Jordan deserves his own Hall of Fame

[Chief Walking Stick]

Back that train up Mr. You said I want to know who all those people are that you miss. I mentioned in my post missing people so I assumed you were directing your comment at me. And believe me I know It's not all about me because most of the time people treat me the way you do like anything I have to say is irrelevant or unimportant and not worth their effort to read it.





Maybe that is why some of the people have gone because they feel like they are viewed as insignificant. I can't speak for anyone else, but I could easily see how some of them could feel that way.

/grabs popcorn

 

[bri]

/grabs popcorn

 

[fat Pat]

i havent been here in a while. ive trolled around from time to time, but ive mainly made my way to reading fifth feather and second city hockey. I still do come around here to catch up with these people from time to time.



that being said, i was one of the original people on this forum, i never posted a ton, but put my ideas in when i thoght i had something relevant to say or something funny. This forum has been kind of dead to me for about 8 months. it seemed to have coincided with me getting a real job, but it kind of lost ist magic at the same time. im not really one to only want what was mine, but i feel alienated and less involved in this place. ive made some good friends on this board, and had some good laughs and learned a lot, but i dont feel very connected anymore.



mayve its time to move on, maybe its time to get more involved and take back what was a place i once felt very much at home.



either way. ill miss you IHN.

 

[Ton]

The other day Bri was afraid to post something in the Seabs/duncs thread. Is it because she was afraid of being ridiculed? Maybe. And to me that ain't kosher. I think whaler hit it on the head.



I want people to not be afraid of posting here. Yeah, we poke fun at each other, maybe say you're Special person or whatever, but quite a few seemingly never got a proper response.

But then what is the solution?



If its about being ridiculed for your opinion, then how does less censorship solve the problem? (then again, I don't really think we've censored anyone, but that's another topic)



Just playing devils advocate obviously. I'm not here to tell people what to do, Trevor and I started this to provide a place for people to talk hockey, and I hope to continue the trend.



As a community its necessary to set the tone for new posters as well, if all the good posters are gone, who is left to tell another how to discuss and how not to? Are more rules needed to put in place or less to solve that? If the guidelines need to be changed in order to reflect what everyone wants, that's fine. Hell, if you came up with an entirely new set yourselves I'd change it as long as everyone likes it -- that's how we ran it back then and that's how we'll continue to run it. I've always asked for suggestions/comments/complaints because I want to know what everyone wants.



I'm just here to make whatever you all want happen, as long as you tell me what it is. I'd love to keep the old posters as well as bring in new posters, but nobody told me they were unhappy with IHN. For anyone that knows me, if you have a suggestion or complaint, all you need to do is send me a simple message and I'll do what I can in order to make it happen.



That's where I'm at right now, I need to know what everyone here wants out of IHN. If it has anything to do with moderating and whatnot, that's fine we can handle the complaints and adjust accordingly... if its about the community -- that's up to everyone else to set a good example for the boards, make them feel welcome and continue to post respectably, I can't really control that. If the original posters aren't here to do that and carry on the torch, so to speak, then yeah this place will probably change.

 

[Variable]

I didn't know Kerfluffle was banned. Why was he banned? I really hope it's not because of what people have been saying in this thread, that "If one person says something that NO ONE in that group agrees with him on, why, then he must be a "troll" and cast out! Or he must be wrong or he must be.." whatever you want to label him. It's not right. And I've seen that said to him before and it's a just bullshit mindset to have. I don't think I've ever agreed with the guy on anything we've discussed between the two of us, but I don't want him banned because I never agreed with the guy. That's like child's play or something. There is an "ignore" option. You can choose to NEVER see his posts again, EVER, by utilizing that basic function. And if he said "**** off" to someone, well, you may as well ban just about EVERYONE here then, because that is basically the general tone of this board the majority of the time. Not complaining about that, just re-stating what many others have already said as well. You can't have it both ways.



