Kerry Wood ---> retired

[Tazer4mvp]

wait, what?

My point here is after he did this was expected from him gas pitcher and high k guy. I feel you shot his arm trying to bring that much heat every outing. I don't get why more pitchers don't follow maddux blueprint. Takes more pitches to k a guy then to get him to groundout.

 

[brett05]

Give me an 89 pitch complete game over a 20 k game any day

 

[FirstTimer]

My point here is after he did this was expected from him gas pitcher and high k guy. I feel you shot his arm trying to bring that much heat every outing. I don't get why more pitchers don't follow maddux blueprint. Takes more pitches to k a guy then to get him to groundout.

Uhhh..that's what was expected of him before he even got to the bigs.

The hell are you talking about?

Wood was always a "gas" pitcher and a high k rate guy. Wood was expected to be a high k rate guy before the 20k game....because that's what he always had been in HS and the minors. It's not like he was pitching to contact in the minors or HS, struck out 20 guys randomly once then decided to try and throw everything by people.

The Maddux comparison is stupid for a couple reasons. Firstly, Maddux was striking out nearly 200 batters a season during his peak. Which is a lot. Maddux had pristine control. Wood didn't and never did. That wasn't his thing. Blaming Wood's "gas" habit for injuries is rather dumb. Guys like Randy Johnson, Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez, Sandy Koufax, Roger Clemens etc were all high k rate guys who pitched for a long time as starters.

Kerry Wood was supposed to be Roger Clemens/Randy Johnson/Nolan Ryan mold. Not Greg Maddux. Comparing him to a different style of pitcher and saying one is better than the other is kind of dumb.

 

[DewsSox79]

You have to understand context of a few things.

1. Wood is a really good guy. Does great work in and around Chicago. Loves the city. It's his adopted home.

2. For a fanbase that hasn't had much to cheer about for hundred plus seasons Wood has given them a lot to cheer about.

3. The connection to Prior is made a lot and frankly Prior is seen as a bit of a *****. When Prior was complaining of shoulder soreness and was throwing towels with Rothchild Wood was giving no excuses or interviews and working his ass off.

4. Wood has taken multiple hometown discounts to stay. He's this generations Ron Santo in some ways.

There's a lot that goes into it. I don't see the hero worship I just see the Cubs and the fans respecting the hell out of a pretty damn good baseball player who loved playing for the organization and the city when at times there wasn't much to love


Again. Really incorrect.



1. Incorrect.

2. Small sample sizes? Come on. You're looking at a rate stat for a guy who pitched nearly 1400 innings. GTFO w/ "small sample size"

And a pretty damn good one.

I dont think its fair to compare Santo and Wood. Santo is a HOFr and Wood is not. If you are saying this because the cubs newer generation really hasnt had anyone nice and loyal to cheer for than fine. But numbers as a reliever since they are good, a reliever and a career that he has shouldnt be worshipped in my opinion. He isnt Rivera. I can see the other accolades such as adopted chicago guy, fundraisers, loyalty with discounts etc.

 

[nwfisch]

For as much as Cub fans get crap for hating on the Sox, I've heard every excuse in this thread to devalue Kerry Wood's 20 K game.

Nobody is saying Kerry Wood is god, and the best pitcher ever. For one game, he was the best pitcher in the game. Not to mention he was an above average starter and reliever.

 

[NCChiFan]

I feel bad for the kid... He had something pretty magic for a while...

 

[Tazer4mvp]

Never compared him to maddux. Read what I wrote I said more pitchers should follow maddux blueprint...how long do straight gas pitchers last in the majors not very long. Those guys you listed are the exception to the rule. Woods killed his arm trying to blow everyone away.

 

[DewsSox79]

For as much as Cub fans get crap for hating on the Sox, I've heard every excuse in this thread to devalue Kerry Wood's 20 K game.

Nobody is saying Kerry Wood is god, and the best pitcher ever. For one game, he was the best pitcher in the game. Not to mention he was an above average starter and reliever.

Dont know why people hate on that performance. He was dirty in that game.

 

[FirstTimer]

I dont think its fair to compare Santo and Wood.

You need to take some time away from posting.

You stuff today has been awful. Frankly, the entire paragraph you posted made little to no sense and makes you seem drunk. Only a complete loon(brett, or sunbiz) would think that I was in any way referencing Santo's HOF status as a reason Wood is "this generations" Santo.

