his lone full season and I don't remember anyone crying when they fired him and went another direction(95-104 overall .477 win%). Does it suck for Rick personally? Sure but he's far from the first manager to go through this. Let's not act like the cubs are doing something no other team has.

He did his job. Period

 

[justaChifan]

Has it been made official yet?
There was always an unofficial rule about not upstaging the WS.
I hope it is.

 

[DewsSox79]

2008 NL Manager of the year

means so much. as much as lesters 1 bad game.


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[DewsSox79]

Best friend is a Sox fan. Last Friday I get a text saying, " Joe Maddon is the best manager in baseball IMO. He can turn anyone into a contender. Would love if the Sox got him but for some reason they like Robin". About 20 min ago, "LOL why would the Cubs dump Renteria? Do they think a manager is going to take them to the next level?"

Idk why Sox fans are so worried about the Cubs. I cheered for the Sox in 2005 because I considered the Astros to be a bigger rival being in the same division. Seems like the whole MSU/UM debate. UM has been down and MSU is always worrying about piling it on the to the UM kids, while UM looks down upon them and worries about OSU

if there was a 3rd and 4th team in this city id be chiming in on them as well due to it being chicago teams.

would i take maddon? sure. is he the best? not so sure. any fan in the south that likes ventura is fucking crazy. rather have the big mouth ozzie back.


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[DewsSox79]

Pinella was the last cubs manager to get them to a playoff game.... Just sayin'. Sure most would take that over what they've had the past several years.

i agree. but im just talking about how the reaction is with maddon being the same as pinella. pinella also had a hell of a team, especially 08


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[JimJohnson]

i agree. but im just talking about how the reaction is with maddon being the same as pinella. pinella also had a hell of a team, especially 08


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They weren't a hell of a team. They were a good team that overachieved (Pinella did an excellent job) during the regular season and came crashing back down to earth in the playoffs.

 

[CSF77]

My only thing with waiting those 3 weeks is i think its useless for a player with bryant potential. .

If he becomes what we and the cubs hope , wouldn't they be looking to extend him anyways by yr 3 or 4. . So what the difference if he has 6 or 7 yrs of control if he good enough to get extended. ..

Boras has his clients prove their worth in F/A. It would be stupid to trade 3 weeks for 1 year...very stupid.

 

[justaChifan]

They were a hell of a team.
Pinella did the best he could but could not manage choking.

 

[CSF77]

They weren't a hell of a team. They were a good team that overachieved (Pinella did an excellent job) during the regular season and came crashing back down to earth in the playoffs.

That team was very good. Lee did one good thing hitting #3 post injury. OBA. Jimmyballgame had 20 HR's. DeRosa had a strong year. Even with Fukudome falling off the table they held it together. A-Ram was solid. Sori was in his good years with the team at that point. They took a week off and went into the LA series cold RH heavy vs 3 RH SP. Philly had a balanced line up and beat LA.

This team has potential to be good but 2008 had proven vets not still in training pants line up going.