As far as moderating goes, don't close threads just because to some people, the topic being discussed, or how it's being discussed, is offensive. Don't. Read. It. Then. Once again, ignore it, or ignore that poster. Whichever is easier. I'm assuming we are all over the age of 18, we're all adults, why run this board like it's a kindergarten in where a discussion that comes up might be a little too offensive or shocking or even if it's getting "heated" for a few people and we all have to close our eyes and put our hands over our ears until Mommy and Daddy change the channel?

 

[mill500]

I don't see eye to eye with everyone but I do respect everyones values and opinions even if they stray far from mine. I think most of us do respect each other. And I think that is the key word for describing this board.





And at the end of the day this is all supposed to be fun. And this is a fun board. That's all I care about. I think everyone should feel like they can come to this board and have fun. If they want pretentious talk then go to the other ones. This one needs to stay unique to itself.

TCD's come pretty close to my feelings.



I really don't have a problem with the mods. I do have a problem with the lack of respect that has evolved on here. My issue isn't whether Kefuffle should or shouldn't have been banned. I don't give a shit one way or another, really.



Dream, you're right about a lot of us are friends on here. I feel very fortunate to have made great friends from our connections on here, as have my kids. We've been to many of your homes, gone on road trips with you, cried together when we won the Cup, then dumped a canned chicken in it at Tbirds. Nothing will ever replace those relationships I've made from here.



What's driven me away is what Evan pointed out. Many of those friends who made this place fun and interesting have just decided they don't need the bullshit anymore for their own reasons, most of which stem from what should have just been a difference of opinion that escalated beyond that and got personal.



Look, there's never going to be complete agreement with all of us whack jobs sitting around a fire singing Kumbaya, and I wouldn't want there to be, nor would any of the rest of us. I like a good argument as well as the next guy. The problem that has evolved is there weren't healthy differences of opinion. If someone didn't agree with someone else, it's become "**** you, you're wrong". Go back thru some of the posts in this thread for examples of that. I may not have agreed with all of Klemmer's more liberal views for example, but I damn sure respected his right to have them.



A lot of the people you guys have listed have just gotten tired of it and left. This place, and those people, have been a big part of my life, and it hurts me to see how they've been driven away. I'd like to see it back to where it was, but I really don't know if we'll be able to get that toothpaste back in the tube or not.

 

[Demon]

I stopped coming on here mostly because a few people here take this shit WAY too seriously. This should be a place to have a conversation about a team we all love, not slam people for voicing their opinion. No person's post should carry any more weight than another's, regardless of how many posts they have on here or how much they spend on their tickets each year.

 

[CLWolf81]

This is all new to me... Honestly, I thought that when people bash each other's intelligence on here, it's always backed up with some sort of good point. And being that we're in Chicago and all, I thought that people would be able to take such hits.



Who knew that people are more sensitive than I thought....



I troll most of the time, sometimes respond. I hardly respond due to the fact someone responded with the same opinion I had, so I don't post as much. However, I've always seen this group as a family. I'll never leave for that simple fact.



All I'll say, people, is remember your roots. Remember where you came from and how you got here. We're here to not only support our team, but also to vent our opinions (note the key word there) at certain topics, which we can not do on the official boards without some sort of banning attached to it. It's that freedom that I'll never forget, and that I'm glad its here.

 

[BigPete]

I still maintain that many posts were deleted recently and even a thread of mine.



This place is like a newstand. You have an option to pickup and read any of 50 magazines on a shelf. Yes you have to occasionally pick one up and read a little to see if you want to buy it. But no one is going to make you take that magazine home and fall in love with it reading it over and over again.