No one is trumpeting Wood as a HOF'er or some all time great player. Just that he's a really fucking good dude and a fan favorite.

 

[brett05]

Actually it does.

While you are busy looking up what OPS+ is, do yourself a favor and research pitch f/x as well.

I did look up f/x. the brooks baseball site didn't show movement between plate to mitt unless I missed it.

 

[Tazer4mvp]

Iam not at all trying to devalue that game it was amazing..

 

[DewsSox79]

You need to take some time away from posting.

You stuff today has been awful. Frankly, the entire paragraph you posted made little to no sense and makes you seem drunk. Only a complete loon(brett, or sunbiz) would think that I was in any way referencing Santo's HOF status as a reason Wood is "this generations" Santo.

No one is trumpeting Wood as a HOF'er or some all time great player. Just that he's a really fucking good dude and a fan favorite.

:rofl: this post is awesome! literally laughed out loud. I <3 you!

 

[FirstTimer]

Never compared him to maddux.

Yes you did.

Read what I wrote

It's as dumb now as it ever was.

I said more pitchers should follow maddux blueprint

The entire basis for your "Maddux blueprint" is stupid for reasons I already pointed out.

1. Not every pitcher has the ability to have Maddux pristine control...if it was able to be taught...players would be taught it..and you'd have more guys like Strasburg/Verlander in the majors. Painting corners at 99. You don't see it because Maddux had a rare gift. Let's not forget that Maddux was hitting low 90's early in his career too. So Maddux wasn't always throwing Jamie Moyer junk and winning Cy Young's.

2. Maddux missed a hell of a lot of bats. (Almost 200k's at his peak) and over 3,000k's for his career.

3. I could make the argument that more people need to follow the High K model of Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax etc and I'd be "right" as well. You pitch to your strengths as a player. Trying to make Kerry Wood, or pitchers like him into a "control" pitcher like Maddux would be stupid and counter productive.

how long do straight gas pitchers last in the majors not very long.

Umm.

Wrong.

 

[brett05]

Wood's injuries (in general) was his mechanics, not that he threw heat.

 

[MRubio52]

Never compared him to maddux. Read what I wrote I said more pitchers should follow maddux blueprint...how long do straight gas pitchers last in the majors not very long. Those guys you listed are the exception to the rule. Woods killed his arm trying to blow everyone away.

Wood's violent delivery was the reason he broke down. That slider he threw destroys arms.

As far as straight gas pitchers go...I guarantee you that guys who are classified as "gas" pitchers last longer than soft tossers. You can teach a curve-ball during the developmental stage, you can't teach 96+.

Furthermore, I guarantee you if you picked 10 pitchers that you thought were great at some point in their very young career they were all above league average in k/9 rate.

I would even bet 7/10 of them were top ten in k/9 rate relative to their time period/league. I can't think of anyone who struck out less than the league average and survived from 1900 on.

 

[FirstTimer]

Wood's violent delivery was the reason he broke down. That slider he threw destroys arms.

As far as straight gas pitchers go...I guarantee you that guys who are classified as "gas" pitchers last longer than soft tossers. You can teach a curve-ball during the developmental stage, you can't teach 96+.

Furthermore, I guarantee you if you picked 10 pitchers that you thought were great at some point in their very young career they were all above league average in k/9 rate.

I would even bet 7/10 of them were top ten in k/9 rate relative to their time period/league. I can't think of anyone who struck out less than the league average and survived from 1900 on.

Bill James covered this in his Historical Abstract really well in talking about Mark Fidrych.

 

[daddies3angels]

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[ZDemp34]

Great exit by Wood. A class act. I wish him well in his retirement.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Wood's violent delivery was the reason he broke down. That slider he threw destroys arms.

As far as straight gas pitchers go...I guarantee you that guys who are classified as "gas" pitchers last longer than soft tossers. You can teach a curve-ball during the developmental stage, you can't teach 96+.

Furthermore, I guarantee you if you picked 10 pitchers that you thought were great at some point in their very young career they were all above league average in k/9 rate.

I would even bet 7/10 of them were top ten in k/9 rate relative to their time period/league. I can't think of anyone who struck out less than the league average and survived from 1900 on.

Well.. tech it was the slurve early on in his career..