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Playing against tougher competition?? He plays top 4 minutes. He played top 4 in the olympics as well. Was that not too competition?? He played 21:11 min per game - 5 seconds less a game than hjarllmarsson. He had 200 more hits than hjarllmarsson. I guess he is losing a step or two Lmao and this past year, he's blocked more shots than he's ever had in his career
And yes...rather injury prone. And how many games has toews missed the last 4 years?</p>
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You're literally like the only person I've read that seems to think this is a good deal. Pittsburgh fans see it by and large how most of us saw Handzus going away, addition by subtraction (of course you probably see that differently as well which shouldn't surprise me given how you see this godawful deal).</p>
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I know a lot of this stuff I'm about to say might be new and scary to you, but things have changed, and we have tools today where we can actually differentiate players from one another and have a much better idea of how good they are in certain situations instead of just throwing absolutely stupid bullshit like "He's just as good defensively as Hjallmarsson is" up against the wall and thinking it'll stick or that it makes sense because he played top 4 minutes like Hammer did and he has more hits, so of course he must be as good! If not better! Right?!? Or because you played beer league hockey and I didn't. Or whatever your asinine reasoning is. Because that comparison isn't fair whatsoever to Orpik, and it gets pretty fucking ugly when you actually start getting into the numbers.</p>
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Like I said, there isn't another d-man in the league that was put out there more against tougher opposition, in tougher spots than Hjallmarsson (and Oduya) was. They were basically 1 and 2 amongst the entire league in the amount of time spent starting in their own defensive zone, against tougher opposition and with lesser quality line mates out there with them. And even in spite of that, his On Ice Corsi (out of d-men who played at least 50 games) was ranked 33rd. Brooks Orpik? Ranked 127th out of 147 players. SF% (shots for percentage), Hammer ranked 22nd, Orpik 112th. Again,this all keeping in mind the circumstances Hjallmarsson is playing in. You should start to get the point.</p>
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So yeah, you can have the bigger, slower guy with all the hits ( and who gets put out of position due to it in combination with his declining speed), I'll take the guy with the skating ability and vast advantage in possession numbers and with a much, much more reasonable contract to boot. All the hits in the world don't mean anything if you cannot affect possession positively for your team with your play. And this is all without going into how the d-men Orpik played with, namely Letang and Niskanen , over the last few years have fared better (as have the Pens in general) when they weren't paired with him.</p>
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It's not even close skill wise. When it comes to their value in respect to their contracts, it's even worse. It's not nearly fair to compare the two, they're just on opposite ends of the spectrum in each other's respective careers/talent. There may have been a time Orpik would have been worth a contract like what he got, but not anymore. Over the last 2 years he's declined pretty badly. And with other d-men got in free agency this offseason, what Washington gave him was a joke, something they'll be regretting within a year or two.</p>
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Playing against tougher competition?? He plays top 4 minutes. He played top 4 in the olympics as well. Was that not too competition?? He played 21:11 min per game - 5 seconds less a game than hjarllmarsson. He had 200 more hits than hjarllmarsson. I guess he is losing a step or two Lmao and this past year, he's blocked more shots than he's ever had in his career
And yes...rather injury prone. And how many games has toews missed the last 4 years?</p>
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You're literally like the only person I've read that seems to think this is a good deal. Pittsburgh fans see it by and large how most of us saw Handzus going away, addition by subtraction (of course you probably see that differently as well which shouldn't surprise me given how you see this godawful deal).</p>
</p>
I know a lot of this stuff I'm about to say might be new and scary to you, but things have changed, and we have tools today where we can actually differentiate players from one another and have a much better idea of how good they are in certain situations instead of just throwing absolutely stupid bullshit like "He's just as good defensively as Hjallmarsson is" up against the wall and thinking it'll stick or that it makes sense because he played top 4 minutes like Hammer did and he has more hits, so of course he must be as good! If not better! Right?!? Or because you played beer league hockey and I didn't. Or whatever your asinine reasoning is. Because that comparison isn't fair whatsoever to Orpik, and it gets pretty fucking ugly when you actually start getting into the numbers.</p>
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Like I said, there isn't another d-man in the league that was put out there more against tougher opposition, in tougher spots than Hjallmarsson (and Oduya) was. They were basically 1 and 2 amongst the entire league in the amount of time spent starting in their own defensive zone, against tougher opposition and with lesser quality line mates out there with them. And even in spite of that, his On Ice Corsi (out of d-men who played at least 50 games) was ranked 33rd. Brooks Orpik? Ranked 127th out of 147 players. SF% (shots for percentage), Hammer ranked 22nd, Orpik 112th. Again,this all keeping in mind the circumstances Hjallmarsson is playing in. You should start to get the point.</p>
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So yeah, you can have the bigger, slower guy with all the hits ( and who gets put out of position due to it in combination with his declining speed), I'll take the guy with the skating ability and vast advantage in possession numbers and with a much, much more reasonable contract to boot. All the hits in the world don't mean anything if you cannot affect possession positively for your team with your play. And this is all without going into how the d-men Orpik played with, namely Letang and Niskanen , over the last few years have fared better (as have the Pens in general) when they weren't paired with him.</p>
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It's not even close skill wise. When it comes to their value in respect to their contracts, it's even worse. It's not nearly fair to compare the two, they're just on opposite ends of the spectrum in each other's respective careers/talent. There may have been a time Orpik would have been worth a contract like what he got, but not anymore. Over the last 2 years he's declined pretty badly. And with other d-men got in free agency this offseason, what Washington gave him was a joke, something they'll be regretting within a year or two.</p>