My problem with some posters and the reason I get so heavy handed is because they just don't try to back up what they say. Even if you are "wrong" whatever that means, at least put forth effort in this forum and try to explain your convictions. Otherwise you just sound like an uninformed ignoramous that is trying to stir shit up (ie a TROLL, Jim). That is what Fluffy became to me. I'm glad he is gone. I'll be honest as shit, I think very much like the view points you get from a Bill Maher. I completely hate and disagree with the Glenn Becks of the world and always will. But I always try to back up what I feel. I don't just spew shit or make shit up. There are people that do that and it stiffles the debate.



I also have to agree with many other posters that a big reason the traffic is down here is because the Hawks are not doing well and quite frankly, many of us are just too busy. At times I have taken a break because of certain personalities, but it has more to do with my non-internet life than anything that was or was not said here.



And BRI: I do not ignore you, and I have never put you down on here. Unless you want to quote me doing so, I have to call BS on that one.

 

[TSD]

Don't know if that was directed at me or not. I never said anything about unsavory characters, but I do miss a bunch of people like Soaps, Klemmer, Howcho, Eruns, Getinthere, Larmers, Rdrhwke, Tbird, even Graham and Cid. You don't have to like someone to miss them. For Pete's sake (no pun intended) I even notice when you're on a break and miss you. I am the only one that showed any concern when Stu was missing in action and there are times when I would like nothing better than to pop the snot out of him. But that is just Stu and I accept him as he is. We're like a family and every family has it's share of drama queens, and know it alls, and just plain bad eggs, but at the end of the day you're still a family. I can honestly say I have never complained about anyone. I handle it myself or I just let it go.

Did they actually leave the board for any reason? I wasnt aware they had any problems with anything. Graham is the one exception, and to him I say **** em. If we are talking about nazi style moderating graham took the cake, half the threads we have going on in NHTA right now wouldnt have seen the light of day if he was a mod, because he would remove threads that he held a differing opinion on instead of debating. Then he lost his mod status whined like a ***** and left, so **** him.

 

[sth]

I still maintain that many posts were deleted recently and even a thread of mine.



This place is like a newstand. You have an option to pickup and read any of 50 magazines on a shelf. Yes you have to occasionally pick one up and read a little to see if you want to buy it. But no one is going to make you take that magazine home and fall in love with it reading it over and over again.



My problem with some posters and the reason I get so heavy handed is because they just don't try to back up what they say. Even if you are "wrong" whatever that means, at least put forth effort in this forum and try to explain your convictions. Otherwise you just sound like an uninformed ignoramous that is trying to stir shit up (ie a TROLL, Jim). That is what Fluffy became to me. I'm glad he is gone. I'll be honest as shit, I think very much like the view points you get from a Bill Maher. I completely hate and disagree with the Glenn Becks of the world and always will. But I always try to back up what I feel. I don't just spew shit or make shit up. There are people that do that and it stiffles the debate.



I also have to agree with many other posters that a big reason the traffic is down here is because the Hawks are not doing well and quite frankly, many of us are just too busy. At times I have taken a break because of certain personalities, but it has more to do with my non-internet life than anything that was or was not said here.



And BRI: I do not ignore you, and I have never put you down on here. Unless you want to quote me doing so, I have to call BS on that one.

How do you have the energy to go 20 rounds with everyone? I think you would agree that you have a strong personality Pete. Some people don't want to get in big long arguments on every topic. People just agree to disagree on that stuff sometimes. Other people like to throw down with people on that. But just because some people don't want to argue means that they are out to get you. And its not just you Pete I don't mean to single you out. It is why people like Kerfuffle rubbed some people the wrong way and many others. It can turn people off to the board sometimes.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I still maintain that many posts were deleted recently and even a thread of mine.



This place is like a newstand. You have an option to pickup and read any of 50 magazines on a shelf. Yes you have to occasionally pick one up and read a little to see if you want to buy it. But no one is going to make you take that magazine home and fall in love with it reading it over and over again.



My problem with some posters and the reason I get so heavy handed is because they just don't try to back up what they say. Even if you are "wrong" whatever that means, at least put forth effort in this forum and try to explain your convictions. Otherwise you just sound like an uninformed ignoramous that is trying to stir shit up (ie a TROLL, Jim). That is what Fluffy became to me. I'm glad he is gone. I'll be honest as shit, I think very much like the view points you get from a Bill Maher. I completely hate and disagree with the Glenn Becks of the world and always will. But I always try to back up what I feel. I don't just spew shit or make shit up. There are people that do that and it stiffles the debate.



I also have to agree with many other posters that a big reason the traffic is down here is because the Hawks are not doing well and quite frankly, many of us are just too busy. At times I have taken a break because of certain personalities, but it has more to do with my non-internet life than anything that was or was not said here.



And BRI: I do not ignore you, and I have never put you down on here. Unless you want to quote me doing so, I have to call BS on that one.

Good point... when someone spent the time to explain why he was wrong WITH FACTS he would either ignore the post or change the subject and spew more garbage... that is a troll and he was very effective.



The thing I have noticed and talked to Tony about it the inability to get NEW members. Imagine yourself as someone just signing up for the boards and lurking for a few a days... would this be a place you'd want to spend your time? I know I'm the reason for a few members not posting here and I am as much to blame as anyone. But if this place is going to grow into what Tony envisions (a place bigger than HF) then some changes are going to need to be made.



I still like this place for the simple reason that most of the posters here know what the **** they're talking about and can shed light on issues whether it be in the organization or insider information about the team.

 

[sth]

I don't mean to single anyone out. I just think that strong personalities can cause issues sometimes.

 

[puckjim]

Again, Fluff used to get it from so many directions, I don't blame him for not being able to keep up.



Even if he is trying to stir shit up, I have one retort: So what?



There's an ignore button, or you could just not respond to his shit.



Just because you hear an ass braying in a meadow, doesn't mean you have to bray right back.



I always wondered what would happen if HF50 were to post here.



Would he last? I'd definitely bet the under.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Again, Fluff used to get it from so many directions, I don't blame him for not being able to keep up.



Even if he is trying to stir shit up, I have one retort: So what?



There's an ignore button, or you could just not respond to his shit.



Just because you hear an ass braying in a meadow, doesn't mean you have to bray right back.



I always wondered what would happen if HF50 were to post here.



Would he last? I'd definitely bet the under.

Doing what Fuffle was doing is against the board rules and that's why he was banned. I'm sure he had multiple warnings.

* TROLLS



A troll is a person who enters an established forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate messages. If you’re a newbie and you want to establish yourself as a regular poster, please read the conversations and post relevant questions or posts in response. And you know, it never hurts to introduce yourself when you first join a new forum to let people know you’re new and interested in joining the community. A little friendliness goes a long way.

 

[R K]

Don't know if that was directed at me or not. I never said anything about unsavory characters, but I do miss a bunch of people like Soaps, Klemmer, Howcho, Eruns, Getinthere, Larmers, Rdrhwke, Tbird, even Graham and Cid. You don't have to like someone to miss them. For Pete's sake (no pun intended) I even notice when you're on a break and miss you. I am the only one that showed any concern when Stu was missing in action and there are times when I would like nothing better than to pop the snot out of him. But that is just Stu and I accept him as he is. We're like a family and every family has it's share of drama queens, and know it alls, and just plain bad eggs, but at the end of the day you're still a family. I can honestly say I have never complained about anyone. I handle it myself or I just let it go.

There are specific reasons why some of those people you mentioned don't come here anymore. Things you don't know and wouldn't know unless you specifically asked Tony or one of us and we were willing to break confidentiality and give you the answer. Like I said I am not throwing anyone under the bus but PUCK JIM runs with half the facts and goes with it as usual.



Graham was banned. He was first removed as a moderator and still people had problems with him.



Cid was warned about something he posted (not by me) and decided to leave.



Klem was very similar but has other things in life going on as well.



Everyone of those individuals you mentioned has a reason or other things that effect them and when one ASSumes why they are not here or frequently post then I guess you go on half a bag of facts and run with it.



No one will stay here forever. Things happen, life takes over, people move, ect ect ect..... It's life.



Some people got lost in the three transitions as well. Another factor in all of this.

 

[puckjim]

Doing what Fuffle was doing is against the board rules and that's why he was banned. I'm sure he had multiple warnings.

That definition is so hopelessly vague, it basically gives a moderator unlimited power.



If someone is posting obscene material or calling people names/ being abusive, kick them out.



Otherwise, ignore them.



Eventually, they'll give up.



This is a small site......It doesn't require much monitoring.

 

[R K]

Doing what Fuffle was doing is against the board rules and that's why he was banned. I'm sure he had multiple warnings.

Puck JIm thought it was fun for us running around behind Fluffs posts and deleting LONG TIME MEMBERS POSTS that were telling him to **** off. Because again PUCK JIM doesn't know anything but what he sees on the front end. He was not in the discussions on Fluff, but has formulated an opinion with half truths instead.



Hell you were an ASS when you started Grimson. I think you would agree. You came here with an agenda, made up a bunch of shit, and basically irritated half the board. That said you have changed. You contribute to this board as much as anyone. You have become part of the community. I am proud you changed and became real instead of being fake. Not everyone can do that or really cares to.



Fluff was a decision. Usually when ONE person effects the flow like that you are in a tuff position. Do you warn the LONG TIME USERS who are already part of the community, or do you ban the one causing those disruptions. Jim knows nothign of what it takes to moderate any of these boards. By his posts he assumes its some switch we can turn off.



Well As when you were dick grimson that made the moderators WARN long time members, and guess what when you are a long time member and you get warned you don't like it. You may leave, you may not post as much, there are a lot of things you can do.



Not trying to throw you under the bus Grimson. I really do think you contribute in a great way to this site, but you can agree it was not always like that.

 

[R K]

That definition is so hopelessly vague, it basically gives a moderator unlimited power.



If someone is posting obscene material or calling people names/ being abusive, kick them out.



Otherwise, ignore them.



Eventually, they'll give up.



This is a small site......It doesn't require much monitoring.

Really? What's your current experience.



Do you warn the users telling fluff to **** off, or "trolling" for him, or do you warn Fluff? Once you warn those users do they get pissed because you arent dealing with the reason they are reaching out in that manner?



Again what's your experience Jim? You feel so confident to tell us it's easy, where do you do it? Is there insight from some place you are a mod?





Maybe we should ask Lady Hawk what she thinks about that? You know the one you went out of your way to show everyone what she looked like on her own site? No one else did that?



"personally you would love lady hawk on here"



So she could in turn **** the flow of the message board and ultimately get existing members warned for calling her a scut or some other comment towards her.



You can't have your cake and eat it too man. Can't. You want drama this is not the place for that. And really that's what posters like Lady Hawk and Fluff cause. Drama. Because the good members get pissed off.



Fluff bitched about at least 8 current LONG TIME members for trolling him. Really? what do you do then? It's easy after all, so easy that same scenario has caused us several of those posters that have been mentioned are gone.

 

[R K]

Back that train up Mr. You said I want to know who all those people are that you miss. I mentioned in my post missing people so I assumed you were directing your comment at me. And believe me I know It's not all about me because most of the time people treat me the way you do like anything I have to say is irrelevant or unimportant and not worth their effort to read it.





Maybe that is why some of the people have gone because they feel like they are viewed as insignificant. I can't speak for anyone else, but I could easily see how some of them could feel that way.

I answered your question above. Some have very specific reasons they don't post often. Please don't assume why as others are doing because I can garuntee in some cases that's not the case.



I wanted you to post your thoughts in the Seabrook/Duncan thread the other day. A few of us did. If someone comes back with some bullshit then they do it but no one would have called you an Idiot bri.